Mark of the beast - buying and selling?

[Endtime_Survivors]

I'm curious if others see any correlation between what the Mark prophecy says about buying/selling and microchip implants. It seems likely, with the way things are moving in the world economy that "tap-and-pay" microchip technology will eventually become standardized and then almost certainly be put into the body.

But more than whether or not people see there is a connection (since the connection is becoming more and more difficult not to see) is whether or not there are any solutions to the problem if a time does come when Christians won't be able to buy or sell anymore.

I'm curious about what people think of the solutions presented in this video. (it's a bit long with a lot of information connecting the Mark to microchip implants, but worth watching that part, too. The solutions part comes around the middle of the doc).

 

[JohnDB]

What if...
It isn't a literal mark?
But an agreement with something you knew to be wrong and by "proxy" you promote that evil...because of peer pressure or by actual actions....

The "mark" is a stamp as in coin stamping.

Just something to consider.

 

[Endtime_Survivors]

What if...
It isn't a literal mark?
But an agreement with something you knew to be wrong and by "proxy" you promote that evil...because of peer pressure or by actual actions....

The "mark" is a stamp as in coin stamping.

Just something to consider.

I think there are both literal and spiritual aspects to the Mark. What did you think of the evidence presented in the video?

 

[turnorburn]

Unless all of the clerks at every retail outlet.. eBay and Amazon site on the planet are mind readers.. it has to be a literal mark...

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

*edit: imo that is..

 

[for_his_glory]

I didn't watch the video because I am on dial-up and takes to long to download, but have seen others about this chip.

The mark of the beast might be some bar-code or micro chip one has to receive in order to buy or sell, but what is important is the thoughts of the mind and actions of the hands of what one will subject themselves to in order to survive as much of the worlds resources will be gone during the time of the first six trumpet chastisements of God as He warns people they need to repent.

Those who have no faith in the true God will reach out and bow down to the son of perdition being the false prophet that promises peace and prosperity to all who will bow down and submit themselves as the mark they will receive is that of accepting the false doctrine of the Luciferians false church making the son of perdition their god. Those who will not conform themselves and bow down to this system will be annihilated as many true Christians will either be imprisoned in work camps around the world or die a martyr's death as they refuse to denounce Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

The mark of the beast is to those who have no understanding of the word of God as they reject His preaching as they are lovers of self, 2 Timothy 3:-7 and will allow themselves to be deceived in their mind as they reach out with their hands and bow down to this false prophet that promises them provision and safety as they have no faith in Jesus who supplies all our needs, Philippians 4:19.

Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

 

[JohnDB]

Currently most money is electronic...
Actual bills and coins are not used much any longer.

We use things like debit cards and credit cards to pay for things.
One of the New bills is supposed to come out with a woman on it...can't remember.

But

Money is just a medium of exchange. Obviously there is going to be a lot more than just money with this "stamp" than what meets the eye. A known endorsement of evil and rejection of God.

America currently has roughly 70% of the world's economy. Most other nation's currencies are backed by US Dollars.

The Euro is the other common medium of exchange. Other than China most of the countries that don't back up their money with Dollars back it up with Euro s.

Since a failed Fiat monetary system is practically unknown in America look to Russia to see what happens when "new money" is issued and the old money is discarded.
People usually lose life savings and retirement income is gone.

And I can see that this will be the method used to institute some kind of perversion. Make the masses desperate and they will agree to just about anything...especially when "everyone else is doing it".

 

[Endtime_Survivors]

Currently most money is electronic...
Actual bills and coins are not used much any longer.

We use things like debit cards and credit cards to pay for things.

Seems like it was only 10 years ago people were saying this kind of thing was paranoia.

Money is just a medium of exchange. Obviously there is going to be a lot more than just money with this "stamp" than what meets the eye. A known endorsement of evil and rejection of God.

It's not the money which is the problem, nor is it the Mark; it is the spiritual lesson behind both. Money only exists in the first place because of greed and fear. It doesn't make plants or animals grow. It doesn't make the sun shine or the rain fall. It doesn't build or create anything. God and people do those things and we are meant to do them for one another.

So, I believe you are mistaken in that money is "just a medium of exchange" as though it's existence is somehow innocent but you are right in that taking the Mark is an endorsement of evil and rejection of God. It's an issue of loyalty to the systems of man (i.e. buying/selling) vs loyalty to God's system (i.e. working for love).

 

[wwjd_kilden]

I used to think the microchip would be the mark of the beast, but I've come to believe, as mentioned above, that it will be something more .... obvious than that. I think it will be more along the lines of "You will take MY mark and reject God" so that those choosing it will know for sure what it is/ does / signifies. (I could be wrong of course)

That being said, I still don't want a microchip in me.

 

[Eugene]

That being said, I still don't want a microchip in me.

Do you plan on being present during the last half of the tribulation? I don't think you can be.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Not sure I understand what you mean. When exactly do you think it will take place?
Jesus said the time was near 2000 years ago. I don't think I'll be alive when the mark becomes mandatory.

You think microchips will be forced upon all mankind all over the world within 60 years?

 

[Eugene]

Not sure I understand what you mean. When exactly do you think it will take place?
Jesus said the time was near 2000 years ago. I don't think I'll be alive when the mark becomes mandatory.

You think microchips will be forced upon all mankind all over the world within 60 years?

I believe that when it is mandatory to take the mark to buy and sell it will occur after the abomination of desolation stands in the holy place, and that will happen in the middle of the week of tribulation to come as we read of in Rev 9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, . . .
My reading of scripture leads me to believe that all portions of the Church will be caught up to heaven prior to the time the two witnesses are killed. Who makes up the Church raptured? John see the 24 elders (Rev 4:4), the four beasts Rev 4:6), the great multitude (Rev 7:13-15), and the 144,000 caught up in Rev 12:5, and shown with Jesus in Rev 14:1.

 

[JohnDB]

I tend to think that this will also be where words and actions will not line up either.

Like hypocrisy... People will say one thing but do another.

The book of Revelation is for believers... Not those who have never read it.

And this sort of thing is growing inside the church today. We see it more and more with the religious elite endorsements of things. Wrong things... (And people)

 

[wwjd_kilden]

The problem is that even those who read it read it differently , and each "team" claim to be inspired by the spirit.
Rapture or no rapture, we know that God's seal will be upon His people. That's enough for me.

 

[turnorburn]

The Rapture doctrine has been successful for all its intentional purposes.. to divide disrupt and cause dissension in the body of Christ..

 

[markathome]

For there to be a mark of the beast there first has to be the graven image of the beast, an idol of the beast that is the name of the beast.
An Idol can be letters! Letters make up a name. Accept the name as God and you have already accepted it.

 

[for_his_glory]

For there to be a mark of the beast there first has to be the graven image of the beast, an idol of the beast that is the name of the beast.
An Idol can be letters! Letters make up a name. Accept the name as God and you have already accepted it.

???.............what is your support for this?.................Are you saying God is the beast?

 

[markathome]

Look at the capital letters in name & God.

 

[for_his_glory]

Look at the capital letters in name & God.

Please explain as I have no clue what you are saying, and it's not because I need to read scripture, but it's because you give none

 

[Sinthesis]

For there to be a mark of the beast there first has to be the graven image of the beast, an idol of the beast that is the name of the beast.
An Idol can be letters! Letters make up a name. Accept the name as God and you have already accepted it.

Just speaking Arabic doesn't mean you've accepted the mark of the beast.

 

[Endtime_Survivors]

I think most people, including a good many professing Christians, will end up taking the Mark because they've never really questioned their dependence on materialism. The prophecy says we can't buy/sell without the Mark. It seems quite obvious that it is the representation of currency at that time. John refers to it as a "Mark" because he didn't know what else to call it. He was witnessing technology which he didn't understand, so he used a work to denote agreement and the closest approximation he could think of to some kind of physical marking in/on the hand which allowed people to buy/sell.

There is a physical side to the Mark in that there must be something there for shop keepers to determine that this person has the means to buy/sell. But there is also a spiritual lesson behind it, too.

We're supposed to be trusting God for a material provision. We're supposed to be working for one another out of love for God and our neighbor; not because we're afraid that we'll starve. I believe we're meant to be doing that now, but that the Mark represents the final line in the concrete, predicted 2000 years in advance with stunning accuracy (when compared to microchip implants for banking purposes) precisely to lend weight to the warning against taking it.

For people who put their faith in the material world for their provision, they will take the Mark regardless of whatever other religious professions they make with their mouth.