judgement seat of Christ

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  1. ezra

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    2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
    1st Corinthians 3
    9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

    10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

    11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

    12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

    13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

    14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

    15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [not sure why the font size is so large ] this is the bema judgment seat where our works we done will be judged by fire the wood hay stubble is things done of our self. Gold silver precious stone the things that are of God.. there are rewards/ crowns that will be given
    then there is the white throne judgement. if anyone appears at this you are at the point of no return
    Revelation 20 :
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    there is judgment of the nations Matthew 25:31 -46
    i am not very good at making post like this. but clearly in scriptures Christians will be judged for there works give a account of the good and bad . ( note this is not a salvation judgement ) feel free to add on or ignore lol
     
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    Do you think the Book of Life spoken of in Revelation 20, is that same book that is said to be opened before the white throne of judgment, wherein the deeds , good and bad, are listed as to pertaining to the saved in Christ?
    While the Bema seat is where those in death and Hades are judged are the same one's who's names are not in the Book of Life, Rev. 20, .
     
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    no the bema seat is the judgement of works ..the white throne judgment is for the lost rev 20

    spiritual crowns The Imperishable Crown The Crown of Rejoicing – The Crown of Righteousness The Crown of Glory The Crown of Life we get them and then cast them at the feet of jesus REV 4: 10-11
     
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    I see. I got my thrones mixed up.
    The Bema seat then is where true Christians will have their life in review as they carried the name of Christ with them and bore the holy ghost within?
    While the Great White Throne is where the non-Christians and the fake ones who were not actually known to the Lord , will be judged?
     
  5. Eugene

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    Hi Brother ezra. I'll just leave the following thoughts concerning my thinking on the Judgment Seat of Christ.

    1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Where do we read of the Church being judged at this very time? Revelation Chapters Two & Three?

    Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
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    If we look close......they are both judgement thrones of works/deeds.......Sin is paid for ALL.

    The believer's works are judged for reward.

    The unbelievers works/deeds are judged for judgement and the degree(more or less bearable) of punishment.
     
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    i dont do timelines imo some of our works are tried on earth not as a judgement seat .but will it hold up.. i have had a couple churches that was trying to grow . them the Golden calf committee moved in..killed it..so even though i gave it my best shot i watched that work go up in smoke.. our real works Gold silver precious stone have survived the fire.. many things i still ponder. much like the 2nd coming of Christ all i know is be ready at all moments..but are we?
     
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    degree punishment for sin there is a heavy subject has merit... but any separation from God . is not going to be a cake walk . when one hears depart from me and is cast into the lake of fire no matter the sin no matter how lost still fire
     
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    It is not punishment for sin. Jesus Christ died for all sin.

    He did not die for evil/self righteousness...........human good. Unbelievers are judged according to their deeds/self righteousness.

    Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
    And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

    Matt 7~~22“Many will say to Me on that day(judgement day), ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
     
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    if your LOST your in Sin lawlessness / iniquity is SIN Jesus paid the price .but if one dies lost that debt was never paid . .the way of a transgressor is hard. only two types of people Lost or Saved . the debt can not be paid unless one is born again john 3:3
     
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    1 John 2:2~~New American Standard Bible
    and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

    Jesus Christ said," You who practice lawlessness." Not sin lawlessness. Lawlessness is practicing from our flesh..........that is sin or our own good. And look at Matt 7 :22-23. Jesus Christ is not saying you SINNERS. They are pleading their case with their OWN good deeds. And He says," I never knew you."
     
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    Hi again ezra, I just add a bit more to my first post and that is that the entire Church divided into seven parts as concerning their spiritual walk is being rated as it were in Revelation Chapters Two & Three. Five different ones are told to repent, and only two: Philadelphia & Smyrna are commended and said to have crowns.

    2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

    For instance, the church at Thyatira is told to repent or suffer the consequences in Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
    Where do we see the fruition of this being carried out?
    Rev 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
    Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
     
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    so in essence your saying everybody has sin paid for which the price was paid at Calvary yes . for those saved for the lost they are still in sin
     
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    once again scripture is there but the exact point and time. . paul said there was a crown of righteousness awaiting .. so do we get the rewards/ judged at what point ...the timeline is not important to me ..the judgement is.
    might i add 1 Pet 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? a very sober scripture of warning
     
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    Amen brother. As I see it, the key to this is that we're judged while in these bodies. The time is come to me means at that very time of their spiritual walk. As to our spiritual walk we qualify as being associated with one of the seven parts of the Church described in Revelation Chapters Two & Three.

    Especially noticeable to me as a warning is that to Ephesus in Rev 2:5. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
    Now just what would a candlestick being removed from its original setting be? Rev 1:20 . . . the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

    Last for the time being is a type shown in the Old Testament concerning the Breastplate of Judgment.
    God’s judgment has been shown as we see the tribes by birth placed on Aaron’s shoulders in Ex 28:8-10, and then the order on the Breastplate of Judgment according to Ex 28:29.
    Judgment doesn't always have to do with annihilation or chastisement; it can be as simple as obtaining God's best. God judges the churches in much the same manner in Revelation Chapters 2 and 3. Jesus finds fault with some and commends others. On the Breastplate of Judgment we see the ones judged to obtain that more prominent place.

    I believe our reward in heaven will be according to our present walk with the Lord also.
    2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

    Blessings in Christ Jesus. :)
     
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    Ezra,
    This is great preaching/teaching. So few know from whence their rewards and their condemnations will come. People, intelligent people, ones with so much greater education that the Eighth Grade know,almost, nothing of the Bema Seat Judgment and that every Christ Follower will stand there to receive the Crown of Life and others they have earned for their service.

    Great teaching again, so few appear to have ever picked this up and internalized it.

    In the Ancient Grecian Culture when events such as the Olympics took place the winers came before the Master of the event, seated at The Bema Seat, the seat of awards and Christianity, growing up from the Greek speaking world, hung onto the term and use it for the Judgment Seat of the Christ.

    I am sorry sorry but your remarks are teaching Universalism and that has naught to do with Christianity. You see, giving of any gift requires one's hands on the gift and another's hand stretched out to receive the gift. The Lost Man is lost because he or she has refused the Gift of Life. They remain lifeless.

    Scripturally solid!

    Eugene,
    You are such a fount of the truth. Thank you and I praise God for the work He has wrought in you.
     
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    Even though all sin is paid for. Many will end up in the LoF. And they are judged according to their deeds/works/ergon. Because they never accepted the free gift and had their name erased from the book of life(at physical death.)

    .Rev 20~~ 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    So it would not be Universalism. Universalism teaches that all will be saved. And I reject that.[/QUOTE]
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    It is not "many" but "all" will appear before the judgment seat of Christ, II Cor.5:10.

    To be deep in scripture is to cease being Catholic, protestant, Jew and Calvinist
     
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    And I ditto billyblake on this. The structure of your other post did not include this information, causing it to appear to be a Universaesslism post. Handling the Gospel of the Messiah is an awesome responsibility and must always be handled with caution and forethought.

    May God bless.
     
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    2 Cor 5:10 is the Bema seat of Christ. Only believers will be there. "All" believers will appear before the judgement seat(Bema seat) of Christ.

    "all" unbelievers will be Judged at the Great white throne judgement.
    Rev 20~~ 11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    So, No. Not "all" will appear before the judgement seat of Christ. Unbelievers appear before the Great white throne........ As Bill says,"Handling the Gospel of the Messiah is an awesome responsibility and must always be handled with caution and forethought."
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