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Luke 14:26

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This one is a hard saying. I've heard it debated and wondered myself. It`s the carnal mind which debates this, instead of understanding it spiritually. We have to understand this spiritually because hating our neighbor is not in any of Jesus's teachings of love. In this context...`Father and Mother` mean our origin, the old concept of Faith and Traditions.

`Wife` and `Brothers and Sisters` are our passions and the 'Children' mean our desires and ideas.

To follow Jesus the right way, we must hate all of this.
 
Whoops, here's the scripture.

Luke 14: 26
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
 
Never thought of it like that. I always thought it more to mean "the way of". Basically meaning that if you cannot see anything wrong about the lives of your father/mother/brother/sister/children/yourself then you cannot yet or will not identify and agree with what God considers wrong. Hate the sin, love the sinner type idea.
 
Its the one verse many like to avoid because there is no way around the word "hate", because that is what it says and people can't find the answer, even in all translations it says hate. I got no idea but obviously with all the other teaching on loving one another and the greatest command is love your neighbour, even love your enemies, and love one another as I have loved you, it cannot be a contradiction. It has a deeper meaning.
 
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Maybe he was just making a point that in reality no one could be his perfect diciple and follow him. Who took up there cross to be his diciple?. Even Peter denied him 3 times. When it come to crunch he didnt know the man. Where did everyone else go.
 
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Its the one verse many like to avoid because there is no way around the word "hate", because that is what it says and people can't find the answer, even in all translations it says hate. I got no idea but obviously with all the other teaching on loving one another and the greatest command is love your neighbour, even love your enemies, and love one another as I have loved you, it cannot be a contradiction. It has a deeper meaning.

Well that's the thing, Brother. I never really understood it completely either. But the Lord showed me what it does really mean. So I felt obliged to share it. There's no mystery here anymore. Mother & father is our origin, or our old concept of Faith and Traditions (our Sunday school teachings). Wife, and brothers and sisters are our passions, and children are our carnal ideas. His words, not mine.

It does make sense. Nowhere are we told to hate anyone. We're even to bless and pray for our enemies. So it's allegorical. It all points to hating our own self and life and renouncing it all unto the Lord.
 
Maybe he was just making a point that in reality no one could be his perfect diciple and follow him. Who took up there cross to be his diciple?. Even Peter denied him 3 times. When it come to crunch he didnt know the man. Where did everyone else go.

We can not be perfect disciples like you say...but! We can be perfectly repentant.
 
It could have multiple meanings. Another could be that he was showing people that inside them they have a light and great love, by saying if they cannot hate there family they cannot be his diciple. If Jesus knew that in reality no one could be a perfect diciple then all that saying would do is make people realise they love there family and thats as God loves them. It could have been a psychological teaching. The first thought in there minds would have been how deep there love is for there family and children, I can't hate my children I love them so much. Well Jesus loves you the same.

I can see where some may run into a spousal thing where one is not a believer, and says something like, it's God or me take your pick...and we should pick the Lord, though it would have to be a very difficult decision if that happened...It still wouldn't be hating them just loving the Lord more.
 
The Jerusalem Bible also uses the word hate and explains the meaning.

Hebraism: an emphatic way of expressing a total detachment.

It has nothing to do with the word hate as we know it to be, but to put God first in your life.
 
The Jerusalem Bible also uses the word hate and explains the meaning.

Hebraism: an emphatic way of expressing a total detachment.

It has nothing to do with the word hate as we know it to be, but to put God first in your life.

That makes an incredible amount of sense. A total detachment from our old worldly faith and Traditions, our worldly passions, and our carnal desires and ideas...

May as well say the old man dies, lol. :thumbsup
 
Never thought of it like that. I always thought it more to mean "the way of". Basically meaning that if you cannot see anything wrong about the lives of your father/mother/brother/sister/children/yourself then you cannot yet or will not identify and agree with what God considers wrong. Hate the sin, love the sinner type idea.

That would be the obvious.
 
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This one is a hard saying. I've heard it debated and wondered myself. It`s the carnal mind which debates this, instead of understanding it spiritually. We have to understand this spiritually because hating our neighbor is not in any of Jesus's teachings of love. In this context...`Father and Mother` mean our origin, the old concept of Faith and Traditions.

`Wife` and `Brothers and Sisters` are our passions and the 'Children' mean our desires and ideas.

To follow Jesus the right way, we must hate all of this.
There is more to this if we examine the scripture:
Jhn 12:25 "He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal."
Mat 10:37 "If you love your father or mother more than you love me, you are not worthy of being mine; or if you love your son or daughter more than me, you are not worthy of being mine."
Eph 4:22 "that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit"
Rom 8:13 "For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live."

These verses are all related, saying the same thing in different ways. It has to do with sinful desires, in which we need God's power to overcome those desires to put them to death, so that we can live rightly before God.

Therefore, Luke 14:26 is not allegorical, but literal, in the sense of a comparison, where Mat. 10:37 is a parallel verse. Jesus is saying for us to hate this life in comparison to our love for Him. IOW our choice to follow Christ might look like hate to our own family, from their point of view, since Christ should be our priority over them.

Also hating "one's own life" doesn't mean that we hate life as a Christian. It means we are to become serious and sober about following Christ. To dispel with the "fun" agenda and the party spirit. To "count the cost" of following Christ (the context of Luke 14), and carefully weigh what it takes to do what Christ commands.

It takes living by faith that Jesus did what it took to connect us with God by the gift of the Spirit, and His power is available to us at all times to help us do what He commands us to do. 1 John 5:4 "for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith."

The burden of righteousness is too great to bear on our own. We need it as a gift from God, both positionally and conditionally. We need the gift of God to make us right with Him, and we also need the same gift to make us righteous in all our actions. Grace for our acceptance, and grace for our witness. It is the free gift of God, let us believe for it, and put our feet to action on it.
TD:)
 
To dispel with the "fun" agenda and the party spirit.

The party crowd I can understand not to do as they do to get drunk and fall to temptations, but can you clarify your meaning of fun agenda as God does want us to enjoy our life here on earth as long as we are pleasing to Him.
 
The party crowd I can understand not to do as they do to get drunk and fall to temptations, but can you clarify your meaning of fun agenda as God does want us to enjoy our life here on earth as long as we are pleasing to Him.
Prov. 10:23 (TLB) "A fool’s fun is being bad; a wise man’s fun is being wise."
Tit 2:11-12 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world"
Jas 1:2 "My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials"
TD:)
 
Prov. 10:23 (TLB) "A fool’s fun is being bad; a wise man’s fun is being wise."
Tit 2:11-12 "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world"
Jas 1:2 "My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials"
TD:)

thank you :)
 
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