Joel Osteen, good or bad

[Knotical]

I have watched him in the past and have found his sermons sentimental fluff, with very little actual scriptural reference. He dodges, or sidesteps, the major issues while continuing his candy coated version of the gospel.

 

[reba]

The uploader has not made this video available in your country ... Hey kiwidan

 

[Kathi]

That clip seems to be unusually solid for Osteen, who--as it has been pointed out--has been very theologically weak in the past. My problem with Osteen has been that he teaches doctrines I disagree with, like prosperity gospel (also called the "health and wealth" gospel). He has often sacrificed truth in the name of love, in order to appeal to a larger audience. This clip does make me raise an eyebrow, because it's more theologically truthful than I remember Osteen being. Right or wrong, I still don't trust the man, which may have less to do with him than it does with me. I have a natural distrust of anyone who smiles that much (and that goes for Oprah, as well).

Yes,Oprah is scary.Very new age.

 

[Willie T]

The charismatic movement is very popular right now.They are most known for their accepance of speaking in tongues,divine healing and prophecies as evidence of the Holy Spirit.

I speak in tongues... have for more than 30 years... and God heals through me (though not as much as I would like to allow), and we have prophecies in our church about every two or three weeks (though, I'm pretty sure NOT what you call prophecies.)

 

[DarkWalker]

There are charismatics in my town, but--in my mind--Osteen and his ilk (i.e., Benny Hinn) take the "charisma" to a whole new level. They have (at least in the past) claimed to have healed many, and there have been deaths of conference/seminar/church attendees of Osteen's and Hinn's. The only reason they've never been prosecuted is because a person is responsible for making up their own mind and using sound judgment in determining whether or not to go against medical advice. In my mind, that is why televangelists like Osteen are so dangerous: because of their draw and their false doctrine, they reach more people with that false doctrine, endangering more lives.

 

[Kathi]

I have watched him in the past and have found his sermons sentimental fluff, with very little actual scriptural reference. He dodges, or sidesteps, the major issues while continuing his candy coated version of the gospel.

Yes,fluff is a good word

 

[Willie T]

I love it when people want "Scriptural References" in a sermon, or it can't be a real sermon.

Do you know that the most famous sermon ever preached, (It starts in Matthew 5, and ends in 7), only had reference to a few scriptures (and they were NOT quoted), and that reference was only to change and extend the scriptures to mean more than they were read for in those days?

I wonder who preached THAT sermon?

 

[jasonc]

I love it when people want "Scriptural References" in a sermon, or it can't be a real sermon.

Do you know that the most famous sermon ever preached, (It starts in Matthew 5, and ends in 7), only had reference to a few scriptures (and they were NOT quoted), and that reference was only to change and extend the scriptures to mean more than they were read for in those days?

I wonder who preached THAT sermon?

in part, the tanach does have that in parts of it. ie I have found some of those concepts in the torah and the writings

 

[Willie T]

in part, the tanach does have that in parts of it. ie I have found some of those concepts in the torah and the writings

"Concepts", but NOT referenced material, as some people seem to think is what makes a sermon.

 

[jasonc]

"Concepts", but NOT referenced material, as some people seem to think is what makes a sermon.

now moses was meek upon the face of the whole earth. being into jewish thought much of this stuff that jesus said isn't new but said and expounded upon. even being born again. the concept of that is found in the peshac. isreal was dead and in bondage. the Passover occurs and isreal is revived and set free from her oppressor.

 

[reba]

I love it when people want "Scriptural References" in a sermon, or it can't be a real sermon.

Do you know that the most famous sermon ever preached, (It starts in Matthew 5, and ends in 7), only had reference to a few scriptures (and they were NOT quoted), and that reference was only to change and extend the scriptures to mean more than they were read for in those days?

I wonder who preached THAT sermon?

He is/was the Scripture we are not...

 

[Willie T]

now moses was meek upon the face of the whole earth. being into jewish thought much of this stuff that jesus said isn't new but said and expounded upon. even being born again. the concept of that is found in the peshac. isreal was dead and in bondage. the Passover occurs and isreal is revived and set free from her oppressor.

I'm fairly certain I was addressing people saying a sermon is not valid unless the speaker puts some scripture numbers in it, and this just isn't so. Maybe someone else can go chasing Moses and the Torah with you, but that was not the subject of anything I posted about.

 

[Willie T]

He is/was the Scripture we are not...

At the time He spoke on that mountainside, there were no other scriptures in existance to quote..... except the ones He did not quote.

 

[reba]

Lost me Willie ? He had the OT and used it at times.... Very often Dad did more preaching the gospel by sharing a cup of coffee with some one while talking about fishing...

 

[Willie T]

Lost me Willie ? He had the OT and used it at times.... Very often Dad did more preaching the gospel by sharing a cup of coffee with some one while talking about fishing...

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about.

Did the fact that your father may have spoken for an hour with someone, while never uttering a "quote" from scripture negate his message to that person?

 

[reba]

I knew that is what you were saying ...... Cold written words on a screen can sometimes not read the way they were when they were still in our heads

 

[Willie T]

I knew that is what you were saying ...... Cold written words on a screen can sometimes not read the way they were when they were still in our heads

Sorry, I thought you said that I had lost you.

 

[Willie T]

I think many of you may be missing what I am saying.
You can take just about ANY of Osteen's sermons, and easily find various portions that you would openly admit come directly from one Biblical concept, or another... But some people still claim he is not preaching the word of God because he sometimes does not state a particular book, chapter, or verse as he is relating his message.

 

[Kathi]

I love it when people want "Scriptural References" in a sermon, or it can't be a real sermon.

Do you know that the most famous sermon ever preached, (It starts in Matthew 5, and ends in 7), only had reference to a few scriptures (and they were NOT quoted), and that reference was only to change and extend the scriptures to mean more than they were read for in those days?

I wonder who preached THAT sermon?

That is because it was scripture.I don't take the word of man.Always back an important statement with Scripture.Man's words are nothing.

 

[Willie T]

That is because it was scripture.I don't take the word of man.Always back an important statement with Scripture.Man's words are nothing.

The majority of that sermon was not their scripture, at all. Those words Jesus spoke wouldn't even be written down for decades.... and they did not become "scripture" for hundreds of years later.