Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission

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  1. Politico

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    I pray the court finds against this shop. For the sake of all Christians in America. And all others too. The intention of this Masterpiece cakeshop owner is contrary to Jesus and his teachings. Their bigotry, not religiosity, is a shameful public spectacle at this point. God guide the justices.
     
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    Well let's not let facts in the way of a good story.

    Here are the facts:

    http://www.breakpoint.org/2017/11/b...mail&utm_term=0_84bd2dc76d-05ac5a4947-8592533


    Here’s what you need to know about Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cakeshop—what you need to know and tell your friends, family, and co-workers when the topic comes up.

    First, Jack is a cake artist, something that’s become more famous since reality television shows like “Cake Wars.” He doesn’t just bake cakes; he custom designs master cakes. However, from the beginning Jack has seen his business as an expression of his faith (hence the name), and that has led him to reject business throughout his career. For example, he’s refused to make custom cakes for Halloween and divorce celebrations, and he’s turned down requests for lewd cakes for bachelor and bachelorette parties.

    Back in 2012, two men asked Jack to design a cake for their same-sex wedding. Now mind you, back in 2012, the state of Colorado didn’t even recognize same-sex weddings. Jack told them that he would gladly sell them any item in the store—including cakes—but that he could not, due to his religious convictions, use his cake-design talents to participate in the celebration of their ceremony.

    The couple left fuming. Vile phone calls started pouring in—even death threats. The Colorado Civil Rights Commission not only fined Jack, but ordered that if he made custom wedding cakes for heterosexual couples, he also had to do it for same-sex couples. Then the Commission—behaving like some communist dictatorship might—ordered Jack and his employees to go through a “re-education” program and provide quarterly compliance reports.

    Obviously Jack appealed, and his case has made it to the Supreme Court. Jack has stopped selling wedding cakes, and has lost 40 percent of his business, and has had to lay off employees.

    Now those are the facts. You can find them at ADFLegal.org—the website of the Alliance Defending Freedom, which is representing Jack.

    Nonetheless, the media, the LGBTQ lobby, the ACLU, and even members of Congress continue to misrepresent the case and smear Jack Phillips.
     
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    Jack Phillips does not have to bake a homosexual union cake if he does not want to. I posted the text above as an edit. He refused divorce cakes, Halloween cakes and lewd cakes for bachelor and bachelorette parties. All before the homosexual couple came in the store. He even offered to sell them a wedding cake but refused to use his artistic talent to design a gay cake.

    Let's fast forward to the Trump Inauguration. Many dress designers refused to make a dress for the First Lady. Should the Trumps sue them? No they are not because dress designing is art work and last I checked the government could not tell an artist what to paint, design, mold, or stick in an oven.
     
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    And what is his intention?
     
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    Amen! It is short sighted in my view to pursue this to the highest court and for the purpose of permitting the religious to exercise a religious right to violate the civil rights of those they deem worthy.
    The landmark against the civil rights laws would be astonishing. And the repercussions not taken into account by this baker apparently, devastating. It isn't impossible to realize Christianity is under attack in America now. Let retailers the right to discriminate and refuse service to us based on our faith and watch out.

    I don't think that SCOTUS is without the vision needed to protect us from that sister. Pray God's will be done. There are many Christians on the bench there. They know what this case means to the broader landscape of religious and non-religious and their freedoms.
    Pray! Being we're not on the bench it is all we can do.
    I think if anyone has been openly discriminated against because of some feature about them, including their faith, they would never want to see that lawful for anyone anywhere at all. Most certainly not in a free country that is this blessed America.
     
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    Amen again!
    Something none of us I would dare say can state. Knowing the baker himself.
    Your dancing cat is so cute. Cracks me up every time. :lol

    Here's one for you. :)
    [​IMG]
     
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    There is no violation of civil rights. Neither the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, federal law, nor the Bible prohibits the bakers stated intentions and motivations.
     
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    You write like a young, liberally educated person. Let me guess. You believe there is something inherently wrong with discrimination? How do you define discrimination? Do you understated that certain orthodox Muslim practices are prohibited by American law? That is a form of positive discrimination against someone's "faith." There is good and bad discrimination. You can't make it through a single day without exercising discrimination.
     
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    :) Have a blessed Thanksgiving brother.
     
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    LOL. You are putting a lot of confidence in man.
     
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    You to.
     
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    Not only things like that but the Constitution itself discriminates. A quick reading of it demonstrates that fact.......
     
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    Can you show me where the Civil Rights Act of 1964 applies to gay marriage?
     
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    Would you ask the same thing about interracial marriage? Also at one time illegal in America before Loving vs. Virginia.
    And sure, I can help you understand that.
    Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which prohibits employment discrimination “based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin.”, was expanded by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in 2015. Discriminating against gay employees is sex discrimination. Because a woman who loves a woman being discriminated against due to their sexual preference, is first discrimination against that female. Due to her private sex life. (As is the case with male of course).

    And in my view the reason this baker will lose at the Supreme Court is due to the protections guaranteed under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
     
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    If SCOTUS rules against this baker there's clearly going to be some really angry Christians in this world. What do you mean we have to treat people the way Jesus would have and under the law of man? HOW DARE YOU!
     
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    So sad to read Christian people supporting sin .. over and over... sad
     
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    Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
     
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    Yes, bigotry, hate, is a sin that shows itself in this world quite often. Very sad.
     

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