My Love for Joyce Meyer

[jasoncran]

I did not say all, I said many, Be Be & Ce Ce Winans, Donnie Mcklercen, I spelled that wrong. Kirk, Franklin, Fred Hammond, Hezekiah Walker, Shirley Caesar, Mahalia Jackson was the first black rich one. You also have Mary Mary, and Israel Houghton, the Winan family, and also Vicki Winan, Sandy Pattie, and many, many more, these people put in a lot of time in to this so what is wrong with a nice big house. And there is still more, but I am not going to sit here, and try to prove how rich all Gospel singers and musicians are. Now there are some who never get the big money, as a matter of fact there are a lot of them. But that does not go for everybody

some of those i listen to. i have mixed feelings about caesar and kirk franklin.

mary mary, blah

keep in mind most of those have BIG LABELS.

lewis your a musican , you know that holy spirit doesnt give inspiration all the time.

any musican under label is under a pressure to produce. and tis all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to those co.

with god its just the opposite. sometimes in the business of making $$$ in ccm or even gospel music, the lord is shoved away.

i say this as we have ccm dove awards,

rewards on this earth for what? producing record sales. you know full well that with emmys that often its not the best singer that wins but the one that produces the most.

i'm not saying that none of those musicians arent called but that its like a business. and it is.

i think we shouldnt reward musician like that are called to be in that ministry, not that we shouldnt appreciate them.

but a dove award to me is compromise.

we know have christian talent shows, and so on.

 

[sherri2]

i'm not attacking her personally. you may think i am.

well you're right there.

the hate site (which was a bit of a giveaway) that you posted would poison anyone silly enough to miss it for what it was.

and you've still done nothing but accuse regarding her planes. you've given no evidence to show that it isn't a money saver ultimatly.


and if you have a problem with christians being wealthy, maybe you've missed the point of the book you base your faith on.

 

[Nick]

Actually I'd never thought about the planes saving money. If so, then that's probably a good idea. I think we need to be more concerned about her teaching, if it is 'dodgy'.

 

[Lewis]

Joyce's teachings help to save peoples lives, because she meets them where they are at. And God has anointed her to teach that way. God raises up different kinds of preachers, and in some He gives a special gift for teaching and preaching on different things. What these preachers have is a ( Method ) they have a different type of method to their teaching and preaching, and some just don't get it.

 

[jasoncran]

Joyce's teachings help to save peoples lives, because she meets them where they are at. And God has anointed her to teach that way. God raises up different kinds of preachers, and in some He gives a special gift for teaching and preaching on different things. What these preachers have is a ( Method ) they have a different type of method to their teaching and preaching, and some just don't get it.

dont assume that those outside of pentacostal circles dont get it. uponemanship isnt indenigous just to pentacostals.
some other pastor are funny as duplantis.

imho bob coy of the active word is very funny as he uses real life scenerios with a humorous way of explaining what we do and then also talks to himself.

personalites arent the same as the annointing, the annointing is only from God and spending time with him. nothing mystyical about that.

 

[Dusty]

Joyce's teachings help to save peoples lives, because she meets them where they are at. And God has anointed her to teach that way. God raises up different kinds of preachers, and in some He gives a special gift for teaching and preaching on different things. What these preachers have is a ( Method ) they have a different type of method to their teaching and preaching, and some just don't get it.

Yes , I do agree with that . I for one would never criticise lest I can do better which I know God has not called me to do . God has a special plan and purpose for each of us and our giftings are not all the same . That is why we are all unique in our own way .

I may be ministering to people on a small scale but I know where God wants me and I am functioning in a way to please Him not man .

You know there will always be those who do not agree and that's ok cause God made each of us different.


Imagine what it would be like if all of us were a " cookie cutter " of each other.

Hmmm .... I say dull and boring ...

 

[Dusty]

personalites arent the same as the annointing, the annointing is only from God and spending time with him. nothing mystyical about that.

Of course the annointing is only from God . OUr time spend in quietness with God , listening to Him is invaluable and we cannot expect a blessings from Him if we are not fellowshipping and spending time with Him . He desires to have our whole heart and how can we give Him our heart by just once in while picking up the Bible , dusting it off , saying a quick prayer and off we go .

No , It won't work . We were created by God to have communion with Him . We cannot build our faith in Him by it just being one sided .

If we have a friend or spouse , do we just let them do the talking or visa versa or do we spend time with them to cultivate a relationship ?

Jesus wants to part of our every day life no matter where we go , do or say . That's why we can call Him our Friend , a Freind that sticks closer than a brother.

 

[jasoncran]

i havent listen to meyer nor duplantis, in years. in fact most of the charismatic churches here arent nothing like them.

i want what God has, so that i dont have to go to meyer or duplantis to get healed or delivered.

one doenst need to go to a benny hinn tent to get the healing when in the bible it says if any man is sick let him got to the elders and let the elders pray, and if he has sinned he will be forgiven and the prayer of faith shall heal the sick.
no stupid signs, acts or horns needed, just pray and wait for that healin.

 

[xAmbientxCatalystx]

Why does it seem to me at least, that all the Joyce Meyer fans here are dancing around the false doctrine she teaches? It's been mentioned several times in this thread.

My previous post mentions it, as well as the post of another person (GojuBrian).

Since nobody has yet responded to the direct and clear false teachings, it is almost worrisome.

I don't care about the jets, planes, money, whatever. Jesus said His own bit about the rich man, my concern is the absolutely absurd doctrine she teaches. The bible warns us about these people, it's time to stop being ostriches with our heads buried in the sand.

 

[jasoncran]

you mean when meyer teaches about hell and jesus went there and took our place?

that is most unbiblical.

 

[watchman F]

Joyce Meyer is a great communicater of the gosple, and is being used by God is a wonderful way. Most of what she teachesis right on.

 

[watchman F]

Why does it seem to me at least, that all the Joyce Meyer fans here are dancing around the false doctrine she teaches? It's been mentioned several times in this thread.

My previous post mentions it, as well as the post of another person (GojuBrian).

Since nobody has yet responded to the direct and clear false teachings, it is almost worrisome.

I don't care about the jets, planes, money, whatever. Jesus said His own bit about the rich man, my concern is the absolutely absurd doctrine she teaches. The bible warns us about these people, it's time to stop being ostriches with our heads buried in the sand.

Name her false teaching A C, dont just claim she says false things.

 

[watchman F]

you mean when meyer teaches about hell and jesus went there and took our place?

that is most unbiblical.

I wouldn't call it ''most unbiblical''

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

 

[Lewis]

Yeah Watchman, I really don't care how people feel about Joyce, I think she is a great woman of God. To me they don't know what they are talking about. She brings people to God with her method of preaching, and what are the people who are pointing their fingers at her doing for the kingdom ?

 

[xAmbientxCatalystx]

Watchman said: Name her false teaching A C, dont just claim she says false things.

>> Well watchman, I already addressed a few of them earlier in this thread, just read back a couple of post as I doubt the staff would appreciate mass repeat posting. And I just touched on the tip of the iceberg.

Watchman said: I wouldn't call it ''most unbiblical''

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

>> That verse is completely irrelevant to this conversation. That verse has not a thing to do with Jesus Christ taking our place in hell as Joyce Meyer teaches. The work of Salvation was finished on the cross, his decent into the depths of the earth to speak to those in prison was not for our benefit, but for those who were in the prison. How do I know this? The bible says so.

 

[watchman F]

Watchman said: I wouldn't call it ''most unbiblical''

Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

>> That verse is completely irrelevant to this conversation. That verse has not a thing to do with Jesus Christ taking our place in hell as Joyce Meyer teaches. The work of Salvation was finished on the cross, his decent into the depths of the earth to speak to those in prison was not for our benefit, but for those who were in the prison. How do I know this? The bible says so.

It is one thing to oppos her interpretation on one to two subjects, but to call something ''most unbiblical'' because you yhave a differnt nterpretation is another. You can call it wrong, or incorrect teaching/ interpretation. Hoever it is not totally unbiblical because there is scripture that says Jesus went to Hell.

 

[watchman F]

Joyce Meyer in all of her prosperity nonsense, also teaches that we are "little gods".

She also gets into this whole thing about Jesus going to hell for us, being tormented by demons, and all this really odd theology.

She claims in her book that Jesus went to hell on our behalf to pay the price for our sins.

Quoted from her book:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]"There is no choice of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell."

[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica] "Jesus went to hell for you."

[/FONT][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]"He paid the price there."

Now correct me if I'm wrong but does the bible not teach the Jesus paid the price for our sins on the cross? Not in hell. Jesus didn't go to hell for us, the bible teaches that he went into prison to witness to those who were there. (1 Peter 3:18-20)

If Jesus went to hell to finish paying for our sins then what on earth did "It is Finished" mean? Nothing.

Be careful little children what you hear, for there are many preaching false doctrine, there are wolves in sheep's clothing lurking all around us, I say this not to discourage anyone, but to enlighten them. May God bless you.
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If that s the worse you can come up with then I think I'm good in thnking she is a good teacher. I know of no Pastor, Teacher ect... that has perfect theology. So what if she thinks Jesus went to Hell, I know of any preachers that think that. What about all the crazys that think fallen angels procreated with women, or those that think all non-trin are going to Hell ect.. I can come up with hundreds of incorrect teachings taught by good teachers.

 

[Mike]

It is one thing to oppos her interpretation on one to two subjects, but to call something ''most unbiblical'' because you yhave a differnt nterpretation is another. You can call it wrong, or incorrect teaching/ interpretation. Hoever it is not totally unbiblical because there is scripture that says Jesus went to Hell.

Watchman, I believe, in defending Meyer, you're being over-critical of his wording. If someone says to a person, "That was most unkind.", does that mean he's telling him that he did the worst thing imaginable? He didn't say it was "the most unbiblical thing". He said it was "most unbiblical". IMO, there's a difference.

It's also my opinion that there is a difference between Jesus descending to hell to minister to the imprisoned than it is to say He was tortured there. God, while, not in the body, but in the Spirit, was allowed to be tortured by a spirit that He Created?!! :o

The bigger thing to me is her prosperity preaching; that we can have riches in life if our faith is strong enough. Some people don't buy into that and are able to overlook it for her theology that is biblical. Fine. But what of those who do buy into this? Now, they are bound to run into issues with their faith. "Am I in want because I don't have faith? Am I even saved? I'm not doing something right, obviously, or I'd have that big home!"

I realize there are few, if any, preachers to are 100% biblically correct. Rather than ignore them all, we test what they say and dismiss what we are led to dismiss. But, I believe strongly she is in error with these to points.

 

[watchman F]

Watchman, I believe, in defending Meyer, you're being over-critical of his wording. If someone says to a person, "That was most unkind.", does that mean he's telling him that he did the worst thing imaginable? He didn't say it was "the most unbiblical thing". He said it was "most unbiblical". IMO, there's a difference.

It's also my opinion that there is a difference between Jesus descending to hell to minister to the imprisoned than it is to say He was tortured there. God, while, not in the body, but in the Spirit, was allowed to be tortured by a spirit that He Created?!! :o

The bigger thing to me is her prosperity preaching; that we can have riches in life if our faith is strong enough. Some people don't buy into that and are able to overlook it for her theology that is biblical. Fine. But what of those who do buy into this? Now, they are bound to run into issues with their faith. "Am I in want because I don't have faith? Am I even saved? I'm not doing something right, obviously, or I'd have that big home!"

I realize there are few, if any, preachers to are 100% biblically correct. Rather than ignore them all, we test what they say and dismiss what we are led to dismiss. But, I believe strongly she is in error with these to points.

Actually I am total agreement with your post.

My main point is that her belief is not unbiblical, but an incorrect interpretation of a scripture, and that she is a good teacher regardless of her flaws.

 

[jasoncran]

hmm i will listen meyer when i have a chance.

even faiththattransforms doesnt think much of her.