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So as we near the end, would it ever be legitimate to kill others in self-defense (with them either trying to steal your food, or outright trying to shoot you) if either the poop hits the fan, or the tribulation starts? Do note that I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, I fully believe everyone will be entering into it.
 
So as we near the end, would it ever be legitimate to kill others in self-defense (with them either trying to steal your food, or outright trying to shoot you) if either the poop hits the fan, or the tribulation starts? Do note that I do not believe in a pre-trib rapture, I fully believe everyone will be entering into it.

You apparently have not heard of the "stand your ground" laws we have here in the US. Also, if it is determined that you were acting self defense you are given a lot of leeway in a trial.
 
You apparently have not heard of the "stand your ground" laws we have here in the US. Also, if it is determined that you were acting self defense you are given a lot of leeway in a trial.

That might be so for the citizens of the US, but what about for those of the Holy Nation?
 
So, if the tribulation (aka, the end times as we know it) start tomorrow, etc. and we go out and hide in the forest, etc, should we defend our campsites from those who want to take our food, and kill us? If governmental forces under the antichrist's government come for us, should we let them capture us, or should we fight back until the Lord returns?

Remember, there will be a lot of calamitous events that will happen to the world when the trib starts... food and survival will be hard...
 
i dont believe in a seven year trib.like i said what you have described in part has happened in iran and china. and darfur.
 
So, if the tribulation (aka, the end times as we know it) start tomorrow, etc. and we go out and hide in the forest, etc, should we defend our campsites from those who want to take our food, and kill us? If governmental forces under the antichrist's government come for us, should we let them capture us, or should we fight back until the Lord returns?

Remember, there will be a lot of calamitous events that will happen to the world when the trib starts... food and survival will be hard...
No. My mom's side of the family lived in Germany when WWII started. My grandmother gave food freely even though they often didn't have enough for themselves but they always seemed to have food and never starved. Many of those who hoarded their food eventually died from starvation. It's a matter of trusting in God.
 
So, if the tribulation (aka, the end times as we know it) start tomorrow, etc. and we go out and hide in the forest, etc, should we defend our campsites from those who want to take our food, and kill us? If governmental forces under the antichrist's government come for us, should we let them capture us, or should we fight back until the Lord returns?

Remember, there will be a lot of calamitous events that will happen to the world when the trib starts... food and survival will be hard...

Well, if you don't just turn yourself in to begin with to get tortured and beheaded, and take the trouble to go hide in the woods and have a food and gun supply, I don't think God would mind if you kill Satan's workers. They at this stage will only live to commit evil and they are not in the book of life.
 
Well, if you don't just turn yourself in to begin with to get tortured and beheaded, and take the trouble to go hide in the woods and have a food and gun supply, I don't think God would mind if you kill Satan's workers. They at this stage will only live to commit evil and they are not in the book of life.
I would like to see biblical support for this.
 
Re: Killing in self-defense...


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Well, if you don't just turn yourself in to begin with to get tortured and beheaded, and take the trouble to go hide in the woods and have a food and gun supply, I don't think God would mind if you kill Satan's workers. They at this stage will only live to commit evil and they are not in the book of life.




I would like to see biblical support for this.​
 
The bible states there will be a Rapture before the Great Tribulation. If you are left behind Jesus has stated that He never new you. All who are left behind will suffer.
 
So, if the tribulation (aka, the end times as we know it) start tomorrow, etc. and we go out and hide in the forest, etc, should we defend our campsites from those who want to take our food, and kill us? If governmental forces under the antichrist's government come for us, should we let them capture us, or should we fight back until the Lord returns?

Remember, there will be a lot of calamitous events that will happen to the world when the trib starts... food and survival will be hard...

Well, if you don't just turn yourself in to begin with to get tortured and beheaded, and take the trouble to go hide in the woods and have a food and gun supply, I don't think God would mind if you kill Satan's workers. They at this stage will only live to commit evil and they are not in the book of life.

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Which part of Christ's teachings say to get them before they get you?

Rom 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
 
The bible states there will be a Rapture before the Great Tribulation. If you are left behind Jesus has stated that He never new you. All who are left behind will suffer.

Pre-trib rapture isn't supportable by the Bible... I know all of the passages. It's not there.
 
One of my favorite passages...

2Ch 20:1 It came to pass after this also, that the children of Moab, and the children of Ammon, and with them other beside the Ammonites, came against Jehoshaphat to battle.
2Ch 20:2 Then there came some that told Jehoshaphat, saying, There cometh a great multitude against thee from beyond the sea on this side Syria; and, behold, they be in Hazazontamar, which is Engedi.
2Ch 20:3 And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the LORD, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.
2Ch 20:4 And Judah gathered themselves together, to ask help of the LORD: even out of all the cities of Judah they came to seek the LORD.
2Ch 20:5 And Jehoshaphat stood in the congregation of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the LORD, before the new court,
2Ch 20:6 And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?
2Ch 20:7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?
2Ch 20:8 And they dwelt therein, and have built thee a sanctuary therein for thy name, saying,
2Ch 20:9 If, when evil cometh upon us, as the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we stand before this house, and in thy presence, (for thy name is in this house,) and cry unto thee in our affliction, then thou wilt hear and help.
2Ch 20:10 And now, behold, the children of Ammon and Moab and mount Seir, whom thou wouldest not let Israel invade, when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them, and destroyed them not;
2Ch 20:11 Behold, I say, how they reward us, to come to cast us out of thy possession, which thou hast given us to inherit.
2Ch 20:12 O our God, wilt thou not judge them? for we have no might against this great company that cometh against us; neither know we what to do: but our eyes are upon thee.

2Ch 20:14 Then upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, came the Spirit of the LORD in the midst of the congregation;
2Ch 20:15 And he said, Hearken ye, all Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem, and thou king Jehoshaphat, Thus saith the LORD unto you, Be not afraid nor dismayed by reason of this great multitude; for the battle is not yours, but God's.
2Ch 20:16 To morrow go ye down against them: behold, they come up by the cliff of Ziz; and ye shall find them at the end of the brook, before the wilderness of Jeruel.
2Ch 20:17 Ye shall not need to fight in this battle: set yourselves, stand ye still, and see the salvation of the LORD with you, O Judah and Jerusalem: fear not, nor be dismayed; to morrow go out against them: for the LORD will be with you.

2Ch 20:20 And they rose early in the morning, and went forth into the wilderness of Tekoa: and as they went forth, Jehoshaphat stood and said, Hear me, O Judah, and ye inhabitants of Jerusalem; Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.
2Ch 20:21 And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed singers unto the LORD, and that should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army, and to say, Praise the LORD; for his mercy endureth for ever.
2Ch 20:22 And when they began to sing and to praise, the LORD set ambushments against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, which were come against Judah; and they were smitten.
2Ch 20:23 For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another.
2Ch 20:24 And when Judah came toward the watch tower in the wilderness, they looked unto the multitude, and, behold, they were dead bodies fallen to the earth, and none escaped.

We waste an awful lot of money and lives in the military these days. Seems to me the money would be better spent on singing lessons.
 
My grandmother gave food freely even though they often didn't have enough for themselves but they always seemed to have food and never starved. Many of those who hoarded their food eventually died from starvation. It's a matter of trusting in God.

Yes, I agree with this statement of faith. The Bible is very clear as to our obligation to care for others and not just the brotheren.
 
uh. Edward. how does one not kill in hate?

I mean if a man is harming your children. are you to kill him with love?
 
im a vet, I have seen death.

so if I loved my wife. and she threatned my person. so I would kill her with same type of love?

love with god must also include wrath. protecting the ones loved from one who wants to harm.
God love's for men doesn't negate his wrath.when it comes to the point of killing I wont be thinking I love you when I take your life. It will be acting as trained hopefully and then dealing with the aftermath.
 
Understand that the enemy is not the enemy in his own eyes ;this may offer you an opportunity to make him your friend. If not, you can kill him without hate, and quickly.
I would like to see biblical support for this.
 
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