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Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) -- The deadly protests in northern Afghanistan over a Quran burning spread to the country's war-torn southern region on Saturday, with provincial government officials reporting at least nine civilians dead and dozens injured.
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The violence struck the city of Kandahar when demonstrators took to the streets to protest the torching of Islam's most sacred book by a U.S. church.
The unrest followed a demonstration on Friday in the northern town of Mazar-e Sharif, in which five demonstrators and seven U.N. employees were killed when an angry throng stormed the U.N. compound there.
U.S. President Barack Obama on Saturday extended condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed in Mazar-e Sharif, but also decried the burning of the Quran.
"The desecration of any holy text ... is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry," he said in a statement released by the White House. "However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous, and an affront to human decency and dignity."
Besmellah Afghanmal, a Kandahar provincial council member, said hundreds gathered in Kandahar city to protest the Quran burning.
"Today the enemies of peace in Afghanistan killed and injured our people in Kandahar," said a statement from the office of the Kandahar governor.
The demonstration started peacefully, but protesters turned violent, setting fire to a school and vehicles in Kandahar city, said Zalmai Ayoubi, spokesman for the governor of Kandahar province.
Along with the nine deaths, 73 others were injured, the provincial government said.

Ayoubi said Afghan security forces arrested 17 people, including seven who were armed and are suspected of shooting at protesters.
Pastor Terry Jones sparked international controversy last year when his Gainesville, Florida, church planned "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Jones' church did not host a Quran burning on that day, but the Dove World Outreach Center's website announced an "International Judge the Koran Day" set for last month.
Another post on the site's blog showed an image of a burning book and read, "The event is over, the Koran was found guilty and a copy was burned inside the building."
Some witnesses in Kandahar said protesters were shot by police.
"I saw personally three people who (were) shot to death, and one of them was shot just next to me," protester Shah Meer said.
But police said they neither shot at nor killed anyone.
"There (was) gunfire into the air in order to bring the people under control, and luckily not one has been killed as a result of the gunfire," said Zemarai Bashari, spokesman for the interior ministry.
Meanwhile, a spokesman for the Taliban said the group was not behind any deaths during the event.
"What happened in Kandahar today was the feeling of the nation, and the Islamic movement of the Taliban was not involved in any (violence)," Zabiullah Mojahed said. "It was the Afghan police that killed the innocent people of Kandahar while they were expressing their feeling against the burning of holy Quran in Florida."
The Mazar-e Sharif killings generated worldwide condemnation, from the U.N. Security Council to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, a 57-state group that calls itself the "collective voice of the Muslim world."
Jones in a statement Friday called the assault "a very tragic and criminal action."
Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, a spokesman for the police in Mazar-e Sharif, told reporters that a number of suspects "who might be the main organizers" had been arrested from the Friday attack
The United Nations says the seven U.N. staffers killed were four Nepalese security guards and three civilians. A U.N. source said the three civilians were from Norway, Sweden and Romania.
U.N. Peacekeeping Director Alain Le Roy said five demonstrators also were killed. He said no Afghan U.N. staff members were among the dead, he said.
"I understand there were hundreds, if not thousands, of demonstrators. Some of them were clearly armed and they stormed into the building," Le Roy said.
He said the security guards tried their best to halt the demonstrators' advance, but were overwhelmed.
Le Roy said it was not clear that the United Nations was the target. "It happened to be the U.N. because the U.N. is on the ground."
Another 24 people were wounded, said Abdul Rauof Taj, security director of Balkh province.
The U.N. Security Council met Friday and issued a statement condemning the attack, which occurred at the operations center of the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, or UNAMA.
Haji Sakhi Mohammad, a businessman in Mazar-e Sharif, said the incident began after Friday prayers, when many people joined a protest against the burning of the Quran. People calling "Death to America" marched to the U.N. compound and broke in, he said. Gunfire broke out, and "I saw protesters shot to death," he said
A student in Mazar-e-Sharif said he and his friends joined the protesters, who numbered in the hundreds. "When we reached the UNAMA office, we came under gunfire by Afghan security guards. Protesters became angry and stormed the building."
Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari condemned the Quran burning during a speech before Pakistan's legislature on March 22.
"May I, at the outset, strongly condemn on behalf of the people of Pakistan and on my own behalf the deliberate desecration of the holy Quran by a fanatic in Florida," he said, according to a transcript of speech. "We condemn this act in the strongest possible words. ... It is a serious setback to the efforts at promoting harmony among civilized communities throughout the world."
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"May I, at the outset, strongly condemn on behalf of the people of Pakistan and on my own behalf the deliberate desecration of the holy Quran by a fanatic in Florida," he said, according to a transcript of speech. "We condemn this act in the strongest possible words. ... It is a serious setback to the efforts at promoting harmony among civilized communities throughout the world."
The many Christian martyrs that have been killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan by Muslims will be happy that the Quran (a doctrine of devils) has been burnt.
 
Burning a Quran is a useless and even childish act. Islam is an abhorant religion and should go the way of extinction, but simply burning an Islamic holy book does nothing but cause people to die [even if for the most absurd of reasons by backwards primative thinking people].

If you want to express your disagreement with any religion, do so with speech, . . . not with something that will have that blood on your hands, even if that blood is figurative [meaning if that church hadn't burned a Quran, no one would have been killed].

As for what "president" Obama said, . . . . . I don't really care.
 
So.... let me get this straight. A church over here in the USA burns a book, they riot over there killing some of their own innocent people. Makes sense. :screwloose
 
The many Christian martyrs that have been killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan by Muslims will be happy that the Quran (a doctrine of devils) has been burnt.
Well, to the extent that these Christian martyrs actually understood the gospel, they will not be happy at all.

Like flag-burning, Koran-burning is a carefully coded threat against people. In other words, whenever you burn a symbol that stands for a set of people, you are, whether you realize it or not, implying that the world will be better off without those people.

I am thankful that yours appears to be the minority opinion in respect to this disgraceful and hurtful action. No one is suggesting that the Koran speaks truth about God (although it may well do so in at least some places). But surely we are more mature than this "pastor" in Florida. Clearly burning a Koran (or a flag) satisfies some need in the person doing the burning. But it is clearly the last thing that will reach the Islamic world with the message of the gospel.
 
Well, to the extent that these Christian martyrs actually understood the gospel, they will not be happy at all.

Like flag-burning, Koran-burning is a carefully coded threat against people. In other words, whenever you burn a symbol that stands for a set of people, you are, whether you realize it or not, implying that the world will be better off without those people.

I am thankful that yours appears to be the minority opinion in respect to this disgraceful and hurtful action. No one is suggesting that the Koran speaks truth about God (although it may well do so in at least some places). But surely we are more mature than this "pastor" in Florida. Clearly burning a Koran (or a flag) satisfies some need in the person doing the burning. But it is clearly the last thing that will reach the Islamic world with the message of the gospel.

Perfect worded post in my opinion. Well said!

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what i dont get is that these muslims that are in afghanistan and or iraq often desecrate the very book themselves. i wish i read this before drill and i would have posted what the vets said.
 
I am thankful that yours appears to be the minority opinion in respect to this disgraceful and hurtful action. No one is suggesting that the Koran speaks truth about God (although it may well do so in at least some places). But surely we are more mature than this "pastor" in Florida. Clearly burning a Koran (or a flag) satisfies some need in the person doing the burning. But it is clearly the last thing that will reach the Islamic world with the message of the gospel.

Why are you trying to defend the Koran? So burning a Koran is going to make Muslims not believe the Bible? Do you really believe the Koran speaks truth in some places? A little leaven leavens the whole lump. These Muslims need to find out what is wrong with there Koran and what the Bible says to them.
 
Why are you trying to defend the Koran? So burning a Koran is going to make Muslims not believe the Bible? Do you really believe the Koran speaks truth in some places? A little leaven leavens the whole lump. These Muslims need to find out what is wrong with there Koran and what the Bible says to them.
if i punched you would that make you believe in the bible? or some proper theology?
 
In their Iron Age, primative, desert dwelling, sheep hearder mindset, . . . it probably did. :clap
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I want instead of Obama decrying one book that was burnt to decry the many churches, Christian homes, and Bibles that are continually burnt by muslims. And more than that the Christians who are beaten, enslaved, or killed by muslims on a daily basis. Yet, he is silent on these things.
 
Destroying some one else' s property or a symbol of value to them is that bit of leaven.

How do you know that the Koran that Pastor burnt is someone elses?

I think you need to understand what leaven is in the KJV Bible:

[FONT=arial,helvatica][SIZE=-1]"In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." (Luke 12:1)
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"Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
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These Muslims teach false doctrines from there false book called the Koran and they are hypocrites too. Because the Koran is hypocritical it says Muslims are to be peaceful and then to cut of the head of any infidels who refuse to convert to Islam or to any Muslim that converts to Christianity.
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Luk 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
Luk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

Luk 6:44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say
 
The many Christian martyrs that have been killed in Pakistan and Afghanistan by Muslims will be happy that the Quran (a doctrine of devils) has been burnt.

I don't believe this. Those martyrs would weep in sorrow to know that a fellow follower of Christ showed such hatred towards an entire people group by publicly stating and then burning their holy book. It's a matter of respect for your neighbor. Christ commanded us that we love our neighbor, and this Florida pastor failed. Those Christian martyrs in Pakistan and Afganistan gave their lives so that those people groups could know Christ.

I don't agree with the fact that Obama condemns a man for outwardly expressing his constitutional right, and ignoring the fact that 9 people were murdered because some book was burned. (Especially when Muslims burn and desecrate the truly Holy Bible.)

Hatred begets hatred. This is why we are called to love. "Our battle is not against flesh and blood but the rulers of this earth." If that pastor purely hates the false religion of Islam for ensnaring good people in it's prison, then he should be spending every waking second in prayer for the Muslim people. Through Christ, and only through Christ, he can defeat the enemy!

If a Muslim burned a Bible, would that turn you towards Islam or away from it?
 
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I don't believe this. Those martyrs would weep in sorrow to know that a fellow follower of Christ showed such hatred towards an entire people group by publicly stating and then burning their holy book.QUOTE]

But how do you know his action was based on hate rather than making a statement? This is the problem with "hate laws" we assume a person does an action based on hate of race or religion. People make statements all the time by burning the thing they are making a statement about. Perhaps his statement is more important than people realize. Perhaps his statement is for Americans to wake up and exercise their rights or their rights will be taken away by laws calling speech that identifies islam in any negative light as hate. Perhaps his statement is to show the true face of islam which he more than proved with this burning. And perhaps a few people died which is hideous on the part of muslims, but perhaps his statement was to try and prevent mass people from being bullied, forceably converted, and killed by more and more islamic influence in America.

To make a wake up call and statement is not the same as hate. As Christians we have to be careful not to be seduced into a politically correct world. This pastor burned the koran knowing it risked his life. But he perhaps did it believing the statement was more important than the risk. He fully illustrated that human rights are at risk if Americans don`t wake up to islam.
 
I don't believe this. Those martyrs would weep in sorrow to know that a fellow follower of Christ showed such hatred towards an entire people group by publicly stating and then burning their holy book.

But how do you know his action was based on hate rather than making a statement? This is the problem with "hate laws" we assume a person does an action based on hate of race or religion. People make statements all the time by burning the thing they are making a statement about. Perhaps his statement is more important than people realize. Perhaps his statement is for Americans to wake up and exercise their rights or their rights will be taken away by laws calling speech that identifies islam in any negative light as hate. Perhaps his statement is to show the true face of islam which he more than proved with this burning. And perhaps a few people died which is hideous on the part of muslims, but perhaps his statement was to try and prevent mass people from being bullied, forceably converted, and killed by more and more islamic influence in America.

To make a wake up call and statement is not the same as hate. As Christians we have to be careful not to be seduced into a politically correct world. This pastor burned the koran knowing it risked his life. But he perhaps did it believing the statement was more important than the risk. He fully illustrated that human rights are at risk if Americans don`t wake up to islam.

Well, we have to look at the fruit it produced. His actions began a chain of hatred, violence, and murder. He tempted those Muslims to sin.

Constitutionally, he did nothing wrong. He is protected under the first amendment. Spiritually speaking, it may be safe to say that he sinned. (Only God knows his heart). He should have burned the Koran privately. He didn't have to announce it publicly to the world.

Did Christ go around burning the holy books of the Romans? Or did He overturn the money changer's tables of the Jewish people?

Americans should, IMO, place their faith in God. The one world system has to come to power. There's no escaping the prophecy of the Bible concerning end times. For all we know, Islam is the way the antichrist will come to power. It's not a time to care about our rights in the world, but to fight in the spiritual world. This physical world of fighting for rights is nothing more than a distraction. Our focus should be on showing the love of Christ, through example, to lead others to Him.
 
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