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I was just wondering, in the song "Away In A Manger" why does everybody believe that the line "but the little Lord Jesus no crying He makes" mean that Jesus didn't cry at all? The shortest verse in the Bible says that He definitely did cry. Crying out of sorrow, pain, or trying to communicate when you can't talk yet isn't sinful. So I think it's safe to say that Jesus did cry as a baby just like all babies do.


 
I was just wondering, in the song "Away In A Manger" why does everybody believe that the line "but the little Lord Jesus no crying He makes" mean that Jesus didn't cry at all? The shortest verse in the Bible says that He definitely did cry. Crying out of sorrow, pain, or trying to communicate when you can't talk yet isn't sinful. So I think it's safe to say that Jesus did cry as a baby just like all babies do.


How do you know everybody believes that is what it means?
 
I was just wondering, in the song "Away In A Manger" why does everybody believe that the line "but the little Lord Jesus no crying He makes" mean that Jesus didn't cry at all? The shortest verse in the Bible says that He definitely did cry. Crying out of sorrow, pain, or trying to communicate when you can't talk yet isn't sinful. So I think it's safe to say that Jesus did cry as a baby just like all babies do.


Belive also was a normal baby cried as all babies do
Even kept Joseph Mary awake with sleepiness nights
:cross:coke:thinking
 
I think it was just a line that sounded good that they put in the song, but it has no basis in reality. Jesus had (and has) so much compassion for people that I'm sure He wept more than the one time, before He raised Lazarus from the dead.

Even though most people probably think that when Jesus's work on the cross was finished, that He has not cried or felt sorrow since then? I doubt that could be accurate even now. He has to see and watch His children being abused and hurt, and His people turning away from Him...I bet He cries often, even now.

In fact, now that I think about it, I have heard testimonies of people who have said that Jesus cried during their visitation or spiritual encounter, for various reasons.
 
There have been instances where people get the notion that Jesus was different from other children in ways other than being sinless.
There were "gospels" about the young Jesus written in the first few hundred years AD that had Jesus doing things like striking kids dead who bumped into him. Portraying Him more like a powerful alien than a Savior.
And for some it's an uncomfortable thought that He cried, had an infant's normal bodily functions and had to learn to walk and talk and feed Himself.
But His brothers and sisters were troubled by His ministry when He was an adult. They grew up with Him yet did not grasp who He was. So beyond not sinning He must have seemed like a typical, though very good, human and not God/Man to them.
The people of Nazareth were surprised when He came to town by what He said and did. "Isn't this the carpenter's son?" they asked. They didn't seem to have witnessed things as He grew up that caused them to suspect He was the Son of God.
So, the songwriter pictured a unnaturally "good" baby that didn't cry. It's a bit misguided. There is something very special about the idea of God in the flesh growing up as human babies do, and then growing in wisdom and stature.
I think that was necessary for the one who would die for humankind's sins.
 
There have been instances where people get the notion that Jesus was different from other children in ways other than being sinless.
There were "gospels" about the young Jesus written in the first few hundred years AD that had Jesus doing things like striking kids dead who bumped into him. Portraying Him more like a powerful alien than a Savior.
And for some it's an uncomfortable thought that He cried, had an infant's normal bodily functions and had to learn to walk and talk and feed Himself.
But His brothers and sisters were troubled by His ministry when He was an adult. They grew up with Him yet did not grasp who He was. So beyond not sinning He must have seemed like a typical, though very good, human and not God/Man to them.
The people of Nazareth were surprised when He came to town by what He said and did. "Isn't this the carpenter's son?" they asked. They didn't seem to have witnessed things as He grew up that caused them to suspect He was the Son of God.
So, the songwriter pictured a unnaturally "good" baby that didn't cry. It's a bit misguided. There is something very special about the idea of God in the flesh growing up as human babies do, and then growing in wisdom and stature.
I think that was necessary for the one who would die for humankind's sins.




Yeah, I know which "gospels" that you are referring to. First of all Jesus was and will forever be love and He loved the children and wanted all of them to come to Him. Like wow, how unbiblical can you possibly get? And second of all that's completely ridiculous. How could Mary and Joseph possibly have known when Jesus was hungry or wet if He didn't cry?


Like we both just stated of course He cried and had to learn all the things that we need to learn as babies and young children. He is sinless and the Son of God, but He was also human. The only thing I have never been clear on is if Jesus always knew right from wrong.


For example, a baby who throws his food on the ground isn't doing it to be naughty, he's just doing it because he thinks it's funny and he doesn't know any better yet.
 
That line in the song is a reference to the sinless perfection that Jesus lived in lifestyle and actions and emotions while here on Earth.

Jesus lived sinlessly when He was here...to become the perfect sacrifice for our sins.
 
That line in the song is a reference to the sinless perfection that Jesus lived in lifestyle and actions and emotions while here on Earth.

Jesus lived sinlessly when He was here...to become the perfect sacrifice for our sins.



I agree with that last part, but I thought that it was already established that crying in itself isn't a sin. Now it's safe to say that Jesus never went through the terrible two's, but the Bible does show that He did cry. John 11:35 So obviously He cried as an infant because crying is how babies communicate.
 
I agree with that last part, but I thought that it was already established that crying in itself isn't a sin. Now it's safe to say that Jesus never went through the terrible two's, but the Bible does show that He did cry. John 11:35 So obviously He cried as an infant because crying is how babies communicate.
It's called poetry...a metaphoric expression to say something. Doesn't mean it literally.

Like the time I caught my son up way too late past his bedtime...*his little feet were moving so fast they didn't even touch the floor...*

* Obvious hyperbole...overstated metaphoric expression.
 
It's called poetry...a metaphoric expression to say something. Doesn't mean it literally.

Like the time I caught my son up way too late past his bedtime...*his little feet were moving so fast they didn't even touch the floor...*

* Obvious hyperbole...overstated metaphoric expression.




Oh okay, that makes sense when you put it like that then. I just always took the meaning to be that Jesus wasn't crying just at that particular time. Anyways, it is still one of my favorite Christmas carols. :) What did you think about the other point I brought up though? Did Jesus instinctively know right from wrong? Or did He still have to be taught?



I personally think that it's the latter and even though Jesus always listened to and obeyed His parents, I still think that they had to parent Him to some extent and teach Him the difference between right and wrong and of course He always chose right afterwards. It sort of goes along with my thoughts that He still could have made mistakes that weren't considered sinful.



Like everybody knows Jesus was a carpenter, but what if He sometimes made mistakes with that? That wouldn't be considered sinful or anything just part of being human.
 
Oh okay, that makes sense when you put it like that then. I just always took the meaning to be that Jesus wasn't crying just at that particular time. Anyways, it is still one of my favorite Christmas carols. :) What did you think about the other point I brought up though? Did Jesus instinctively know right from wrong? Or did He still have to be taught?



I personally think that it's the latter and even though Jesus always listened to and obeyed His parents, I still think that they had to parent Him to some extent and teach Him the difference between right and wrong and of course He always chose right afterwards. It sort of goes along with my thoughts that He still could have made mistakes that weren't considered sinful.



Like everybody knows Jesus was a carpenter, but what if He sometimes made mistakes with that? That wouldn't be considered sinful or anything just part of being human.

Jesus was always fully man and fully God at the same time.
Meaning that at times there were missing bits of information kept from Jesus so He could have a pleasant surprise. But also so He could pray to his Father in heaven. But Jesus' divine nature meant that He knew instinctively right from wrong...and always did right.

And Jesus being a carpenter is a myth.
He was a TEKON in the Greek language... meaning precisely "general construction laborer" .

Nazareth was a segregated Jewish suburb of a huge Greek city named Sapphoris. It was made of stone. (The forests in this area had long been gone) People to this day are still carefully taking it apart and putting it back together because stone Mason's often put their names on the stones to get credit for their work and pay. If they find one with Jesus' name on it...big big deal.

But I'm digressing.
When the Bible was translated into English this thing about general construction laborer was known...stone masons were a big deal because everything was made from wood. All general construction laborers were Carpenters...and in the Ancient English language there wasn't a term for general construction laborer. So they just said "carpenter" to get the meaning across. The perpetuated myth of carpentry is from tradition rather than fact.
 
Jesus was always fully man and fully God at the same time.
Meaning that at times there were missing bits of information kept from Jesus so He could have a pleasant surprise. But also so He could pray to his Father in heaven. But Jesus' divine nature meant that He knew instinctively right from wrong...and always did right.

And Jesus being a carpenter is a myth.
He was a TEKON in the Greek language... meaning precisely "general construction laborer" .

Nazareth was a segregated Jewish suburb of a huge Greek city named Sapphoris. It was made of stone. (The forests in this area had long been gone) People to this day are still carefully taking it apart and putting it back together because stone Mason's often put their names on the stones to get credit for their work and pay. If they find one with Jesus' name on it...big big deal.

But I'm digressing.
When the Bible was translated into English this thing about general construction laborer was known...stone masons were a big deal because everything was made from wood. All general construction laborers were Carpenters...and in the Ancient English language there wasn't a term for general construction laborer. So they just said "carpenter" to get the meaning across. The perpetuated myth of carpentry is from tradition rather than fact.



Oh okay well that all makes sense and all but what about my other question? Whatever He did for a living I think that it's still possible that He made mistakes. Being perfect and being sinless are still two entirely different things in my book and I see your point about Him being divine, but I still have a hard time be living that Jesus was born knowing right from wrong even though He still always chose right.



After all He still had to learn to walk and talk and dress Himself just like any ordinary child. The Bible also says that He grew and matured in wisdom. Luke 2:52.
 
Oh okay well that all makes sense and all but what about my other question? Whatever He did for a living I think that it's still possible that He made mistakes. Being perfect and being sinless are still two entirely different things in my book and I see your point about Him being divine, but I still have a hard time be living that Jesus was born knowing right from wrong even though He still always chose right.



After all He still had to learn to walk and talk and dress Himself just like any ordinary child. The Bible also says that He grew and matured in wisdom. Luke 2:52.
It's another metaphoric expression...this time an ancient Greek/Roman expression...it's literal and figurative at the same time.
 
Yes... they've had expressions for a very long time...




Okay so,.. instead of Jesus growing in maturity and wisdom like that verse says,.. He basically had it all along? That's totally the opposite of me LOL! I'm an Inmature goofball! :hysterical Yep, things would be really different if I was a character in the Bible. It would a cross between a comedy and a horror story and I say that because I'm so scary that I scare myself. :shock


Like if I was Daniel once I knew that those lions wouldn't be able to hurt me I would turn into Rafiki and hold up one of their cubs like baby Simba and be like,.. "it's the circle of life,.." ROTFL!! :hysterical I apologize for this pointless comment I'm just in an extremely wound up mood right now. :tongue


 
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Okay so,.. instead of Jesus growing in maturity and wisdom like that verse says,.. He basically had it all along? That's totally the opposite of me LOL! I'm an Inmature goofball! :hysterical Yep, things would be really different if I was a character in the Bible. It would a cross between a comedy and a horror story and I say that because I'm so scary that I scare myself. :shock


Like if I was Daniel once I knew that those lions wouldn't be able to hurt me I would turn into Rafiki and hold up one of their cubs like baby Simba and be like,.. "it's the circle of life,.." ROTFL!! :hysterical I apologize for this pointless comment I'm just in an extremely wound up mood right now. :tongue
Ever practice with a bow and arrow?

Well that word "sin" actually literally means to miss the target.

Now to pick up a bow and arrow the very first time and hit the bullseye?

Probably not.

Jesus Emmanuel was here to have a complete human experience...to know us...to share the exact same emotions and feelings that we all commonly experience.

He understands every feeling and emotions we have.
In that Jesus had an unremarkable childhood...so very ordinary and boring in every respect so that He wouldn't stand out from everyone else.
There's only ONE story that stood out from Jesus' childhood...that time He went missing for three days in Jerusalem and was finally discovered in the Temple talking with the Priests and Rabbi. (Who were very impressed with him)

Jesus' mother went off like only a Jewish mother could with rapid fire questions and Jesus trying to answer them all...and all Mary could remember and hear was Jesus saying something about his real Father's House....(she was busy going off).
 
Ever practice with a bow and arrow?

Well that word "sin" actually literally means to miss the target.

Now to pick up a bow and arrow the very first time and hit the bullseye?

Probably not.

Jesus Emmanuel was here to have a complete human experience...to know us...to share the exact same emotions and feelings that we all commonly experience.

He understands every feeling and emotions we have.
In that Jesus had an unremarkable childhood...so very ordinary and boring in every respect so that He wouldn't stand out from everyone else.
There's only ONE story that stood out from Jesus' childhood...that time He went missing for three days in Jerusalem and was finally discovered in the Temple talking with the Priests and Rabbi. (Who were very impressed with him)

Jesus' mother went off like only a Jewish mother could with rapid fire questions and Jesus trying to answer them all...and all Mary could remember and hear was Jesus saying something about his real Father's House....(she was busy going off).



I understand, that all makes sense but while I was in the shower I was thinking about all the Bible stories I know and how they would be slightly different if I was involved with them and I think it could make a very interesting and humorous thread. For example, if I was Eve in the story of Adam and Eve, the moment I saw the serpent I would be pitching a fit since I loathe snakes.



First I would tell Adam to go get the shotgun and after he got confused what a shotgun was I'd run so fast out of that garden and tell him that he was on his own. :lol As not to derail this topic,..:topic but you have to admit that's hilarious right there! :hysterical
 
I did some reading on this but not a huge amount. My impression is the matter of Joseph and Jesus being carpenters or stone masons/builders is not settled.
Maybe this is not real evidence but I always had a notion a carpenter could build things anywhere he went. Not home's so much as farm implements, structures, some furnishings, ( though I don't believe they used chairs and tables and such that we do).
A lot of weight is put in the proximity of Nazareth to a city where a lot of new stone work was going on.
But apparently Joseph found work in Bethlehem and I expect Egypt unless they used the Magi's gifts to live on there. I would think carpentry could come in handy most anywhere.
 
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