dirtfarmer here There are some that say that Judas was saved and then, when he betrayed Jesus, lost his salvation. It is my understanding from scripture that Judas Iscariot was never saved. John 6:70-71 states: " Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil" The reason "a" is a different color is because it is not in the original. Devil is translated from the greek "diabolis" devil, the major personified spirit of evil, the foe of God. v 71 " He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve." Judas Iscariot was the "son of perdition", according to scripture and in Acts 1:25 it is stated; "Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place". His own place has the meaning of, the place which was his particular place only. Do this verses give any reason to believe that Judas Iscariot was ever saved? In John 17:12 this is what Jesus said about Judas. " While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me have I kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition: that the scripture might be fulfilled." The play on words between the first "kept"; I preserved them, and the second "kept" ; I guarded them. The first is salvation but the second has nothing to do with salvation, but kept them alive, guarded them. 2 Thessalonians 2:3, " Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition." From these scripture can was can we say that Judas Iscariot will be the counterfeit that Satan will present to the world as savior during the tribulation and sit in the temple and saying that he is God?