Mueller gets closer

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  1. Barbarian

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    Trump says Mueller could cross a 'red line' by digging into his finances — and he now appears to be doing just that
    President Donald Trump acknowledged in an interview with The New York Times published Wednesday that there was a certain red line he thought special counsel Robert Mueller shouldn't cross while carrying out the Russia investigation: digging into his finances.


    On Thursday, it emerged that Mueller was expanding his investigation to do just that.

    Asked by Times reporters Michael Schmidt and Maggie Haberman about whether an investigation into Trump's finances would be a breach of a "red line," Trump answered, "I would say yeah."
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    Mueller is tasked with overseeing the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, and that includes whether Trump's campaign colluded with Russian officials. Mueller's team is already investigating the finances of White House senior adviser Jared Kushner, with federal prosecutors also taking a look at the financial dealings of Trump associates such as former campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn.

    http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/AT6mJ...m/skarp-razor-shaves-hair-with-a-laser-2015-9
     
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  2. Potluck

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    Lets add one detail that article conveniently left out.
    Trump is talking about family finances unrelated to Russia.
     
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  3. Barbarian

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    Except he says, maybe Russians were involved but it didn't mean anything. That remains to be seen.

    As Bill Clinton learned, these investigations start to grow and often, they end up finding stuff far from the initial interest. Trump's shocked that he's going to be held to the same standard as everyone else.
     
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    SCHMIDT: Last thing, if Mueller was looking at your finances and your family finances, unrelated to Russia — is that a red line?

    HABERMAN: Would that be a breach of what his actual charge is?

    TRUMP: I would say yeah. I would say yes. By the way, I would say, I don’t — I don’t — I mean, it’s possible there’s a condo or something, so, you know, I sell a lot of condo units, and somebody from Russia buys a condo, who knows? I don’t make money from Russia. In fact, I put out a letter saying that I don’t make — from one of the most highly respected law firms, accounting firms. I don’t have buildings in Russia. They said I own buildings in Russia. I don’t. They said I made money from Russia. I don’t. It’s not my thing. I don’t, I don’t do that. Over the years, I’ve looked at maybe doing a deal in Russia, but I never did one. Other than I held the Miss Universe pageant there eight, nine years [crosstalk].
     
  5. Barbarian

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    Trump said:
    They said I made money from Russia. I don’t. It’s not my thing. I don’t, I don’t do that.

    Well, let's take a look...


    “So when I got in the cart with Eric,” Dodson says, “as we were setting off, I said, ‘Eric, who’s funding? I know no banks—because of the recession, the Great Recession—have touched a golf course. You know, no one’s funding any kind of golf construction. It’s dead in the water the last four or five years.’ And this is what he said. He said, ‘Well, we don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.’ I said, ‘Really?’ And he said, ‘Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time.’ Now that was three years ago, so it was pretty interesting.”
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course

    A number of reports have indicated the Trump Organization received substantial financing from Russia when the business was struggling in the mid 1990s and again during the Great Recession, since major U.S. banks had refused to loan money to him. Most recently, Reuters reported that a group of 63 Russia billionaires have invested nearly $100 million in several Trump properties in Florida. Donald Trump Jr. himself famously said in 2008 that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course

    So, it would be easy to check, if Trump wasn't the first presidential candidate in modern times to refuse to open his tax returns. This, apparently is why he chose to hide them from us.
     
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  6. Potluck

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    Theres nothing there Barbarian. Meuller should not be dabbling in family finances unrelated to Russia. And I seriously doubt that he will.

    A nothing burger, again, but the media is trying to spin it into something intentionally omitting parts of the conversation.
     
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    Barbie and the other rabid Democrats really don't care to bother to get details straight. Why let facts and the truth get in the way of a juicy story?
     
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    Hm were we imposing sanctions on Russia in 2008,and the mid 90s?

    No.nothing illegal.
     
  9. Barbarian

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    Apparently, he's already into it. And Trump's comments suggest that there's a reason he's hiding this stuff.

    He could blow it away tomorrow, just by doing what every other presidential candidate has done: release his tax returns.

    But he's already calculated that hiding them will hurt him less than revealing them. That, and the contradictory statements about how much Russian involvement in his finances went on, suggest that there's good reason to look around.
     
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    Given their lack of insight during last year's election, I'd think they'd be a bit more humble about their opinions. Maybe they don't understand yet that people don't give a damn what they have to say.
     
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    I think it has to do with obsessive compulsive disorder; they just can't let go of losing the election so they constantly have to post threads attacking the administration. Someone should tell them to seek treatment for OCD, they will live a happier life for it.
     
  12. Mozart's Starling

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    Barbarian I don't know what keeps you posting like you do XD. No harm meant by me saying this, more as a joke than anything, but if you posted a pic of Trump sleeping with the Russian flag as a cover in bed, no one here would be affected by it. Everyone by now has their mind made up. I fall on your side regarding Trump but we are definitely the minority lol.
     
  13. Potluck

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    Lol
    After the two scoops of ice cream hysteria is it any wonder? :lol
     
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    Or the 'Vagina Challenge".......liberalism is a disease.....
    Laugh of the Day
     
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  15. Barbarian

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    Take one look at my office, and you'd back away from that one. Possibly the worst call you've ever made, even considering some of your stuff here. I'm a basic I/ENTP, about as far from OCD as it's humanly possible to get.

    You guys just can't let go of winning the election so you constantly have to post rationalizations denying what's happening to Trump and Co.

    Oh, and the INTP strengths and weaknesses:
    • Great Analysts and Abstract Thinkers – People with the INTP personality type view the world as a big, complex machine, and recognize that as with any machine, all parts are interrelated. INTPs excel in analyzing these connections, seeing how seemingly unrelated factors tie in with each other in ways that bewilder most other personality types.
    • Imaginative and Original – These connections are the product of an unrelenting imagination – INTPs’ ideas may seem counter-intuitive at a glance, and may never even see the light of day, but they will always prove remarkable innovations.
    • Open-Minded – INTPs couldn’t make these connections if they thought they knew it all – they are highly receptive to alternate theories, so long as they’re supported by logic and facts. In more subjective matters like social norms and traditions, INTPs are usually fairly liberal, with a "none of my business" sort of attitude – peoples’ ideas are what matter.
    • Enthusiastic – When a new idea piques their interest, INTPs can be very enthusiastic – they are a reserved personality type, but if another person shares an interest, they can be downright excited about discussing it. More likely though, the only outward evidence of this enthusiasm will be INTPs’ silent pacing or their staring into the distance.
    • Objective – INTPs’ analysis, creativity and open-mindedness aren’t the tools of some quest for ideology or emotional validation. Rather, it’s as though people with the INTP personality type are a conduit for the truths around them, so far as they can be expressed, and they are proud of this role as theoretical mediator.
    • Honest and Straightforward – To know one thing and say another would be terribly disingenuous – INTPs don’t often go around intentionally hurting feelings, but they believe that the truth is the most important factor, and they expect that to be appreciated and reciprocated.
    • Very Private and Withdrawn – While INTPs’ intellectualism yields many insights into their surroundings, their surroundings are ironically considered an intrusion on their thoughts. This is especially true with people – INTPs are quite shy in social settings. More complicated situations such as parties exacerbate this, but even close friends struggle to get into INTPs’ hearts and minds.
    • Insensitive – Oftentimes INTP personalities get so caught up in their logic that they forget any kind of emotional consideration – they dismiss subjectivity as irrational and tradition as an attempt to bar much-needed progress. Purely emotional situations are often utterly puzzling to INTPs, and their lack of timely sympathy can easily offend.
    • Absent-minded – When INTPs’ interest is captured, their absence goes beyond social matters to include the rest of the physical world. INTPs become forgetful, missing even the obvious if it’s unrelated to their current infatuation, and they can even forget their own health, skipping meals and sleep as they muse.
    • Condescending – Attempts at connecting with others are often worse than INTPs’ withdrawal. People with the INTP personality type take pride in their knowledge and rationale, and enjoy sharing their ideas, but in trying to explain how they got from A to B to Z, they can get frustrated, sometimes simplifying things to the point of insult as they struggle to gauge their conversation partners’ perspective. The ultimate insult comes as INTPs give up with a dismissive "never mind".
    • Loathe Rules and Guidelines – These social struggles are partly a product of INTPs’ desire to bypass the rules, of social conduct and otherwise. While this attitude helps INTPs’ strength of unconventional creativity, it also causes them to reinvent the wheel constantly and to shun security in favor of autonomy in ways that can compromise both.
    • Second-Guess Themselves – INTPs remain so open to new information that they often never commit to a decision at all. This applies to their own skills as well – INTP personalities know that as they practice, they improve, and any work they do is second-best to what they could do. Unable to settle for this, INTPs sometimes delay their output indefinitely with constant revisions, sometimes even quitting before they ever begin.
     
  16. Barbarian

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    See above. It's kinda fun.

    Most message boards have people that read this stuff, but don't take part. The arguments here are mostly for them, not for those already persuaded. People with the most extreme posts are the most useful in this process.

    People on the right aren't any more likely to be stupid than those on the left. So here's where one can do the most good.
     
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    I've never really been curious about my psychoanalysis. Nobody would care except me anyway. :lol

    Let go of winning? Everyone knows the election was stolen from Hillary. It's a fact. Just ask her. Besides, what with all the factual evidence the left has accumulated, well, who could possibly deny it.

    :chin

    :hysterical
     
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    Fair enough. Oh don't forget to make a thread about the latest Sessions revelation. :)
     
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    You mean WaPo's report from anonymous sources of what some ambassador told his superiors that was picked up by unnamed US spy agencies supposedly listening to the conversation?

    "The outlet (WaPo) noted that Russians and diplomats from other countries have reported false information in the past to impress their bosses or confuse the intelligence agencies listening in on conversations."

    Did he get two scoops of ice cream? Enquiring minds want to know. :biggrin
     
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    Laugh while you can. I know a sinking ship when I see it lol. ;) I look forward to being on the right side of history. :tongue
     
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