New non-Christian on the forum

[TheBeardedDude]

How do you suppose that there is not such thing as neutrality? Most of the founding fathers probably maintained some form of belief (perhaps mainly deistic but some could certainly be argued to be christian) and they were secularists.

 

[farouk]

How do you suppose that there is not such thing as neutrality? Most of the founding fathers probably maintained some form of belief (perhaps mainly deistic but some could certainly be argued to be christian) and they were secularists.

Generations of believers worldwide haven't gotten their Biblical certainty from the US's founding fathers. I'm not in the US, either.

When lawyers and politicians purportedly talk about being neutral, you may be aware that Christians so often think they are being hostile to all revealed religion. As was Thomas Paine. As was Jefferson.

But we are talking in circles I think. The bottom line is we need redemption. We need the Redeemer. Wittgenstein said that if he believed that God raised the Lord Jesus from the dead (which I indeed do believe), his starting point would not be that he would be convinced rationally and therefore believe; rather, it would mean that he would be redeemed.

Unless we admit that we are sinners in need of redemption, it really becomes a pointless, circular exercise.

 

[TheBeardedDude]

You've gotten off topic now. I think we may have reached the end of our ability to communicate with one another.

 

[farouk]

You've gotten off topic now. I think we may have reached the end of our ability to communicate with one another.

Actually you introduced the matter of the mindset of the US's founding fathers. Keeping on topic means bringing the discussion back constantly to what the Bible says, assuming that you are willing to read it and find out (which you may not be).

 

[TheBeardedDude]

I was addressing your comment about secularity and non-neutrality.