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Brother Mike
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I have read several of them.
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Brother Mike
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Angel
Which one have you liked the most so far?
I don't have a favorite but I think it was Battlefield of the Mind where I started my faith confession book in 1998. I realized that it's not just constant prayer, but taking sides with what God already said gives the victory with prayer. Faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing the Word of God, and faith overcomes this world. So back then it made sense why Joyce had these confessions, if you want change, then just reading or hearing it is not enough, you need to change what your also doing putting the Word first. Joyce Meyer's book is what got me started in this. I needed to sow the Word in. Here are some of her confessions.
Here are a few of her confessions I copied:
So I copied the whole list in my book and went over them several times a day for months. I also went over my Eph prayers and Col prayers and the changes were just amazing when you actually meditate on the Word and who you really are in Christ.
I then started hunting other scriptures to meditate and made some rotating list of the Word I kept in front of me. For any ability to help anyone, I had to be full myself.
It was not long after I got a hold of some confessions from Kenneth Copeland and they went into the book. I still have the notebook today, it's really beat up, but it's a remembrance of where I started when I first Got saved.
Mike.
Which one have you liked the most so far?
I don't have a favorite but I think it was Battlefield of the Mind where I started my faith confession book in 1998. I realized that it's not just constant prayer, but taking sides with what God already said gives the victory with prayer. Faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing the Word of God, and faith overcomes this world. So back then it made sense why Joyce had these confessions, if you want change, then just reading or hearing it is not enough, you need to change what your also doing putting the Word first. Joyce Meyer's book is what got me started in this. I needed to sow the Word in. Here are some of her confessions.
Here are a few of her confessions I copied:
So I copied the whole list in my book and went over them several times a day for months. I also went over my Eph prayers and Col prayers and the changes were just amazing when you actually meditate on the Word and who you really are in Christ.
I then started hunting other scriptures to meditate and made some rotating list of the Word I kept in front of me. For any ability to help anyone, I had to be full myself.
It was not long after I got a hold of some confessions from Kenneth Copeland and they went into the book. I still have the notebook today, it's really beat up, but it's a remembrance of where I started when I first Got saved.
Mike.
Angel
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Why is that?
jasoncran
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I am of the impression that she is of the word of faith type. a poster here already likes another. I am a pentacostal and don't deny that god does heal and have the manifestions. just that if Im going to listen to any pentacostal pastor I prefer mr kp yohanlon. he has been beaten and jailed in india for Christ. he has mentioned miracles and doesn't ask for nor teach the wof doctrine. he speaks of the simplicity of the gospel and is believable as it sounds a lot like the stories in the books of acts.
besides like my pastor says one can come to this church or home and get the healing one needs.
besides like my pastor says one can come to this church or home and get the healing one needs.
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Brother Mike
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Jason:
I am not sure what she is. I do know that I stopped trying to keep up with everyone and just focus on where God told me to be. I have concluded that I won't learn it all with my short time on Earth so I have to stay focused in the Church I am at.
I am not sure what she is. I do know that I stopped trying to keep up with everyone and just focus on where God told me to be. I have concluded that I won't learn it all with my short time on Earth so I have to stay focused in the Church I am at.
jasoncran
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I do, I used to be of that stuff. I know when I hear it.
I don't believe that god called us to be saved and not suffer if he so wills. the power of the cross is might but god never said that YOU wouldn't die, nor be poor, nor suffer for his glory nor be sick. meyer and the word of faith types such as Copeland are of that. I know and had a good friend here that listened to Copeland. reba might remember faithtransforms.
I don't believe that god called us to be saved and not suffer if he so wills. the power of the cross is might but god never said that YOU wouldn't die, nor be poor, nor suffer for his glory nor be sick. meyer and the word of faith types such as Copeland are of that. I know and had a good friend here that listened to Copeland. reba might remember faithtransforms.
Luk 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
Some give the widows mite some live off the widows mite
Luk 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.
Some give the widows mite some live off the widows mite
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Brother Mike
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jasoncran
I am not sure what Joyce preaches on the Lords will that we suffer. I am pretty sure she stays upbeat, been so long since I read her books.
WOF:
1) It's never the Will of God we suffer. There is a persecution for the gospel, but in the U.S.A we have it easy. God makes a way out of any persecution. Jesus came to give life abundantly not give us suffer with a little life here or there.
2) we die... but not until the plan of God is complete.
3) God gets zero glory for being sick. He gets glory though being healed. Getting sick is not the issue, it's what you believe. I have found that more is expected and so just believing for healing may take faith and patience where healing came instantly when I first started.
4) God wants us rich to do what? I think there was a whole lot of half information through the years concerning the Prosperity doctrine. Do God's things first, He adds the rest. I have found supply is always there just putting God first. Not saying God is opposed to being wealthy, but there should be no bible doctrine with the sole purpose of getting rich.
So that would be the WOF Doctrine. It's based on Victory being there if we do our part, and lot of emphasis on believing what God said. It takes a far stance from election doctrine, however election doctrine is still embedded in there. They don't see it as such though.
Being led by the Holy Spirit is the number one. So we believe in doctors, and doing what the Lord said do. We leave it up to God how he gets us well. My Brother Copeland had to cancel 3 meetings the first time in 36 years because Brother Copeland could hardly walk.
Mike.
I am not sure what Joyce preaches on the Lords will that we suffer. I am pretty sure she stays upbeat, been so long since I read her books.
WOF:
1) It's never the Will of God we suffer. There is a persecution for the gospel, but in the U.S.A we have it easy. God makes a way out of any persecution. Jesus came to give life abundantly not give us suffer with a little life here or there.
2) we die... but not until the plan of God is complete.
3) God gets zero glory for being sick. He gets glory though being healed. Getting sick is not the issue, it's what you believe. I have found that more is expected and so just believing for healing may take faith and patience where healing came instantly when I first started.
4) God wants us rich to do what? I think there was a whole lot of half information through the years concerning the Prosperity doctrine. Do God's things first, He adds the rest. I have found supply is always there just putting God first. Not saying God is opposed to being wealthy, but there should be no bible doctrine with the sole purpose of getting rich.
So that would be the WOF Doctrine. It's based on Victory being there if we do our part, and lot of emphasis on believing what God said. It takes a far stance from election doctrine, however election doctrine is still embedded in there. They don't see it as such though.
Being led by the Holy Spirit is the number one. So we believe in doctors, and doing what the Lord said do. We leave it up to God how he gets us well. My Brother Copeland had to cancel 3 meetings the first time in 36 years because Brother Copeland could hardly walk.
Mike.
jasoncran
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its never the will of god to suffer.? tell that paul and to the jesus.
both whom were told that they must needs to suffer. jesus even said that it would be the case.
oh victory? really so wealth is relative. the poor hindu in india who has one goat and feeds his family blesses his poor neighbor isn't wealthy.copeland? oh please, yeah that one. im sorry, I know better to listen to him.
I recall a good friend who did have a heart for the wof and did like Copeland also went to the churches that he has and they teach that one ought to try to be wealthy so that one can give more.i know that being wealthy isn't a sin but from I see daily as I do read millionaires homes water and electric meters. tis more likely to be a snare then a blessing that Is why I say stay away from that doctrine. can it be done? yes.
im talking about the fourth or five house that is a beach house and has 5000 sq footage and only has one or two people that live in it.
so god doesn't allow pain and uses it to his glory?
I think you are wrong on that. PAUL, LEARNED TO BE ABOUND IN ALL THINGS.
both whom were told that they must needs to suffer. jesus even said that it would be the case.
oh victory? really so wealth is relative. the poor hindu in india who has one goat and feeds his family blesses his poor neighbor isn't wealthy.copeland? oh please, yeah that one. im sorry, I know better to listen to him.
I recall a good friend who did have a heart for the wof and did like Copeland also went to the churches that he has and they teach that one ought to try to be wealthy so that one can give more.i know that being wealthy isn't a sin but from I see daily as I do read millionaires homes water and electric meters. tis more likely to be a snare then a blessing that Is why I say stay away from that doctrine. can it be done? yes.
im talking about the fourth or five house that is a beach house and has 5000 sq footage and only has one or two people that live in it.
so god doesn't allow pain and uses it to his glory?
I think you are wrong on that. PAUL, LEARNED TO BE ABOUND IN ALL THINGS.
Deborah13
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Ain't that the truth!
Deborah13
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I think God can take all things and turn them around for good. All things.
I think when the Word says rejoice in all things, it does not mean we rejoice Because we are sick or poor. But that in faith we rejoice in the Lord knowing and trusting that He will work things out or use it for good. If we die, what is that but to gain. But that doesn't mean we go around giving in to sickness, poverty, etc.
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Brother Mike
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Jason:
When In Prison I through faithfully scrubbing walls for the Lord was asked if I would like to work in the kitchen. That was a Job that paid 35.00 a month when all the others just paid 10.00. You just did not get a kitchen Job without at least 5 years in and knew someone. I got it my first 5 days scrubbing walls because the Kitchen person noticed I was the only one working as the rest were just sitting and talking.
In the kitchen was all the free food, and coffee. It was a blessing but the kitchen was controlled by a white supremest group who were also devil worshipers for a good general term. Nobody back there liked me there, People thought I must be a nark or something to even get the Job. I was the only Christian back there. I met their leader, someone in for Murder and facing federal charges after his state release. He use to work for Billy Graham back in the 70's and I was impressed because He would have me open a bible and He could quote whole chapters word for word. He said He hates the Lord now and I need to leave the kitchen. I figured that I needed to get Jesus to these guys, it's what we do, right?
So, I just shared Jesus while working with these guys, and it was not going very well. They were a violent bunch and getting shoved, slapped, my things taken were pretty normal. They kept telling me I need to leave the Kitchen or else. I also needed to stop talking about Jesus.
One day I was making burgers and had my big cup of coffee nearby which I took a big gulp of. It felt like someone had just ripped my mouth and windpipe out it was full of window cleaner and bleach. To late, I already had taken a big gulp of it. I could not even hardly breath and it felt like my insides were about to come out. All I could say is forgive them Father and I thank you that you said if I drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm me. I had a hard time whispering that out but I got it out. I did not panic, was not concerned, the Word is the Word. After that I could breath a bit better the burning was immense but I just thanked God that I was OK.
It was about 5 minutes and I could breath normally, no more burning but all I could smell and taste was bleach and window cleaner. I just went back to work and said nothing. I tasted bleach all that night but the next morning I was fine.
That next day I went to work and all 7 of those White Supremest had been removed from the kitchen for various reasons. The Leader was taken early by the feds, 2 others got in a fight at their dorm and put in segregation. Not sure about the others but they had been removed. I could now share Jesus with no more issues.
4 months later. The youngest blond head kid that was in the group walked into chow hall. He saw me and walked over. I had not seen him since the day He left the kitchen. He asked me if He could sit with me and I said sure. He went to tell me about that day with the bleach and how they all watched and waited for me to drop. He said he heard me ask God to forgive them, and heard me say that no deadly thing shall harm me. He said when I just started to work again and did not say anything it scared him and some of the others. He then told me that week he went to church and gave his life to Jesus in tears and asked me to forgive him. I said forgiven brother. He said thank you as he asked the Lord to be able to see me and talk to me again. He got up and left. I never seen him again.
So yes, Paul did go through a lot of things "Preaching the Word" Getting cancer, in a car crash, sitting home and twisting your ankle watching TV is not for the Gospel, or anything else getting the Word out related. We don't suffer for Jesus, that is Not his will. Go to Iraq and preach there, but you better be called to do it, and you better have faith or it won't last long.
So weapons can be formed against us. You come to late to tell me they can prosper though, or that It's the Lords will we suffer. If your doing what your called to do, there is far less trouble and suffering. Obeying God is a blessings. If called to preach in a dangerous place there will be grace and protection. Just like Paul, you will walk away every time and Just like Paul when your done with the plan of God then you decided when it's time to go Home. Not the devil.
Mike.
When In Prison I through faithfully scrubbing walls for the Lord was asked if I would like to work in the kitchen. That was a Job that paid 35.00 a month when all the others just paid 10.00. You just did not get a kitchen Job without at least 5 years in and knew someone. I got it my first 5 days scrubbing walls because the Kitchen person noticed I was the only one working as the rest were just sitting and talking.
In the kitchen was all the free food, and coffee. It was a blessing but the kitchen was controlled by a white supremest group who were also devil worshipers for a good general term. Nobody back there liked me there, People thought I must be a nark or something to even get the Job. I was the only Christian back there. I met their leader, someone in for Murder and facing federal charges after his state release. He use to work for Billy Graham back in the 70's and I was impressed because He would have me open a bible and He could quote whole chapters word for word. He said He hates the Lord now and I need to leave the kitchen. I figured that I needed to get Jesus to these guys, it's what we do, right?
So, I just shared Jesus while working with these guys, and it was not going very well. They were a violent bunch and getting shoved, slapped, my things taken were pretty normal. They kept telling me I need to leave the Kitchen or else. I also needed to stop talking about Jesus.
One day I was making burgers and had my big cup of coffee nearby which I took a big gulp of. It felt like someone had just ripped my mouth and windpipe out it was full of window cleaner and bleach. To late, I already had taken a big gulp of it. I could not even hardly breath and it felt like my insides were about to come out. All I could say is forgive them Father and I thank you that you said if I drink any deadly thing, it shall not harm me. I had a hard time whispering that out but I got it out. I did not panic, was not concerned, the Word is the Word. After that I could breath a bit better the burning was immense but I just thanked God that I was OK.
It was about 5 minutes and I could breath normally, no more burning but all I could smell and taste was bleach and window cleaner. I just went back to work and said nothing. I tasted bleach all that night but the next morning I was fine.
That next day I went to work and all 7 of those White Supremest had been removed from the kitchen for various reasons. The Leader was taken early by the feds, 2 others got in a fight at their dorm and put in segregation. Not sure about the others but they had been removed. I could now share Jesus with no more issues.
4 months later. The youngest blond head kid that was in the group walked into chow hall. He saw me and walked over. I had not seen him since the day He left the kitchen. He asked me if He could sit with me and I said sure. He went to tell me about that day with the bleach and how they all watched and waited for me to drop. He said he heard me ask God to forgive them, and heard me say that no deadly thing shall harm me. He said when I just started to work again and did not say anything it scared him and some of the others. He then told me that week he went to church and gave his life to Jesus in tears and asked me to forgive him. I said forgiven brother. He said thank you as he asked the Lord to be able to see me and talk to me again. He got up and left. I never seen him again.
So yes, Paul did go through a lot of things "Preaching the Word" Getting cancer, in a car crash, sitting home and twisting your ankle watching TV is not for the Gospel, or anything else getting the Word out related. We don't suffer for Jesus, that is Not his will. Go to Iraq and preach there, but you better be called to do it, and you better have faith or it won't last long.
So weapons can be formed against us. You come to late to tell me they can prosper though, or that It's the Lords will we suffer. If your doing what your called to do, there is far less trouble and suffering. Obeying God is a blessings. If called to preach in a dangerous place there will be grace and protection. Just like Paul, you will walk away every time and Just like Paul when your done with the plan of God then you decided when it's time to go Home. Not the devil.
Mike.
jasoncran
Member
paul when he wrote the letters called himself a prisoner unto the lord and when he wrote galatians and many of these letters he was in a form of house arrest.hardly what some today would call blessed , yet he seemed to find ways to learn to praise god.
my point is that there are those that are disabled and have lost limbs, speech and also are deformed and yet function and serve god in whatever capacity they can. one man in particular cried out to god to be healed of his scars of being burned from head to to toe and yet God said no. he finally stop asking and went and Now uses that disformity to reach those like him and others that are disabled.
so god cant use him to win souls?
jasoncran
Member
I have been to Afghanistan and well I know that I shall never be able to enjoy fireworks. I cant be near that loud noise. I tried. I was raised by parents who failed to teach me some things and what they failed to do god did. I am not saying that god doesn't bless us but in the American culture in order to make it in the 5% you will sell your soul to the devil.
has your job in retail asked you to lie and cheat to make money? I am mechanic by trade and no longer in it. where I worked a certain mechanic and the whole store would go along.(save me in ignorance then) that would sell parts that weren't needed. its common to do this in the street. I refuse. if its bad or worn to needing it or must be removed to get to another part then yes, but not just make extra money via deceit. if you are honest and god fearing it will be hard but you will be fired and so forth but god will repay and bless.
don't think that you wont suffer now for him and be blessed later. if you choose the right path you will encounter the enemy.
has your job in retail asked you to lie and cheat to make money? I am mechanic by trade and no longer in it. where I worked a certain mechanic and the whole store would go along.(save me in ignorance then) that would sell parts that weren't needed. its common to do this in the street. I refuse. if its bad or worn to needing it or must be removed to get to another part then yes, but not just make extra money via deceit. if you are honest and god fearing it will be hard but you will be fired and so forth but god will repay and bless.
don't think that you wont suffer now for him and be blessed later. if you choose the right path you will encounter the enemy.