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In the Old Testament, a prophet who falsely attributed words to the Lord could face the death penalty. There are also numerous scriptures that warn against adding to God's word. Here is an example,

Proverbs 30
5 “Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
(NIV)

The Bible also warns against coarse jesting and blasphemy.

Why am I saying this? We have to have some limits to our humor, especially when it pertains to the Almighty. We shouldn't make jokes about God being deceptive or unfaithful to His promises. We shouldn't make jokes where we put words in God's mouth that He did not say.
 
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In the Old Testament, a prophet who falsely attributed words to the Lord could face the death penalty. There are also numerous scriptures that warn against adding to God's word. Here is an example,

The Bible also warns against coarse jesting and blasphemy.

Why am I saying this? We have to have some limits to our humor, especially when it pertains to the Almighty. We shouldn't make jokes about God being deceptive or unfaithful to His promises. We shouldn't make jokes where we put words in God's mouth that He did not say.
Which post are you referring to please?
 
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Why am I saying this?
That's an excellent question, and the following ...

We have to have some limits to our humor, especially when it pertains to the Almighty. We shouldn't make jokes about God being deceptive or unfaithful to His promises. We shouldn't make jokes where we put words in God's mouth that He did not say.
... doesn't answer that question. No one I can see has made jokes about God in any way, much less remarking on deception or unfaithfulness on His part. I'd really like to know who specifically you think has said anything remotely resembling such defamation of the character of God.
 
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In the Old Testament, a prophet who falsely attributed words to the Lord could face the death penalty. There are also numerous scriptures that warn against adding to God's word. Here is an example,

Proverbs 30
5 “Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
6 Do not add to his words,
or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
(NIV)

The Bible also warns against coarse jesting and blasphemy.

Why am I saying this? We have to have some limits to our humor, especially when it pertains to the Almighty. We shouldn't make jokes about God being deceptive or unfaithful to His promises. We shouldn't make jokes where we put words in God's mouth that He did not say.
I have seen no course jesting and or any blasphemy against the Lord. The Lord is not uptight and religious as some would make Him. There is a time to be serious and stern and there is a time to be joyful and use humor. Every man that knows a woman knows that if you can bring humor and joy in to their life you have supplied part of their needs. Watch and see, even the animals use a playful sort of jesting to establish a male-female relationship. This is as much a part of the life God gives as any other form of joy and peace.
 
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I grew up in an evangelical christian household and my parents did believe in the submissive thing, but my dad was always respectful to my mom and they still made nearly all their decisions together as a team. I guess I didn't realize the extent that some of you all take it, I feel really sorry for some of your wives.

I certainly think husbands and wives should love each other, not just the husband, and that the submission talk was just part of the patriarchal culture of the times.

Personally my wife and I make all our decisions as a team, based on mutual love and respect, when we disagree normally either one persuades the other through logic, or the person who wants it more gets most of what they want. A marriage should not be about treating your partner like a child or getting your way, it should be about making decisions to better both of your lives and the lives of your children if you have them.

Those of you talking about taking away cell phones or withholding compliments seriously need to grow up, you sound like narcissists, and your thinking will lead to domestic (emotional or physical) abuse, resentment, and a much higher chance of divorce.
 

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Husband are to be the leaders they are the picture of Christ ( should be) The wife is the picture of the Church... Think real hard here... To what extent did/does Christ love His Church? How did/does He lead? I would say by example... Yeah He was a bossy, domineering, a jerk thinking of his needs and wants.... Nope He gave His all Unto death of self for His Bride.... How do you lead? Should the leader be the one to set the standard ...the standard is to follow Christ.
 
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I have some really good wife jokes, but no wife?
Im keeping the jokes and trusting God to bring me a wife with a really good sense of humor.
 
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I agree totally that the amount of compliments isn't as important as the meaning in them, what I'm getting at is the idea that it is alright to train your wife like a lap dog with positive reinforcement.
 
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Gotta forewarn you gents: many a wife will take umbrage at being trained like a lapdog. Many women are able to see thru false compliments, and after a while, those false compliments will erode a marriage/relationship. Keep honesty in the top 5 important aspects of your interactions.
 
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I mean I obviously don't know the details of your situation but I generally find honestly explaining to her what you think she's doing wrong and asking her to stop is the best option. I know personally after my wife got promoted to manager in her store after a few weeks she would get a really bossy tone with me sometimes like she was talking to her employees. At first I didn't really get what was happening and I would snap at her in anger (my biggest vice with her). But after a few times when I explained to her what she was doing she stopped. I didn't expect her to stop because she should submit to me, but because I know she loves and respects me and doesn't want to treat me in a way I feel is disrespectful.

If your wife is treating you in a way that truly upsets you and you explain it to her and she won't stop, then your problem isn't that she won't submit to you but that she doesn't respect you. It is a double edged sword though, we are all human and selfish sometimes, and for a marriage to work it takes both being trying to make it work at all times, and sacrificing your own desires because you believe your mutual desires are more important. I think having one partner submit to the other makes and unequal landscape where one is forced to sacrifice more than the other.

As to how it can lead to abuse? It depends on the person, I'm not saying everyone who expects their wife to submit is going to hit her. I just think that someone is more likely to abuse someone else if they think they have a mandate from God to expect the other to submit.
 
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If your wife is treating you in a way that truly upsets you and you explain it to her and she won't stop, then your problem isn't that she won't submit to you but that she doesn't respect you.
Biblical submission and respect seem very much intertwined. If a wife really submits to her husband, she is probably showing him respect. If she really has the type of respect the Bible talks about, she will probably bet in submission. The word for respect, reverence, or 'fear' that the passage talks about is the same attitude we should have toward rulers.

Btw, if we are subject/submit to the 'higher powers'-- the governing authorities that we read about in Romans 13, don't we also obey them?

I think having one partner submit to the other makes and unequal landscape where one is forced to sacrifice more than the other.

As to how it can lead to abuse? It depends on the person, I'm not saying everyone who expects their wife to submit is going to hit her. I just think that someone is more likely to abuse someone else if they think they have a mandate from God to expect the other to submit.
It sounds to me like you are saying that the Bible is wrong when it teaches, several times, that wives are to submit to their husbands, and that you know better. If you are a 'skeptic' of the Christian faith and have been raised in western society in recent decades, I can see where you are coming from. But for centuries and milenea, societies have taught women to submit to their husbands and that doesn't mean the majority of women have been physically abused.
 
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About reverence for God, I am talking about the OP of course. It's a joke the depicts God as being deceptive and not serious about His promises.

I wonder how many of you would like jokes like that told about you. What if someone went around telling jokes about you being dumb.

Insert your name into the blank.

"_____ is so dumb that he/she asked me what kind of jeans I was wearing. I said "Guess" and he/she said "Levis."

If I plugged your name in there and told a joke, it might irritate you. If I told a dozen jokes about how untrustworthy or deceptive you were, it might make you angry.

I'd feel uncomfortable telling jokes that cast my father or mother in a bad light because it is written, "Honor thy father and they mother." Wouldn't you think it disrespectful if one of your kids told the "Guess" joke, above, about their grandmother?

Some people say not to worry about it because God has a great sense of humor. Where do we get this idea? I would not say jokes are sinful. I enjoy a good joke. I just don't want to tell jokes at God's expense. On the day of judgment, I'd rather hear God tell me that I could have lightened up and told some jokes about Him, than to have to answer for having told disrespectful jokes about Him that did not honor His name. How many jokes about God can you read about in the Bible?

And where does the Bible tell us how important it is to have a good sense of humor? I can't find that. I can find one place where God laughs... at those who oppose the Lord and His Messiah. I can find a verse about God laughing at the wicked, because He knows their day is coming. But I can find a lot of warnings about humor as well. The man who lies to his neighbor and says "I was only joking" is like a maniac shooting flaming arrows of death. Elders are to be 'grave.'

Which is worse? To tell a joke that uses the s-word to describe excrement or a joke with some sexual innuendo, or to tell a joke that portrays God as deceptive and claims He said words that He did not say? Shouldn't we show some restraint when it comes to speaking about the Almighty? If He did not say something, we should not claim that He did, even if only in jest.
 
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Well the unmarried man is going to give some advice on women? Iol
I would say that a woman picks up on the confidence of a man, as it relates to the peace a man has with who he is.
A man who is unsure is always defending himself and trying to establish that others would see in him what he is trying to project. A man who is confident in the Lord and the Lords love for him, is free to love those around him without fear.
Because at the heart of most issues with a man, fear is at its root. But when we become unmovable in Gods love, this fear will not have a place in us. Women seem to pick up on such things and they seem to be more at ease with a man who is at ease within himself.
Did i get it right Reba?
 
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Biblical submission and respect seem very much intertwined. If a wife really submits to her husband, she is probably showing him respect. If she really has the type of respect the Bible talks about, she will probably bet in submission. The word for respect, reverence, or 'fear' that the passage talks about is the same attitude we should have toward rulers.
First let me say President that my post is not directed at you but I used your post because spoke to my thoughts. :)

I would say that because a wife "shows" respect for husband does not mean she "has" respect for him. It could be that she has very little respect for him but respects God so she "shows" respect.

A husband could "show" love to his wife and that doesn't mean he "has" love for his wife it could be he is simply obeying God.

Is this a Godly marriage? Most certainly, IMO. Can people live this way til death do us apart? Yes and do.
But many times their joy in living on this earth is found in their children or other interests. Their personal relationship with their spouse may be joyless.

All I'm saying is that we, husband or wife, need to be careful that we do not get puffed up in thinking that our spouse thinks we are so wonderful. That we should actually take the time to find out and take their "feelings" into consideration that the marriage is actually joyful for both people.

The Lord says we are to be Joyful in the Lord, in our relationship with Him and He gives us many reason to be joyful in Him. I think that He ideally wants our marriages to be the same.
 
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just noticed that last quote that Deb used by pres.
We are not to "fear" any man, but God only.
We are to honor the positions that these men hold, and have peace with them in as much as it is within our power.
We are to have no fellowship with any evil and God has called some to reprove these rulers and to expose them.
Now I believe that the wife should honor the husband and the husband love the wife.
You see God in His Wisdom has spoke to the needs of the woman and the man? For men would have honor from the wife more than love? There is a real need in man for that honor, and a wife if she is wise, will fill that need.
There is a real need in the woman for the love of the husband.
If that husband is wise? He will fill that need.
 
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