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  1. godsquadgeek

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    I did find an article that attacked both, and was very misleading:

    https://www.vox.com/identities/2017...dy-white-christians-discrimination-blind-spot

    and books written on this subject:


    http://www.simonandschuster.com/boo...hristian-America/Robert-P-Jones/9781501122293

    and while I could not find both groups in one image right now, I did find this one:

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    and ones on christianity:

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  2. Allen Wynne

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    Thank you for your effort.
    But it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.
    You sound like if Americans are not majority white or Christians are not majority white, then there is something wrong with that.
    But your quest to prove prejudice against white Christians is somewhat suspect.
     
  3. Allen Wynne

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    Why do you listen to the media and constantly quote what they say if you don't believe a word of it?
     
  4. godsquadgeek

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    I do have a chip on my shoulder I see Christians persecuted worldwide just for their religion, which ought not to happen. Unless you think it should, then present your case.
     
  5. godsquadgeek

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    Main stream media is not the real media.
     
  6. Allen Wynne

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    Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.
    This is a message to the church, unless we feel they do not apply for some reason.
     
  7. Allen Wynne

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    So can I safely assume every time you quote the media, you are quoting the real media?
     
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    what other media is there locally?
    I don't read the local paper much. there are local online prints but those too are corporate media. the one I do read is ran and owned by a moderate. I respect him as I know his family . but again he is hardly a trump supporter.
     
  9. godsquadgeek

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    well I can assure you it's better than the fake media, lets just say that much.
     
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    so you would rather have christians killed, than simply check no on the voter ballot? What I mean is that many times christian persecutions are preventable. The bible says to seek righteousness, not to sin. When legislation causes sin, or unrighteousness, we actively resist that legislation. Unless you feel that sin is okay to politely coexist with as long as we are not called the naughty word of activist.
     
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  11. Allen Wynne

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    You asked for a verse and I gave you one.
    Then you throw it back in my face.
    Why did you not address the verse rather than changing the subject and addressing me personally?

    Now it's my turn.
    I ask you for a verse.
    Where in the Bible does it say that we should actively protest the government because we don't like their policies?
     
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    Let me ask you a question, where does it not? Where doesn't the bible state we should protest evil? Be it in any form, judicial or otherwise?
     
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    You're impossible.
    You can't back up what you say.
    Go talk to the walls, they'll listen to you.
     
  14. godsquadgeek

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    I have answered every one of your questions, but just because you don't like the answer does not mean that I did not give a logical response to each of your concerns. Do you disagree that we should protest judicial evil? Then present your case by all means? Or I guess we are done here.
     
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  15. Allen Wynne

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    Protest judicial evil?
    Scripture please!
    And don't give me any of this God bless America stuff, who voted in the constitution to allow slavery.
     
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    Answer:
    It is my contention that it is the duty and responsibility of every Christian to vote and to vote for leaders who promote Christian principles. God is most certainly in control, but that does not mean we should do nothing to further His will. We are commanded to pray for our leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-4). In terms of politics and leadership, there is evidence in Scripture that God has been displeased with our choices of leadership at times (Hosea 8:4). The evidence of sin’s grip on this world is everywhere. Much of the suffering on earth is because of godless leadership (Proverbs 28:12). Scripture gives Christians instructions to obey legitimate authority unless it contradicts the Lord’s commands (Acts 5:27-29; Romans 13:1-7). As born-again believers, we ought to strive to choose leaders who will be themselves led by our Creator (1 Samuel 12:13-25). Candidates or proposals that violate the Bible’s commands for life, family, marriage, or faith should never be supported (Proverbs 14:34). Christians should vote as led through prayer and study of both God’s Word and the realities of the choices on the ballot.

    Christians in many countries in this world are oppressed and persecuted. They suffer under governments they are powerless to change and governments that hate their faith and silence their voices. These believers preach the gospel of Jesus Christ at risk of their own lives. In the U.S.A., Christians have been blessed with the right to speak about and choose their leaders without fearing for themselves or their families. In the U.S.A., in recent elections, about 2 of every 5 of self-professed Christians took that right for granted and did not vote. About 1 in 5 self-professed, eligible Christians are not even registered to vote.

    In our day and age, there are many who want to drive the name and message of Christ completely out of the public arena. Voting is an opportunity to promote, protect, and preserve godly government. Passing up that opportunity means letting those who would denigrate the name of Christ have their way in our lives. The leaders we elect—or do nothing to remove—have great influence on our freedoms. They can choose to protect our first amendment right to religious freedom and the right to spread the gospel, or they can restrict those rights. They can lead our nation toward righteousness or toward moral disaster. As Christians, we should stand up and follow our command to fulfill our civic duties (Matthew 22:21).

    Recommended Resource: Politics - According to the Bible: A Comprehensive Resource for Understanding Modern Political Issues in Light of Scripture by Wayne Grudem

    above section from : https://www.gotquestions.org/Christians-vote.html
     
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  18. Allen Wynne

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    Come now, is this all you got?
    Praying for our leaders and getting involved in politics are not one and the same.
    That's the New Testament.
    Otherwise, your verses are Old Testament where God had a nation of his chosen people in place.
    None of those Old Testament verses apply to Christian involvement with the government.
    And your Matthew verse is also misused.
    According to your guidelines, we can do a lot that is not Christian as long as we say God bless America.

    A good old fashioned Bible study would do you well.
     
  19. Allen Wynne

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    Is this the same source you are talking about?
    The one that you say is reputable?

    https://www.pastemagazine.com/artic...ecline-of-vox-how-a-once-promising-media.html
     
  20. godsquadgeek

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    So you toss out old testament, what about ten commandments? You ignore to follow those basics too? What about "be fruitful and multiply" you ignore those too? Only portions of the parts of Moses law and levitical law are done away with. But even then you can still respect what was said, by no means are we to only use new testaments, the whole bible was profitable for doctrine, other than portions listed. Many of my verses I quoted proving our involvement were in the new testament but you convenient overlook those. I suppose properly researching is beyond you.
     
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