judgement seat of Christ

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  1. ezra

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    this is truth those truly saved WILL NOT be judged with the lost..they are separate
     
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    I will possibly not get this spot on. Theology is really a long term process.

    1. Gentile / pagan
    Ephesians 2:11 KJV
    Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    2. Jewish had covenants of promise (which they broke)

    3. Jewish people who grieved over their sins.
    Ezekiel 9:4 KJV
    And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    4 One new man.
    Ephesians 2:13 KJV
    But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    At the judgement we have to be able to identify who is standing where.

    At the judgement we have to identify salvation.

    Acts 4:11 KJV
    This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
    12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
    13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

    Mississippi redneck
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    But JLB,
    He is using his Passages in context to clearly teach what scripture teaches and you are tearing, ripping scripture from their context to prove what you think.
     
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    Bill, the context of this thread is the Judgement seat of Christ.


    The passage of scripture I presented is about the Judgement seat of Christ.


    I agree that the "unsaved" sinners are not in this Judgement.

    Here the Lord Jesus Himself, teaches His disciples privately about the Day when He will return, and Judge His people.

    This truth is unmistakable and undeniable:

    31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:31-34


    Jesus also goes on to teach us that some that are gathered before His throne at this Judgement, will not inherit the kingdom of God, but frighteningly enough, they will be sentenced to the everlasting fires of hell.

    “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


    Pretty much everyone in this thread, has stated that the Judgement seat of Christ, is not for the world, but for His people.

    I agree.


    What I can't agree with, Bill, is that this Judgement has nothing to do with salvation.

    I am presenting the scripture, that depicts this Day, and the truth it teaches.

    I, for one, choose to embrace this truth, and allow it to change the way I think and believe and speak, and act, so that I will align my life, with His: with someone who will be welcome into God's kingdom on that Day, when we will all be together before His throne to be judged according to our deeds.

    I want to hear these words from my Master:

    ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’ Matthew 25:34-36


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    Thanks for the crown thoughts.
    Philippians 2:5 KJV
    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    The shield of faith can only be held by a crucified hand. We crucify our bad self.

    The crowns fit us only if we have a servants mind and realize our position. Our mind (right under the thorn punctured scalp) is what we use to understand crowns.

    Thanks

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  8. Papyrus_dust

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    That's what has been said repeatedly here using scripture. Thank you for making it short and blessedly sweet. :hug
     
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    :hug:amen
     
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    I think if someone wants to hear the words of their master after life they should not twist and mislead the scriptures account of Jesus sacrifice and the gospel truth during their lifetime.
     
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    Well, everything I proposed is derived from scripture. I prefer civil replies rather than dismissive ones. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop replying to me if you're unable to display the former . Thanks in advance for understanding.
     
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    Okay but then there is the intelligent method of reading and using scripture, Hermeneutics, and then there is the New Covenant, Satanic, Method of Raping the scriptures to prove personally held View Points.

    There are several points of Context. The first is Local Context and that would include all of the implied content from the Paragraph, which often changes the meaning of a Stand Alone Sentence or portion of a sentence. Then there is the Context of the Chapter, of the Book and finally the Context of the Entire Bible.

    The rule I aspire to live by comes from the use of Hermeneutics; No scripture, passage of scriptures nor any collection of scriptures can ever be fully understood without the Light of All Scripture shinning upon it/them!

    I can prove anything, any point of view by rapping the scriptures and placing them in different orders. That is neither pleasing nor honoring of God! That creates Another Gospel,straight out of the Bible, it is heresy.
     
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    John 3:36 (ESV)36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

    Notice, has, the present tense verb there highlighted and underlined.
    Christians do not fear the judgment seat of Christ because our judgment isn't for our eternal salvation's status. That is reserved for those that denied Christ, the false teachers, those who died in their sins. The Christian who has eternal life due to Christ and his sacrifice to assure that for all time, appears before God and see's their earthly representation as ambassador sort of speak, of the identity of Christ like, as they exampled in their living in this world redeemed of all sins and trespasses. Washed clean by the blood of Christ forever. Born renewed, their old sinner self washed away and the new having arrived reborn in the image and likeness of Christ's atoning blood.

    That's what the Bible says. One verse is enough to lead a seeker to seek further. God is not a man that he should lie. Sadly, there are many a false teacher on TV and in the world, on sidewalks even as I've found them to be in my travels, who hope to tell people that eternal life is not eternal but transitory. That one slip up and we're back on the hell path. Those poor souls that utter that are what the scriptures identified even as those who at one time walked with the master. And then walked away. Of them it was said by his actual disciples, they left because they were not one with us. And so it was. And remains today.
    Those that would speak against eternity and salvation for those in Christ are those that have either walked away, or never laid eyes on the path of salvation at all. Likely because they are not called by God unto the truth. And that is why they commit their living what is a short mortal frame of time to uttering slander against the one that brought eternity to the soul that lives underneath the flesh of the sinner who realizing their fallen state, does seek the face of God. And finds it.
    That must be terribly vexing to false teachers when they lose one.
    God knew me before I was formed in my mothers womb. And he called me when I was in my 20's. I hearkened unto that voice as one hungry for a meal I'd never had but could taste in even my dreams. And when I found it in a Bible I opened in a bookstore, I was hungry for more.
    I dropped to my knees in my living room having read through the new promise my Lord had died to deliver to me, to the world, but in that moment to me, and I repented of all that I had been. And all that I had done.
    And I was washed clean of that former "I am ....sinner." and by my Christ's shed blood I cried like a baby and murmured curled up on my floor in thanks giving, I am redeemed for all eternity in his love and by my Father's grace. AMEN!

    That's scripture. That's what the Lord died to deliver. And no conjuring nor twisting nor attempt to erase the sacrifice in the past shall ever in all eternity change the facts God set down for the people of this world whom are still to be called by his grace to his eternally loved son.

    God knows those who try.
    And it is for them an eternal pity.
     
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    AMEN! 2 John 1:10 - If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
     
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    I think you misunderstood me. The words "what if" do indicate speculation.
    It is very easy to be misunderstood when communicating in this format.
    I had no intention to offend.
    Sorry 'bout that.

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    Are you now saying that these are unbelievers, at the Judgement seat of Christ, along with those who receive eternal life?


    Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34


    Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


    We see that, of those who are gathered before Him, on the Day of Judgement, some inherit the kingdom of God, and some inherit the everlasting fires of hell.



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    Great.

    Please explain why there are some at the Judgement seat of Christ who inherit the kingdom of God, and some who inherit the fires of hell.

    Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34


    Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41

    Here it is again, from Jesus -

    28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

    all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth:

    • those who have done good, to the resurrection of life
    • those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation



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    Okay.

    Let's test your theory.

    • Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34

    • Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: Matthew 25:41


    We see that, of those who are gathered before Him, on the Day of Judgement, some inherit the kingdom of God, and some inherit the everlasting fires of hell.

    • True or False



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    I've said quite enough. When the scriptures themselves are called into question, it appears that the questioner doesn't know the difference between the destiny of the sinner and that of the redeemed eternally saved in Christ.
    The Bible doesn't suffice. Excerpted scripture proof is denied, questioned, or twisted. It is not therefore evident that you are interested in the truth of God in Christ according to God's own words.
    Beware denying why Christ died. And that destiny he assured his own.
    I will no longer indulge the path you are on. I shall pray God knows your name instead.
     
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    And that covers everybody at one judgment.
     

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