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Mark of the beast
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His_nee (Jeff)
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a million times worse , a milliion million million miullion million million X a million million million million million
times worse.
because there is no repentance after receiving it, no matter what it is.
the soul that ever gets it remains dead in sin and trespasses, separate from Yhwh with no change nor chance for rehabilitation or reconciliation or forgiveness ever in all eternity , in Jesus or any other way.
times worse.
because there is no repentance after receiving it, no matter what it is.
the soul that ever gets it remains dead in sin and trespasses, separate from Yhwh with no change nor chance for rehabilitation or reconciliation or forgiveness ever in all eternity , in Jesus or any other way.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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Revelation 14:11 ►
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And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."
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And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."
Classik
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So what exactly? Tnx
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His_nee (Jeff)
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(overall rejection of Jesus) (with eternal torment as judgment) (eternal doesn't mean without end. it just/always means until the end of a particular era or until time itself ends)
Hebrews 10kjv biblegateway : 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazing stock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition(to be destroyed); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Hebrews 10kjv biblegateway : 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazing stock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition(to be destroyed); but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Deborah13
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Hmm...what is the beast ?
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His_nee (Jeff)
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enemy of Christ. enemy of Truth. enemy of Yhwh's people(ekklesia).
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I would guess some kind of outward sign of a persons oath of fealty to the beast. Sort of like the SS getting a tattoo identifying them as loyal to that group.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:17 KJV
IOW, someone would get a tattoo or some such in the shape of the beast's logo. Many Indians have a red dot on their foreheads as a sign of their loyalty to Kali. Something like that. Vendors will be able to recognize it.
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:17 KJV
IOW, someone would get a tattoo or some such in the shape of the beast's logo. Many Indians have a red dot on their foreheads as a sign of their loyalty to Kali. Something like that. Vendors will be able to recognize it.
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agua.
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The mark is spiritual imo. ie. we will be identified by what we believe and this will be obvious by what we accept and do. We have a kind of example with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego imo.
Dan 3:10-12 KJV Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image: (11) And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (12) There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
If we don't participate in the beast's plans ( which include worshiping the first beast whatever that is ) we will be ostracized imo.
Dan 3:10-12 KJV Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image: (11) And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (12) There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
If we don't participate in the beast's plans ( which include worshiping the first beast whatever that is ) we will be ostracized imo.
iLOVE
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Revelation 9 (New International Version)
Revelation 9
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9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.
13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Revelation 9
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9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.
13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.
17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
turnorburn
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There are two schools of thought in the end God will win that's us the other school teaches that Lucifer will win.. The Illuminati the Free Masons at the highest level and another group best left to your imagination.. Here is a statement from one of Freemasonries finest at the very tip top level.. these folks will take that mark willingly thinking they know more than Jesus Christ completely sold out to Satan..
tob
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His_nee (Jeff)
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we (ekklesia immersed in Yeshua , living His Life today) are already ostracized.
those ekklesia who don't participate in the beast's plans will be executed, and will not resist.
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agua.
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Yeah Jeff we already are ostracized ( not badly in the western world really atm ) but in the end ( during the tribulation period ) we won't be able to trade either which will be interesting ( whatever buy and sell means ). Unless you're suggesting every Saint will be killed during this time ?
Rev 13:15 KJV And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Maybe the mark is simply a way of ferreting out believers to kill them.
A
agua.
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There are two schools of thought in the end God will win that's us the other school teaches that Lucifer will win.. The Illuminati the Free Masons at the highest level and another group best left to your imagination.. Here is a statement from one of Freemasonries finest at the very tip top level.. these folks will take that mark willingly thinking they know more than Jesus Christ completely sold out to Satan..
tob
Interesting turnorburn the Masons and Illuminati already operate though marks ( signs and symbols and fatal ordinances ).
Deborah13
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That's what happened in the Roman Empire. The Christians would not worship the emperors, who declared themselves gods, so they were killed.
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agua.
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Yeah Deb. Do you think every Christian will be killed during the tribulation ( ops I can't remember if you are full premil )
Sinthesis
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Yep, and look how that turned out!
The mark is spiritual imo. ie. we will be identified by what we believe and this will be obvious by what we accept and do. We have a kind of example with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego imo.
Dan 3:10-12 KJV Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, shall fall down and worship the golden image: (11) And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, that he should be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. (12) There are certain Jews whom thou hast set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
If we don't participate in the beast's plans ( which include worshiping the first beast whatever that is ) we will be ostracized imo.
Great scripture.
That scripture is the perfect example [shadow] for us to use today, while teaching and encouraging our brothers and sisters as well as the youth, about events of bible prophecy being fulfilled today.
What do you think the mark is?
Based on modern technology, it seems the Verichip, with its ability to contain vast amounts of info and can be scanned as well as tracked, via satellite, could be a likely candidate for the mark.
The government is already trying to chip school kids, with much resistance from the parents.
There are many is Mexico and European countries that chip their kids now, to safeguard against kidnapping.
Animals are chipped now as a common practice.
JLB
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
There will be a few.
JLB
Deborah13
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Yep, and look how that turned out!
To be sure, God avenged those saints deaths. The Roman Empire was destroyed.