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Hi,
I love it here, but I find it increasingly frustrating having to edit the spacing between lines and sometimes between words when pasting Bible quotes here from Logos Bible software (a very commonly used software).

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1 John 2:1–18 (NASB95)

1My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

2and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

3By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

4The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

5but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:

6the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

I have to "tighten" the spacing between lines every time, and often words will runtogetherlikethis...

Thanks!!!!
 
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1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Some times it is where you are coping from... i copied & pasted the above from eSword
 
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Okay. But as I said, Logos is a very common software. And I'd appreciate it if you'd pass this along to the IT folk. :thumbsup
 

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Also, you don't necessarily have to copy all of the text from the passages to which you are referring. There is an add-on in this site that will automatically link to the content of a passage just by stating the reference.

Just as an example look at your original post here. The add-on automatically made a link out of your scripture reference. Anyone is able to either hover over it or click on it to see the content of the passage.
 
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Okay. But as I said, Logos is a very common software. And I'd appreciate it if you'd pass this along to the IT folk.
Logos has to copy to the clipboard then it get's pasted here.

e-sword in my opinion after using Logos for awhile blows Logos out of the water in terms of speed and layout. E-sword has options on how something is copied and pasted. (Formatting and such) and options the why the scriptures are presented.

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
(Rev 9:12-15)

Rev 9:12-15
(12) One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
(13) And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
(14) Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
(15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

I have options on how it goes to clipboard, and 8 options on how the scriptures are displayed.

Rev 9:12-15 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. (13) And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, (14) Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. (15) And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

I also use the Georgia font in e-sword because this forum supports it. I am not sure what using a non-supported font would translate into. Below is matura script and the forum removes all formatting from it.

One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter. And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
(Rev 9:12-16)

The problem has to be Logos. Might be an option in there to change the way it copies text to the clipboard. Whatever the case, it has to go through the clipboard to be pasted.

Blessings.
 
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Okay. But as I said, Logos is a very common software. And I'd appreciate it if you'd pass this along to the IT folk. :thumbsup
John,
As a former Web Master and a former, White Hat, Program Reconstructer, your issue is with the programs writer and seller. It is a program issue and to correct it on the web, every web Master, on every Christian Web Site in the world must rewrite the code the runs their web site. It is a Logos issue.
 
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I noticed the same thing. E-Sword copies nicely, but BibleGateway copy/paste does at times runsomewordstogether, and I have to adjust spacing as described.

I'ma slowly fixing my dictionary too, lol. I read KJV so much that I tend to write with the language at times also and spellcheck tags em mis-spelled. I keep adding them to the dictionary, lol. Soon it'll be KJV friendly.

I just go with the flow and deal with it. It'd be nice if it was fixable but I've got the impression that it's a BibleGateway thing and not us

:study
 
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John,
As a former Web Master and a former, White Hat, Program Reconstructer, your issue is with the programs writer and seller. It is a program issue and to correct it on the web, every web Master, on every Christian Web Site in the world must rewrite the code the runs their web site. It is a Logos issue.
Yep, it's Logos, not the website. As suspected.
 
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I noticed the same thing. E-Sword copies nicely, but BibleGateway copy/paste does at times runsomewordstogether, and I have to adjust spacing as described.

I'ma slowly fixing my dictionary too, lol. I read KJV so much that I tend to write with the language at times also and spellcheck tags em mis-spelled. I keep adding them to the dictionary, lol. Soon it'll be KJV friendly.

I just go with the flow and deal with it. It'd be nice if it was fixable but I've got the impression that it's a BibleGateway thing and not us

:study
With BibleGateway it can be the Web Master's fault for not testing, adequately, before publishing and as for it remaining, that is his or her fault. I have published pages that required me to retreat and repair, several times, early on.
 
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With BibleGateway it can be the Web Master's fault for not testing, adequately, before publishing and as for it remaining, that is his or her fault. I have published pages that required me to retreat and repair, several times, early on.
BibleGateway is a little goofy for me. I was subscribed to one of their reading programs where they send me chapters in the e-mail to read...and one day they stopped coming. I resubscribed and it still wont let me get notifications from them. I have no idea if their system is messed up or if that was an attack on my computer so maybe I wont read, lol?!

It didn't stop me of course.
 
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BibleGateway is a little goofy for me. I was subscribed to one of their reading programs where they send me chapters in the e-mail to read...and one day they stopped coming. I resubscribed and it still wont let me get notifications from them. I have no idea if their system is messed up or if that was an attack on my computer so maybe I wont read, lol?!

It didn't stop me of course.
LOL! That sounds a lot like a windoze server issue. I never understood why folks pay that kind of change for trash when the good stuff, linux/unix is always, over the long run so much cheaper and so resistant to attack. But, thinking about it, man does not have a great record anywhere from Adam forward, do we?
 
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Yeah, I don't think there's much that can be done on this or any other individual web site to fix that. It's in the formatting that logos uses. As for E-Sword, I agree with those above. I just started using it last year and have never had the problem you are having with Logos! And it's FREE!
 
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But Logos copies and pastes just fine on other Christian forums.
And what are "WE" doing on the "OTHER" Christian forums?

Logos is over priced, you pay thousands for someone else commentary. They skimp on the number of bibles they give you.

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Logos should come with an options on how text is displayed from clipboard though. You should be able to tell it to display as formatted or plain text.

If it's being run together, then this forum is not understanding the Character for the Space in between. Other Forums might convert it. You can fix that by making sure it get's copied as unformated text, or plain text.

I had the same issue with e-sword and Microsoft Word. A simple fix in Word options on how clipboard text is used fixed the issue.

Try pasting your bible text in Notepad .txt file and see what it looks like. Then copy and paste that into the forums. Should be no issues after that.

If you paste in those other forums with like Jesus letters in red and it translate as red to other forums with the same font then your copying the formatting along with the text. Forums software has to translate that. With Html, and all sorts of formats it would be impossible for any one forum to or web site to translate everything.
 
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John,
E-sword is so good it is the number one Pastor's choice and as most know, Pastors almost never by their own software nor their new Bibles but the still prefer e-Sword. Aside from the number of free Bible versions you can also pay for your favorite. My NASB cost me a whole twenty and goes quite well with the other ten I usually use.
 
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LOL! That sounds a lot like a windoze server issue. I never understood why folks pay that kind of change for trash when the good stuff, linux/unix is always, over the long run so much cheaper and so resistant to attack. But, thinking about it, man does not have a great record anywhere from Adam forward, do we?
:lol Not a good record indeed. We're are slow learners lol. It's only the one website though that wont send notifications, so I figured it had to be them. I (still) need a new computer. Linux, yeah. I've had a bunch of people tell me that. Think I'll buy a linux now? lol lol :nag

I'm going to try.
 
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John,
E-sword is so good it is the number one Pastor's choice and as most know, Pastors almost never by their own software nor their new Bibles but the still prefer e-Sword. Aside from the number of free Bible versions you can also pay for your favorite. My NASB cost me a whole twenty and goes quite well with the other ten I usually use.
I had logos and Biblesoft. both sluggish, took to many steps to grab the Greek or Hebrew, both bloated with commentary I would never read as I don't read other peoples ideas of what scripture says,I can read just fine. Both lacking the Amplified and many other bibles.

And, in e-sword you can stop the E-sword.exe in a firewall and it won't complain about adding other bibles you find laying around.
 
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I'm looking it over esword...

some things i like, but mostly i don't
 
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If so, my thumbs up was only to say I was looking into it but I am not satisfied with it. It doesn't have a Bible verse copy frame that I am happy with for example. It looks like cut-n-paste each verse. :thumbsup invert this guy to two thumbs down.
Sorry.