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In post # 3 I spoke of 2 spiritual Mothers, one is by the spirit of this world being "Wickedness" and the other is called "Wisdom" by the Holy Spirit from heaven above. In scripture we see what I call opposite reflections, like a Lamb with 7 horns vs. a Dragon with 7 heads. Just as Light is the opposite of darkness, and good is the opposite of evil.

With that in mind, look at this verse here...
Proverbs 9:1 "Wisdom hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars:

So I got to thinking, if Wisdom has her 7 good spirits, perhaps "Wickedness" has her 7 evil spirits, or Abominations. As she being spiritual wickedness is also the Mother of Abominations of the earth.

And I think those 7 are shown here...

Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
 
So who or what have we decided is the mother of harlots and abominations?
Spirit of Jezebel, Rev 2:18-29, who seeks to kill and destroy those who are in Christ and He in them as she spreads Satan's lies deceiving all she can with lying signs and wonders that could even deceive the very elect if possible, Romans 1:16-32.
 
It is this world that is like a mother that produces the children of the flesh, because of sin that had entered into the world, by the spirit of that Wicked. Those who are of the world do mind the things of the flesh.

1 John 2:16
"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

But those who are born again of the Spirit are no longer of the world, as they have overcome the ways of the world by faith in Jesus Christ, as Jesus also overcame the world.

So you have 2 different minds at work by 2 different spirits, one that is earthy and one that is heavenly as I mentioned earlier. These 2 minds are dictated by the "heads" of the body. For instance, Christ is the "head" of the Body, or the "head" of the Church. So those who are of His Spirit have the mind of Christ.
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

So with that in mind, there is also a "head" that dictates the way the children of the flesh think, as it is the spirit of that Wicked that is also in the world being the "head" of the Body of the beast.

Notice what "head" was to be the head of all the kingdoms shown to Daniel.

Daniel 2:37-38
"Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

So it was this Babylonian head (way of thinking) that would dictate the mind of those who are of the world. The Lord also referred to the King of Babylon as Lucifer; so you can see the connection to those who do the lusts of their father the Devil as being of that same spirit and "mind".

So the name written on the forehead "Babylon the great" symbolizes the way a person thinks, and also the things they desire. Just as the children born of this world being of the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, be we who are of the Spirit are sealed in our forehead and have a new name written, and we do mind the things of the Spirit.

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.



 
Oh yes! We have all.. every nation, and age, played the harlot. The things I notice most of all about her is the Kings (politicians) are in bed with her, she made the merchants wealthy and they will cry when she falls. She has seduced and enchanted all seven hills (continents) of earth. And even though she rides the red beast (enabled by?) it's ten kings, toes, divisions? of the last hour will destroy and devour (consume) her who lived luxuriously and wantonly. (Socialism [man's governing/government] will devour capitalism?)

The Greek word translated Harlot, maybe too has been mentioned in this thread, Greek word "pornos". (The flood of Rev 12:15? Albeit chapter 12 is an insert and a total history on its own. Not a fit in the 7 year box so many have put all of Revelation in.) She, last days harlot, crashes? in an hour.. And falls ("fallen, fallen") in a day.. No sound of the millstone will be heard in her again.. She is responsible for all slain on earth.. her forehead (psyche) is mystery babble? All untruth/confusion? "Come out of her My people".. great hail (debris?) In the long list of the products her enchantments sell, is even the lives and bodies of human beings.. which reminds of how she has a cup of bubbling (over?) side effects.. the perversions, murders, abortions, slave trade, dissolution of family and culture.. I agree she is the one through the ages which has been a yoke upon all generations.. how nice life will be without this yoke!

Interesting thread!

God bless! :)
 
It appears the links you have posted are part of a group/person that does not agree with Trinitarianism which is a heresy....
"In that writing, I had said, "Trinitarianism is one of the cornerstones of the Apostate Church (Orthodoxy)." and "Arnold Murray doesn't believe in the Trinity any more than I do;"
To say the least, I have gotten some negative feedback for that statement. The reason given for my objection was related broadly on that page (linked above), but I'm not going to go over that here. In fact, I am dropping the objections I made. Those objections were not made with thoughtful consideration, I objected to the Trinity, but I was not entirely sure why. When I wrote that page, I was mainly interested in beginning my work against the ministry of the Shepherd's Chapel and provoking a response from people faithful to that ministry. So I just made objections based on what seemed plausible to me at that time. After all, I didn't really know anything about the Trinity. "God in three persons" is not terminology I had read in the bible, so it was easy to say "that's not biblical." I did not know what the terms mean to Trinitarians. So that objection does not adequately explain my current position in regard to the Trinitarian doctrine.

Subsequent to my making those statements, in the same document, I also said, "Anyway, there are lots of good reasons to reject the Trinity. I'll just say that I like to describe God and the Son of God using only the scriptures. That is good enough for me and for anyone."
http://oraclesofgod.org/doctrine/02_on_the_doctrine_of_the_trinity.htm

Unless I am misunderstanding what this person is attempting to say?
 
The original poster did have a lot of accurate depictions of the so termed "harlot" and associated workings. But alas, in the usual/typical order of how spiritual vs. spiritual disobedience goes, when it is truthfully pointed out that we all have sin, are sinners, and that sin is factually linked/connected/related to the DEVIL, the poster went off the rails, thinking himself isolated from this particular direction of truthful Word conveyances. In short order he got huffy, defensive, and took a hike. Yes, the Gospel does contain offense to our own sorry hides. Any good Bible student should understand that principle. It's found in Gal. 5:17, and amply demonstrated whenever/wherever the Word is sown/shared. There will be resistance. It's guaranteed. Mark 4:15 is the short version on what happens where the Word is sown. There is a resistor, unseen, that IS in play. And yes it is a very REAL phenomena.

Too bad really. I liked his posts. Pretty much all of them. He nails it. Until it came to laying the claims of every Word on himself, as Jesus advised us to do. Matt. 4:4, Luke 4:4. But most fall short of doing that in any case, myself included. It's not an easy gig.

The infamous harlot is beyond any question, a working beyond/underneath ANY external observations. We may view the outcomes, but that really doesn't strike at the heart of the matters.

Sometimes the best forms of Rev. study or even Bible studies in general is to take conclusions and work backwards, building understandings on the conclusions. So, in Rev. we have a couple very basic conclusions about the infamous mother of harlots. Look at them for "foundational" understandings. Then "compare" those facts to where your own head/thoughts are and ALIGN or REALIGN your own "bible thoughts" as the case dictates:

Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

In the above we see an abundantly clear connection of Mystery Babylon to the Mother of Harlots.

With this hard line fact in hand, let's progress to the next chapter for what/who this is referring to. And even though I've posted this matter several times over the courses of several years here believers who have strayed off the path of scriptural hard line fact STILL insist, beyond any form of comparative reasoning to seeing Rome or Jerusalem or the Pope or whoever is the latest anti-Christ "guess" as what this matter of Mystery Babylon/the Mother of Harlots is referring to. But here it is, plain as day. Even if made BOLD RED and enlarged though, some people still can't get this fact into their heads:

Revelation 18:2
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


Obviously, quite entirely obviously we are dealing with the spiritual arena of DEVILS and FOUL SPIRITS here.


Not Rome. Not the Pope. Not Jerusalem. Not some purported flesh guy anti-Christ. <<<- Looking at all these alternatives is basically worthless IF anyone manages to get the factual picture.


But some people go into auto-loop and wind up back to where they started, thinking that those "other things" are what the matters in BOLD RED are. They aren't.

Devils and foul spirits are not Rome, are not Jerusalem, are not about some other guy.

These are an area of study beyond the literal/external. Staring at the Pope or Rome or Jerusalem is NOT going to show us "the devil(s)" or "foul spirits." Why??? Because these workings are UNSEEN, is the simple lesson involved here. We can't look "literally/physically" to see "Spiritually."

The reason this subject is so fitfully obscured and contested really comes down to a simple observation. We all have sin, have sinnned, and sin IS of the devil. Believers just don't care to look at these matters that close to HOME. And there are 'Spiritual' reasons they will be KEPT from seeing. The "resistance factor" is in our own sorry hides, as Paul shows us, even with his own flesh, in many many places. For that we can take a real short lesson by connecting Gal. 5:17 to 2 Cor. 12:7 and you'll see EXACTLY where the problem really is.


Not that I expect too many to actually arrive at that conclusion. But there are other reasons to post these matters Biblically, "truthfully." Romans 7:13 and 1 Cor. 15:56 are those reasons, and a preamble to the events of Revelation. The "churches" are really meant to INFLAME these matters, prior to the culmination. Which is fit for another thread, altogether.
 
It appears the links you have posted are part of a group/person that does not agree with Trinitarianism which is a heresy....
"In that writing, I had said, "Trinitarianism is one of the cornerstones of the Apostate Church (Orthodoxy)." and "Arnold Murray doesn't believe in the Trinity any more than I do;"
To say the least, I have gotten some negative feedback for that statement. The reason given for my objection was related broadly on that page (linked above), but I'm not going to go over that here. In fact, I am dropping the objections I made. Those objections were not made with thoughtful consideration, I objected to the Trinity, but I was not entirely sure why. When I wrote that page, I was mainly interested in beginning my work against the ministry of the Shepherd's Chapel and provoking a response from people faithful to that ministry. So I just made objections based on what seemed plausible to me at that time. After all, I didn't really know anything about the Trinity. "God in three persons" is not terminology I had read in the bible, so it was easy to say "that's not biblical." I did not know what the terms mean to Trinitarians. So that objection does not adequately explain my current position in regard to the Trinitarian doctrine.

Subsequent to my making those statements, in the same document, I also said, "Anyway, there are lots of good reasons to reject the Trinity. I'll just say that I like to describe God and the Son of God using only the scriptures. That is good enough for me and for anyone."
http://oraclesofgod.org/doctrine/02_on_the_doctrine_of_the_trinity.htm

Unless I am misunderstanding what this person is attempting to say?

You did indeed misunderstand what this person was attempting to say. I am the one who said it so I will clarify. What you are looking at is a snapshot of my progress. I was educated by non-trinitarian groups. I agree with the trinitarian teaching, even if I disagree with trinitarian authoritarianism.

Even so, I don't see how that has any bearing on my music which was what other poster posted a link to. My music is word for word a repetition of the scriptures. I don't think you realize that the link was actually to music. You seem very ready to find fault and jump to conclusions. I suppose you were born full informed and fully sanctified.
 
You did indeed misunderstand what this person was attempting to say. I am the one who said it so I will clarify. What you are looking at is a snapshot of my progress. I was educated by non-trinitarian groups. I agree with the trinitarian teaching, even if I disagree with trinitarian authoritarianism.

Even so, I don't see how that has any bearing on my music which was what other poster posted a link to. My music is word for word a repetition of the scriptures. I don't think you realize that the link was actually to music. You seem very ready to find fault and jump to conclusions. I suppose you were born full informed and fully sanctified.
Well good, you can speak for your self rather than have someone else speak for you.....that's always better......
trinitarian authoritarianism
That's a good starting place.....
BTW, didn't listen to the music......
I suppose you were born full informed and fully sanctified.
Nah, came about it the usual way.....how 'bout you?
 
In Revelation 17:5 we are told the woman that sat upon many waters and the scarlet colored beast had a name written upon her forehead; " MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." Many try to confine this MOTHER OF HARLOTS to a city in the the past, or even in the present day, like a brick and mortar city yet to come called "Babylon the great", or the great city of Jerusalem of old. But it takes people to make up a city, and cities don’t commit abominations but rather people do.

Hello Brothers and Sisters. Been away awhile, my Heart condition got worse, (had a heart attack in April) and I had to get some more attention, doing much better now, Thanks to the Lord no doubt. God has seemed to deal with me on this subject in the last few months, so here is my understanding of Babylon/Harlot. (Two different entities.) Prophecy is my calling and God has opened up much to me in these last few months.

There is no MYSTERY Babylon, the Angel in Rev 17:7 says why did you marvel, come and I will show you the Mystery (Secret by Gods Silence) of the woman (Harlot) and the Beast she rides on. So it is explained to us, yet we still call it a Mystery, because we do not listen very good. HINT: Babylon is not Rome, Babylon proper, Jerusalem, NYC or the USA, it is not Mecca or the RCC it is not even a City.

The Beast is explained first by the Angel, it sits on Seven Mountains which are Seven Rulers that arise, (no seven hills or actual mountains) this is the Same as the Seven Headed Beast of Rev. 13 and 17. The Angel says of these Seven Kings, Five have fallen, ONE IS, and one is YET TO COME. We see in Rev. 13 that the Beasts of the book of Daniel are a part of this Seven Headed Beast in Rev. 13 because the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) was a part of this Seven Headed Beast in Rev. 13 and 17. So we have to ask what made them a Beast ? What commonality do they have !! Well Babylon, Persia, Greece and even Rome all Conquered, Enslaved or Ruled Israel thus they were a BEAST....This is why powers such as the USSR, China, British Empire and the United States are NOT BEASTS. So all we have to do is figure out the other three Beasts. Lets see, Egypt, and Assyria Conquered/Enslaved Israel and the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings will also Conquer Israel (Abomination of Desolation), so we have the Seven Kings/Kingdoms.

FIVE have Fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) ONE IS (Rome was ruling over Israel when John wrote Revelation) and ONE IS YET TO COME (Anti-Christ and 10 Kings). The Mystery has been Revealed, we just need to LISTEN to the Angel in Chapter 17. Now who is the Harlot ?

The Angel explains the Water she sits on is People, Tongues, Multitudes and Nations. So she is worldwide, but in Rev. 17:16 the Harlot is destroyed by the Kings in League with the Beast (The Anti-Christ becomes a Beast when he Conquers Israel) but WHY ? These Two have been together for centuries but now the Harlot is destroyed by the Beast !!

The Harlot, is All FALSE RELIGION.....The Anti-Christ demands to be Worshiped by all people remember, or else they will perish or be done away with. He has to do away with ALL RELIGIONS in order to gain the status of GOD which he seeks !! He comes after Israel, who Flee unto the Wilderness where God protects them (Rev. 12) for 1260 Days, he comes against Christians to behead them, and no doubt he will destroy Islam, Buddhism and ALL RELIGIONS, thus the Harlot is Judged. We know the Harlot of Rev. 17 is not the Babylon of Rev. 18, the Kings HATE the Harlot but Cry and Lament Babylons Destruction in Rev. 18. They are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

The Harlot = All False Religion

Babylon = All False Governments

The Harlot is Destroyed and Judged because in the Anti-Christs heart he wants to be God/Worshiped as God, so he an allow for no other gods or Religions. He will destroy all religions, thereby he also destroys the Harlot.

Babylon is Destroyed by Gods plagues in Rev. 18, her commerce is destroyed, CHECK, plagues from God will do that, it says in Rev. 18 that Babylon is the habitation of devils, well Satan is cast down and Apollyon and his horde of Demons is released from the bottomless pit in Rev. 9, so they reside in Babylon. WHAT IS BABYLON ? The last head of the Seven Headed Beast, the last False, anti-God Government system. God sees them as Babylon when he destroys them. This can be proved or backed up by Scriptures.....Babylon is a MEMORY BY GOD not an actual City or Country.

So the 6th Vial is poured out and the Nations of the earth are gathered together against Israel at Meggido. Then the 7th Vial is poured out and God/Jesus Destroys them at Armageddon. (Zechariah 14, Jesus sets foot on the Mt. of Olives, an earthquake splits it into) And when this happens, GOD REMEMBERS BABYLON !! It is a Memory by God, not a City.

Revelation 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. (In Reality there is no Rev. 17 and 18 IT IS DONE means Rev. 19 happens next, 17 happened at the Abomination of Desolation in Rev. 6 and/or 7 and Rev. 18 is only Babylon/The Last Beast Head being destroyed by Gods Plagues/Trumpets/Vials in Rev. 16 an maybe earlier.)

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: (Babylon) and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

God sees the Anti-Christ and his 10 Kings and the other Nations they entice to come against Israel as BABYLON THE GREAT !! It is not a City or a Country, it is a FALSE GOVERNMENT that tried to rule just like Babylon, without God as its God.

That is what the Lord has revealed unto me. I don't know others opinions. This is what God has shown me. God Bless
 
We see in Rev. 13 that the Beasts of the book of Daniel are a part of this Seven Headed Beast in Rev. 13 because the Lion (Babylon) Bear (Persia) and Leopard (Greece) was a part of this Seven Headed Beast in Rev. 13 and 17. So we have to ask what made them a Beast


What made them a Beast? Because they were kings.

Daniel 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

The fourth beast to arise out of the earth was the Son of David, Jesus Christ.
 
Everyone comes to all these theorys of who the women is, and there all right in there part, because its the entire fallen world.

In the world, not of the world. When someones eyes are opened they can see mystery babylon, in the world, not of the world.

Every nation is a harlot. The waters where the woman sits is peoples, multitudes, nations and tounges.
 
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The Lord is not talking about coming out of a small city like Jerusalem, but out of the wicked ways of the world.
OK! Finally!
I concluded almost the same thing but just from the fact that merchants mourned because they didn't have anyone to buy their products. That being the case, the harlot seems to represent the economic system of the world which is based on debt (enslavement to debt) and consumption (enslavement to gratifying the flesh) and exploitation (enslavement of humanity through economic control.)
 
All through the Bible it was Israel that God called a whore.
Matthew 23:37 tells who killed and Martyred the Saints and Prophets.
Verse 38 tells us the "House of Israel" is left desolate.....which can also be tied in with the abomination that leaves desolate.
Israel is the Babylon spoken of in Revelations.
Paul told what an actual Jew is.......
Romans 2:28,29
I believe this to be the Church
 
All through the Bible it was Israel that God called a whore.
Not quite.
He also called Israel His chosen People (at least 8 times) and the Apply of His eye. ( Zec 2:8)
Israel is the Babylon spoken of in Revelations.
When Babylon is destroyed, it is the merchants who mourn because there is no one to buy their products. (Rev 18:11) That would be an entire economic system, not a tiny nation of about 9 million people.
Paul told what an actual Jew is....... Romans 2:28,29 I believe this to be the Church
Paul also said that the church was grafted into Israel, the "holy root." (Ro 11:16ff)
A whore and Babylon are not properly described as a "holy root."

iakov the fool
 
Not quite.
He also called Israel His chosen People (at least 8 times) and the Apply of His eye. ( Zec 2:8)

When Babylon is destroyed, it is the merchants who mourn because there is no one to buy their products. (Rev 18:11) That would be an entire economic system, not a tiny nation of about 9 million people.

Paul also said that the church was grafted into Israel, the "holy root." (Ro 11:16ff)
A whore and Babylon are not properly described as a "holy root."

iakov the fool
Sorry........Israel is the only ones who killed the Saints,Prophets,Christ.Stephen and tried to kill Paul.
One can only go by what the Bible teaches.Also remember Judah(the Jews) and House of Israel(non Jewish)
are all Israelis.
 
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