Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission

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  1. Justicewolf

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    Good idea. Unfortunately, opportunities like that which this thread provides allows for those in Christ to show what that means to them. And how many here have actually invited this topic to be prayed over?Compared to those who call fellow Christians all sorts of names, imply all sorts of filthy accusations against them, because not everyone here is up for saying, "damn the queers, let them eat cake from somewhere else! Not a Christian bakery if that christian owner doesn't want to serve them. "
     
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    Bigotry has become anything the left does not like...
     
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  3. Justicewolf

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    :lol You have no argument. The moment you presented a falsehood about plain cakes. :wave2
     
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    YOU'RE A RACIST!!!!!!

    :lol Heh! Heh! Heh! - Couldn't resist. It's the knee-jerk reaction of leftist social justice warrior snowflakes.
     
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    Yesh! :hug Two packs are cool too.
     
  9. Politico

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    Disgusting.

    Your critical thinking skills have been left somewhere. Where have you left them, Christian?

    Do you even know what the word bigot means?

    Judgment stands at the door. Sinning in ignorance is still sin and has negative consequences, Christian. (Lev. 4:13-28).

    Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.


    The sea will part and the Baker will win.
     
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    I stopped reading when you openly violate the rules of conduct here. But are able because you're attempting to insult someone that has already been slandered by the highest order here.
     
  12. Politico

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    Calling your argument and accusations against the man of God (Baker) disgusting is not disallowed by the TOS. And you to, just like the state of Colorado, are apparently into censoring speech. Too bad. How old are you anyways?

    You have slandered the man of God and others when you call the Baker and every Christian who agrees with him a bigot.

    Got it? Good.
     
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    I wonder how many will read that entire blog page?

    "For their part, the court’s four more liberal justices mostly seemed to side with the couple. Responding to the argument by Kristen Waggoner, who represented Masterpiece and Phillips, that the First Amendment bars the government from forcing people to express messages that violate their religious beliefs, Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Waggoner dubiously when the Supreme Court has ever “given protection to food?” “Food is there to be eaten,” she said. Moreover, she added, when people look at a wedding cake, they associate it with the couple being married; if that’s the case, how can Phillips say that a cake is a medium for his expression?

    Sotomayor was also worried that a ruling for Masterpiece would not only violate the dignity of same-sex couples, but could also cause real hardships. Most military bases, she noted, are in isolated parts of the United States, many of which are predominantly Christian. That means, she said, that there might only be one or two bakers to provide cakes for same-sex weddings – and a couple could be out of luck if all the available bakers cite religious beliefs as a reason to refuse to make a cake. “We can’t legislate civility and rudeness,” she concluded, but we can legislate behavior."

    "With Kennedy seemingly holding the key vote, the couple and their supporters at first seemed to have reason to be optimistic. Discussing the impact that a ruling for the baker could have for gays and lesbians, Kennedy told Solicitor General Noel Francisco, who argued on behalf of the United States in support of Masterpiece Cakeshop, that if the baker were to win, he could put up a sign indicating that he would not bake cakes for same-sex couples. That, Kennedy suggested, would be “an affront to the gay community.”

    But the tide seemed to shift later in the argument, as Kennedy asked Colorado Solicitor General Frederick Yarger, representing the state, about a statement by a member of the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who noted that religious beliefs had in the past been used to justify other forms of discrimination, like slavery and the Holocaust. It is, the commission member contended, “one of the most despicable pieces of rhetoric that people can use their religion to hurt others.” If we thought that at least this member of the commission had based his decision on hostility to religion, Kennedy asked Yarger, could the judgment against Masterpiece stand?

    Kennedy returned to this idea again a few minutes later, telling Yarger that “tolerance is essential in a free society.” But Colorado, Kennedy posited, hasn’t been very tolerant of Phillips’ religious beliefs in this case. And, following up on Gorsuch’s suggestion that the training required of Phillips would amount to compelled speech, Kennedy commented (more than a little derisively) that Phillips would “have to teach that state law supersedes our religious beliefs.”

    Even if there are five votes in favor of Masterpiece, those justices will face a dilemma: How do they draw a line that respects the religious beliefs of people like Phillips without, as Breyer put it, “creating chaos.” As the more liberal justices’ questions for Waggoner illustrate, that is easier said than done."
     
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    Thanks for including the sophomoric statements and questions by Justice Stomeyer. That's right up your alley, I think. Seriously
     
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    For the record.... I do not believe it would be right for anyone to go to a muslin store and demand pork...
    If homosexual baker said i will not bake a cake for WBC that would be fine with me..
    IF ANY baker said i will not bake a cake for WBC that would be good
    My main problem with this is acceptance of what is ungodly by the Church.. We have failed to teach the value of Godly sex life. Over looking the damnation that perversion brings on is hateful... God first established a relationship with Adam... then Marriage... Marriage is kinda at the top of His list... To the point He uses marriage of an example of Himself and the Church.. We Christians slap His plan with what He calls an abomination and pride ourselves with how loving we are... ... What the world does is not my concern... We need to teach our kids the value of a Godly life.. That these commitments have value they matter... Our bodies are to be given to the LORD as a living sacrifice .. Not sold out to the ways of the world... IMV Christians are mocking His Word... Not all agree with me Big Surprise
     
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    "Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Waggoner dubiously when the Supreme Court has ever “given protection to food?” “Food is there to be eaten,” she said. Moreover, she added, when people look at a wedding cake, they associate it with the couple being married; if that’s the case, how can Phillips say that a cake is a medium for his expression?"

    Where did this Justice leave her reason with such stupid questions laden with fallacious logic and bias.

    If anyone ever thought that liberal justices are cable of unbiased reasoning, well the above stupidity will certainly dispel and such ridiculous conclusion.
     
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    :lol Oh good, more rule violations. The Bakers name isn't baker. :nono Care enough about the case to at least know the bakers name.

    And he isn't a man of God when what he claims is his religious beliefs about homosexuals marrying is supplanted by his willingness to make a buck off a damned couple of sinner homosexuals if they'll only accept a plain wedding cake. Instead of one designed to represent a homosexual union. A lie of course because there is no proof of this.

    He thinks he's keeping to his beliefs based on the appearance of the cake itself. When the cake is being made to celebrate two sodomites entering into the union God ordained for one man and one woman.
    Get it? The obviousness of the sin and its cake adornment is what he balked at? Cakes aren't expressions. They're food.
    He's making a cake for a gay wedding if the gays that order it concede to his design of a plain wedding cake. A claim not mentioned in the SCOTUS Blog. But delivered as a false statement in defense of the baker. Who's name is not baker.

    It's Phillips. He refuses to make custom cakes for what he claims conflict with his religious beliefs. But someone falsely claimed he'd design a regular wedding cake for Charlie Craig and David Mullins. That's not true. Lying is a sin.

    "The dispute before the Supreme Court today dates back to 2012, when Charlie Craig and David Mullins went to Masterpiece Cakeshop, a Denver-area bakery, to order a special cake to celebrate their upcoming marriage. But Jack Phillips, the owner of the bakery, refused to make them a cake. Phillips, who describes himself as a “cake artist,” is also a Christian who closes his business on Sundays and refuses to design custom cakes that conflict with his religious beliefs – for example, cakes that contain alcohol, have Halloween themes or celebrate a divorce or same-sex marriage."
     
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  19. Politico

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    Has it occurred to you, Christian, that if the baker should lose, that Christian businesses will likely start to dissolve in a hurry, and that will mean a Godless majority business presence in the US?

    Why do you insist on doing the the work of the Enemy for him pertaining to this matter?
     
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    The differentiation of what is or isn't art is quiet arbitrary. Ie the filming of two people having sex and photos of nude people is art. Yet a photographer isn't an artist in any other cases yet people pay for scenic photos. I take photos all the time as its an art in what I'm trying to photo.I'm painting a message.yet thats not art.many photographers who do weddings are also into videography.a movie is an art yet my brother does this for his church and documentary as movies can be,not art?

    It's whacky.you can't tell me Ansel Adams wasn't an artist.
     

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