Bible Study Old Testament? New Testament? NO, NO!! Only One Covenant (Testament)

[susancramer]

Read on in Exodus.

If you are asking me to read between the lines I have to admit it, I can't. So in your own words,
Why are they now claiming the land they are now occupying their true homeland when historically they were Shepard's with no homeland of their own?

 

[dirtfarmer]

If you are asking me to read between the lines I have to admit it, I can't. So in your own words,
Why are they now claiming the land they are now occupying their true homeland when historically they were Shepard's with no homeland of their own?

hello susancramer, dirtfarmer

I see that you live in Dallas Texas. Have you ever read any of Dr. Criswell sermons. He has given reference to 15 verses about Israel is the land that God promised to Abram.
Here are those verses
Genesis 12:7
Genesis 13:15
Genesis 15:7 & 18
Genesis 17:8
Genesis 50:24
Exodus 6:8
Exodus 23:30
Leviticus 20:24
Deuteronomy 6:10
Deuteronomy 31:20
Joshua 5:6
Judges 2:1

There are other that State in "the latter times" God will bring them back to the land and they will never be driven out again. This happened in 1948.

 

[Truthfrees]

Good post.
Thank you.
However: The NT is written in Koine Greek, not Hebrew of English.
The English words "new covenant" are used 9 times.
In eight of those, the word "new" is the translation of the Greek word; καινός (kainos).
(Mat 26:28; Mar 14:24, Luk 22:20; 1Cor 11:25; 2Cor 3:6; Heb 8:8; 8:13; 9:15)

The meaning of "kainos" is "new"
With respect to form, it means: recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn
With respect to substance it means: of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of

The other word translated "new" one time is: νέος (neos). (Heb 12:24)
It means "new."

And it seems to me that the key difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant is the promised outcome.
Under the Old, if one kept the requirements of the covenant (as best as one could) then the "rewards" were:
Deu 30:16b ...you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.
Under the New, if one kept the requirements of the covenant (as best as one could) then the "rewards" were:
Jhn 3:16b whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life and Jhn 5:28b-29 all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

The rewards of the Old Covenant had to do with life in this world while the rewards of the New Covenant have to do with life after the resurrection rather than in this life. In fact, Christ told his followers that in this life they would suffer because they followed Him. (Jhn 15:20; 16:33)

My two kopecks

iakov the fool

i see what you are saying

one thing to know is Jesus, Paul, the Apostles, like all Jews read and spoke fluent Hebrew for sure - maybe also Aramaic - and probably descent Greek if not fluent Greek (the universal language of the day - kinda like English today)

they have discovered an ancient Hebrew language book of Matthew and if you know Hebrew it will be clear that many of the NT statements make a lot more sense if you translate it back to Hebrew - because you come up with the same phrases as the OT

Jesus and Paul quoted the OT extensively - Jesus would have quoted it in Hebrew as He spoke to Jews almost exclusively - and Paul would have spoke Hebrew to Jews and Greek to non-Jews

so in short Jesus and the NT Jews were all speaking fluent Hebrew - which means the NT was probably first written in Hebrew- and then all of it was later translated into Greek - with the possible exception of the letters Paul wrote to non-Jews

for these reasons a deep word study of Greek is awesome - but a word study in Hebrew is more accurate imo

God Bless you my friend

 

[Truthfrees]

If you are asking me to read between the lines I have to admit it, I can't. So in your own words,
Why are they now claiming the land they are now occupying their true homeland when historically they were Shepard's with no homeland of their own?

hi there dear one

here is a list of several cbn 700 club videos and articles on the truth about who has been occupying Israel at what time periods

https://www1.cbn.com/cbn-search?search_term=israel belongs to the Jews&site=default_collection

sorry to say but the false narrative we are given today about the Jews occupying palestine is a fabricated story that people either ignorantly or with full knowledge promote

1. - http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2017/december/why-history-says-jerusalem-belongs-to-the-jews
2. - http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/video/israel?video=426681
3. - http://www1.cbn.com/content/why-history-says-jerusalem-belongs-jews
4. - http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/2017/december/remember-the-previous-4-000-years-says-netanyahu

there are several articles and videos so you can pick almost any from the above list to help you understand the historical truth and the biblical truth

here is a link to the claims that israel belongs to the palestinians: https://www1.cbn.com/cbn-search?search_term=israel belongs to the palestinians&site=default_collection
1. - http://www1.cbn.com/onlinediscipleship/how-should-christians-view-the-israeli-palestinian-situation?
2. - http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/israel/...enies-israels-ties-to-abrahams-tomb-nbsp-nbsp

and a link to israel blooming only under jews: https://www1.cbn.com/cbn-search?search_term=israel blooms only under jews&site=default_collection
1. - http://www1.cbn.com/content/miracle-called-israel
2. - http://www1.cbn.com/jerusalemdateli...happening-in-gaza-and-why-should-it-matter-to
3. - http://www1.cbn.com/700club/made-israel-clean-green

in short what you will find out is that historically the land of israel ONLY bloomed when jews were in the land - and turned to desert when the jews were not in the land - which included 1948-present day

this also happened to Isaac - when the Egyptians kicked him out of the land their land turned to desert and when they asked him to return the land blossomed again

it is a supernatural sign from God as to His favor upon the jews and the land God gave them

 

[Truthfrees]

hello susancramer, dirtfarmer

I see that you live in Dallas Texas. Have you ever read any of Dr. Criswell sermons. He has given reference to 15 verses about Israel is the land that God promised to Abram.
Here are those verses
Genesis 12:7
Genesis 13:15
Genesis 15:7 & 18
Genesis 17:8
Genesis 50:24
Exodus 6:8
Exodus 23:30
Leviticus 20:24
Deuteronomy 6:10
Deuteronomy 31:20
Joshua 5:6
Judges 2:1

There are other that State in "the latter times" God will bring them back to the land and they will never be driven out again. This happened in 1948.

thanks for this

awesome

 

[Chopper]

Who were the people God was talking to in the following verses-?

(Mal 3:5 KJV) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

(Jer 14:8 KJV) O the hope of Israel, the saviour thereof in time of trouble, why shouldest thou be as a stranger in the land, and as a wayfaring man that turneth aside to tarry for a night?

(Ezek 14:7 KJV) For every one of the house of Israel, or of thestranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself:

(Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Deu 24:19 KJV) When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.

(Deu 24:20 KJV) When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Deu 24:21 KJV) When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

(Jer 7:6 KJV) If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:

(Jer 22:3 KJV) Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.

(Ezek 22:7 KJV) In thee have they set light by father and mother: in the midst of thee have they dealt by oppression with the stranger: in thee have they vexed the fatherless and the widow.

(Zec 7:10 KJV) And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

(Exo 22:21 KJV) Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Exo 23:9 KJV) Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

(Lev 19:34 KJV) But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

(Lev 25:35 KJV) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be astranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.

Again I ask, who was the Lord talking too?

Good Afternoon Susancramer or should I say Shalom. I'll try and help you understand. You can ask me anything about the Nation of Israel and it's movements from it's founding in and thru Abram.

(Deu 10:19 KJV) Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

.... In my opinion Susan, Moses was the greatest man of Elohim (God) that ever lived.

In order to completely understand Israel's movements, as I said before, you'll have to study the entire First Covenant Book of Exodus. I'll start with chapter 1 in the 10 Commandments Verses 1&2 from my KJV and then from my Hebrew translation. I want you to know, I guard the Torah with a great love for the Commands that apply to me under the renewed Covenant.

KJV....Exodus 20:1 "And God spake all these words, saying,
20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

Hebrew/Aramaic....Shemoth 20:1 "And Elohim spoke all these Words, saying. 20:2 I am YHWH your Elohim, who brought you out of the land of Mitsrayim, out of the house of slavery."

I want you to pay close attention to the Words in verse 2. "brought you out of the land of Egypt." They were headed for the promised land, Canaan. Egypt was never Israel's Promised Land. Someone of old said, "Nothing good ever comes out of Egypt except God's Children."

Please study Exodus, and then if you have further questions, ask a way my new friend Susan.

 

[Chopper]

thanks for this

awesome

Thanks for your help with Susan. Between the two of us, perhaps this dear one can find shalom.

 

[ezrider]

.... In my opinion Susan, Moses was the greatest man of Elohim (God) that ever lived.

What does it make of your opinion then when Jesus said among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist?

 

[Jim Parker]

The renewed Covenant was written in Aramaic/Hebrew.

Please explain why NONE of the New Testament translations we have are based on Aramaic/Hebrew texts.
The idea that the NT was first written in Aramaic is a myth.
http://drmsh.com/the-myth-of-an-aramaic-original-new-testament/
http://aramaicnt.org/articles/problems-with-peshitta-primacy/

"There is absolutely no evidence that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew, despite many extravagant claims to the contrary."
From: http://www.baruch-hashem.com/index....he-new-testament-originally-written-in-hebrew

Paul wrote most of the NT and he was writing to Greek speaking Greeks, not Aramaic speaking Jews. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected them to translate it.
Luke's Gospel and Acts are addressed to a Greek believer. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected Theophilus to translate it.

 

[Jim Parker]

so in short Jesus and the NT Jews were all speaking fluent Hebrew - which means the NT was probably first written in Hebrew- and then all of it was later translated into Greek - with the possible exception of the letters Paul wrote to non-Jews

See my post # 89

 

[ezrider]

I have said before, I don't play your spiritual games. I've got much more important matters to attend to than your continual question & answer game. I suggest you go to Alan Horvath.com and study.

The greatest is Elohim. In case you don't know Who that is, it's Abba Father, the Son Yahshua, and the Holy Spirit, the Ruah of YHWH.

I find your response to be most unfortunate Chopper, but it is one I understand. So I must ask for your forgiveness if anything I have written on this forum has caused you to go astray from your faith or the path that you were called to walk, or if my comments have caused you to harden your heart to hearing the things of the Spirit; it was never my intent.

I'm sorry, but I did not see my questions as being "spiritual" games, unless of course you believe that Jesus was playing "spiritual" games with the Pharisees, because the question I asked you was no different than the one Jesus asked of the Pharisees: A question that I might add you have refused to answer. And because you can't or won't answer, you suggest I run of to Alan to teach me? You should know me enough by now to know that I have not studied the Bible for myself in more than 25 years. I need that no man to teach me.

But you, being a pastor, teacher and counselor to the Lord's flocks for over 40 years, I was sure you understood that the carnal mind can not understand the things of the Spirit, and to hear the things of the Spirit you must speak as by spiritual things (1 Cor 2:13). So as I am sorry if I have caused you to harden your heart, but I will make no apologies for the questions that I have asked: They just weren't meant for you to hear. But that is alright, there is no need to get upset over them.

There are some who are chosen as vessels of destruction who are beloved of the Father, but are called be enemies of the gospel of Christ. But they too are kept in a state blindness to the Glory of Christ. But they are called to face the Glory of the Lord in the flame of fire and voice of thunders before a great lake, and they do wish to serve the Lord a before a pillar of fire and a cloud of smoke in a renewed covenant made with death, otherwise known as the second death and the lake of fire, where they shall be made to prove their works before the Glory of the Lord and His throne.

So please know, and do not be offended; But when you find glory in the stale old spoiled manna the children of Israel gathered from the desert nearly 4,000 year ago, spice it up like a Pentecostal babbling in tongues without an interpreter or without giving the explanation yourself, then my words and my questions were not meant for you. As you have stated before, you have more important things to do, like go prepare for a battle, so you don't need to read any further, because my words are not for you. They are for the precious stones.

Would a friend of the bridegroom give counsel to the warrior preparing for war? Or as a friend of the bridegroom, would he give counsel to the bride instead? Some will see the words of a Book they don't even understand and a piece of dirt called Israel and are compelled to follow after its inheritance. But some have heard the words of the book and seek for something more, and the Israel they follow after the Lord called His Firstborn.

So search the scriptures as you might. Try version after version, and interpretation after interpretation, and glory all you like in the pronunciation of a Hebrew word; As if the word is mightier than the Spirit, or that the Spirit of the Lord is bound to the letters of ink etched in the pages of a book. Scour the world for all your might, run to and fro seeking after the knowledge of the words of a book, but know and understand one thing: You will never find the words of the new covenant written in the pages of a book, for that is not where you were instructed to look. Because the words of the new covenant are written in and read from our hearts.

For the manna that we shall seek is not found in the pages of a book, but to those who overcome was given the promise of the hidden manna to come. Now the hidden manna is not like the manna the children of the desert gathered, for they only gather the residue that became visible after the heat of the sun had blown upon it. For Glory of Christ and the true hidden manna are found with the morning dew.

 

[Chopper]

Hello, Shalom, my friends. I am in deep sorrow that many of you are stuck in old preconceptions taught by leaders of modern churches who don't understand the eternal flow of God's work from Genesis to Revelation. They refer to the Old Testament as OLD! And no use for us because we are under the NEW. Very few believes study the OLD any more because of it. That is an insult to our Lord Jesus Christ who wrote the First Covenant, and the Renewed.

Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of Elohim (God), that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I am amazed and saddened that only a few folk on this Forum see the Truth instead of Satan's lies and deception, taught by churches for years. They are missing the great flow of instruction to all believers in Christ Jesus from.... John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Because Yahshua Jesus was selected by the Divine Counsel to be the One Who would create ALL "things" in the beginning of Genesis One, and He is the focal point when He comes back to judge and rule as King in the New Jerusalem ALL SCRIPTURE from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22:21 are Extremely important teachings, not laws for all mankind and especially for those of us who are "Born from above".... Jesus gave instruction, not laws, Rabbi's gave laws, over 600 laws. It is a mistake to call the 1st Covenant God's laws because THEY ARE NOT LAWS!!

The Divine Counsel (Trinity) were all involved with Yahshua Jesus as He caused the Holy Spirit to inspire all the Writers of Scripture to document the intended instruction of how to live a life pleasing to Yahweh our Elohim (God), and how to avoid the traps of the enemy of our souls, Satan. From the 1st Covenant given to Abraham, thru the renewed Covenant by Yahshua Jesus, the changes can be observed by those who study the entire Scriptures from Genesis thru Revelation.

I wish you all could see and hear the Holy Spirit begging you all to see His flow of instruction in the Almighty plan of mankind from the fall of Adam thru the hardships of His favored Nation of Israel and how He kept on rescuing this favored and yet rebellious people called His Wife, to the return of His only and unique Son Yahshua Jesus.

According to John 17, the flow of God's plan for mankind continues as He renews His Covenant to include Gentile nations. It's not a new covenant, but a renewed Covenant calling men, called Apostles rather than Prophets to bring a renewal of the 10 Commandments thru the teachings of Yahshua Jesus especially in Matthew chapter five.

So few believers in Christ Jesus know anything about the value of the entire Books of Scripture. A study of Genesis to Revelation WASHES US from the pollution of the world, and causes us to GROW SPIRITUALLY in the things of the Divine Counsel (Trinity)....I've tried my best to expose my heart for my love for my Abba Father, the Divine Counsel, and my love for all the instruction of my beloved Yahshua Jesus.

Shalom, Peace and Favor for all of you, and I pray that you all will be drawn to the Truth in these matters.

In the Love of Yahshua Jesus,
Chopper

 

[Chopper]

Please explain why NONE of the New Testament translations we have are based on Aramaic/Hebrew texts.
The idea that the NT was first written in Aramaic is a myth.
http://drmsh.com/the-myth-of-an-aramaic-original-new-testament/
http://aramaicnt.org/articles/problems-with-peshitta-primacy/

"There is absolutely no evidence that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew, despite many extravagant claims to the contrary."
From: http://www.baruch-hashem.com/index....he-new-testament-originally-written-in-hebrew

Paul wrote most of the NT and he was writing to Greek speaking Greeks, not Aramaic speaking Jews. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected them to translate it.
Luke's Gospel and Acts are addressed to a Greek believer. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected Theophilus to translate it.

This is not right, sorry.

 

[Chopper]

I find your response to be most unfortunate Chopper, but it is one I understand. So I must ask for your forgiveness if anything I have written on this forum has caused you to go astray from your faith or the path that you were called to walk, or if my comments have caused you to harden your heart to hearing the things of the Spirit; it was never my intent.

I'm sorry, but I did not see my questions as being "spiritual" games, unless of course you believe that Jesus was playing "spiritual" games with the Pharisees, because the question I asked you was no different than the one Jesus asked of the Pharisees: A question that I might add you have refused to answer. And because you can't or won't answer, you suggest I run of to Alan to teach me? You should know me enough by now to know that I have not studied the Bible for myself in more than 25 years. I need that no man to teach me.

But you, being a pastor, teacher and counselor to the Lord's flocks for over 40 years, I was sure you understood that the carnal mind can not understand the things of the Spirit, and to hear the things of the Spirit you must speak as by spiritual things (1 Cor 2:13). So as I am sorry if I have caused you to harden your heart, but I will make no apologies for the questions that I have asked: They just weren't meant for you to hear. But that is alright, there is no need to get upset over them.

There are some who are chosen as vessels of destruction who are beloved of the Father, but are called be enemies of the gospel of Christ. But they too are kept in a state blindness to the Glory of Christ. But they are called to face the Glory of the Lord in the flame of fire and voice of thunders before a great lake, and they do wish to serve the Lord a before a pillar of fire and a cloud of smoke in a renewed covenant made with death, otherwise known as the second death and the lake of fire, where they shall be made to prove their works before the Glory of the Lord and His throne.

So please know, and do not be offended; But when you find glory in the stale old spoiled manna the children of Israel gathered from the desert nearly 4,000 year ago, spice it up like a Pentecostal babbling in tongues without an interpreter or without giving the explanation yourself, then my words and my questions were not meant for you. As you have stated before, you have more important things to do, like go prepare for a battle, so you don't need to read any further, because my words are not for you. They are for the precious stones.

Would a friend of the bridegroom give counsel to the warrior preparing for war? Or as a friend of the bridegroom, would he give counsel to the bride instead? Some will see the words of a Book they don't even understand and a piece of dirt called Israel and are compelled to follow after its inheritance. But some have heard the words of the book and seek for something more, and the Israel they follow after the Lord called His Firstborn.

So search the scriptures as you might. Try version after version, and interpretation after interpretation, and glory all you like in the pronunciation of a Hebrew word; As if the word is mightier than the Spirit, or that the Spirit of the Lord is bound to the letters of ink etched in the pages of a book. Scour the world for all your might, run to and fro seeking after the knowledge of the words of a book, but know and understand one thing: You will never find the words of the new covenant written in the pages of a book, for that is not where you were instructed to look. Because the words of the new covenant are written in and read from our hearts.

For the manna that we shall seek is not found in the pages of a book, but to those who overcome was given the promise of the hidden manna to come. Now the hidden manna is not like the manna the children of the desert gathered, for they only gather the residue that became visible after the heat of the sun had blown upon it. For Glory of Christ and the true hidden manna are found with the morning dew.

Ez, I am closer to my Abba Father than ever. All you have done is to show me how blind you are to the Truth of Elohim. You argue from your preconceptions that are founded in false teachings. Argue with someone else please.

 

[Chopper]

i see what you are saying

one thing to know is Jesus, Paul, the Apostles, like all Jews read and spoke fluent Hebrew for sure - maybe also Aramaic - and probably descent Greek if not fluent Greek (the universal language of the day - kinda like English today)

they have discovered an ancient Hebrew language book of Matthew and if you know Hebrew it will be clear that many of the NT statements make a lot more sense if you translate it back to Hebrew - because you come up with the same phrases as the OT

Jesus and Paul quoted the OT extensively - Jesus would have quoted it in Hebrew as He spoke to Jews almost exclusively - and Paul would have spoke Hebrew to Jews and Greek to non-Jews

so in short Jesus and the NT Jews were all speaking fluent Hebrew - which means the NT was probably first written in Hebrew- and then all of it was later translated into Greek - with the possible exception of the letters Paul wrote to non-Jews

for these reasons a deep word study of Greek is awesome - but a word study in Hebrew is more accurate imo

God Bless you my friend

You, my friend, have just hit a "Chopper Home Run" with this defense of Hebrew/Aramaic writings in the Renewed Covenant. Bravo!!

 

[Chopper]

What does it make of your opinion then when Jesus said among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist?

What does the rest of the verse say?

 

[Runner]

Because Yahshua Jesus was selected by the Divine Counsel to be the One Who would create ALL "things" in the beginning of Genesis One, ...

The Divine Council was not understood by the Israelites to be the Trinity. See http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/ - the website of Dr. Michael S. Heiser, who is a world-recognized scholar specializing in this very topic:

“The term divine council is used by Hebrew and Semitics scholars to refer to the heavenly host, the pantheon of divine beings who administer the affairs of the cosmos. All ancient Mediterranean cultures had some conception of a divine council. The divine council of Israelite religion, known primarily through the psalms, was distinct in important ways.”

Michael S. Heiser, “Divine Council,” in Dictionary of the Old Testament: Wisdom, Poetry & Writings (ed. Tremper Longman III and Peter Enns; Downers Grove, IL; Nottingham, England: IVP Academic; Inter-Varsity Press, 2008), 112.
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The links down the right side of the above page will flesh out the OT understanding of the Divine Council in great depth.

I have watched a couple of the Horvath videos and tried to follow this thread. I am amazed the moderators have allowed it to continue. I have a very strong feeling that if Runner or others I could name had started a thread to promote Alan Horvath and his theories, the moderators would have quickly pulled the plug with a warning that "This is the Bible Study forum. It is not a place for the promotion of self-styled gurus and fringe theories."

 

[Jim Parker]

This is not right, sorry.

OK
Enjoy

 

[ezrider]

Satan's lies and deceptions, what are they? The simplest of lessons to avoid the traps of Satan are found right there in the first couple chapters of the book of Genesis, the serpent whispering from the dust of the earth: YOU WILL NOT DIE.

There is really only one covenant as the OP might suggest, but it is not readily found in either of the testaments, except for a few passages, but it was the commandment given to His Son. Of All the trees in the garden you may freely eat, but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat of, for in the day you shall eat thereof, you shall surely die. The Lord God Almighty, the creator of the Heavens and the Earth and all that is therein said if you partake of the fruit of knowledge, YOU SHALL DIE; But the lie of Satan is YOU WILL NOT DIE, so he offers you a covering to hide from the truth. So what are lies and what is truth?

The truth is Adam was created a Son of God, perfect in all his ways to walk before the Lord in Faith all the days of his life. That was his covenant with the Lord when he walked and talked with Lord in the cool of the morning as the mist of the morning dew lays upon the tender herb; And he was given but the one commandment. The tree of Life is yours and all that be in the garden, only Do Not eat the fruit of the tree of Knowledge.

Adam was created, perfect in all his ways until iniquity was found in him. Why was iniquity found in him? Because he partook of the fruit of the knowledge of evil. Adam was created in the image of God, a Son of God to walk according according to Faith. Adam was not created to walk with the knowledge sin, Adam took that knowledge for himself. This is the covenant the Christ came to restore: To walk with the Spirit of the Lord according to Faith as He created you, not according to the knowledge of the Law.

But from the dust of the earth the serpent doth whisper, you are saved, why you shall not die... As the clay vessel cries out the to the potter, why have you made me such? Take this sin from me, for I am not a sinner. But God created you and formed you in His image. He did not create you with the knowledge of sin.

But what is lost to some is the salvation of Christ, for they confuse the salvation through Christ with those who have been redeemed from under the LAW and the KNOWLEDGE of SIN by Christ. For as in Adam shall ALL men DIE, even so in Christ shall ALL be made ALIVE. This is the covenant that Christ restored, the one lost when Adam broke Faith and then hid himself from DEATH. Jesus was Faithful to DEATH, even the death of the Cross, to show the Power of God in restoring life from the dead.

But the author of this OP continues to get caught up in the covenant made with Moses and glories in the laws of that covenant. By his words he tells you correctly that both the old testament and the new testament should not be ignored, for they are not just laws, but they are full of instruction. In this I would tell you the author of the OP is correct, for they are full of instruction in righteousness. But then the author of the OP in saying that, speaks from both sides of his mouth, for out of one side he say it is not about Laws, but then out of the other goes on to glory in a RENEWED 10 Commandments.

It's not a new covenant, but a renewed Covenant calling men, called Apostles rather than Prophets to bring a renewal of the 10 Commandments

Jesus didn't teach you a renewal of the ten commandments in the sermon on the mount, he delivered to you the words to complete in you the ministration of Death that was first given to Moses. When the ministration of Death is complete in you, then shall you find your way back to the tree of Life where you learn of the Glory of the Lord. But the lies the serpent would tell would cause you to glory in the knowledge of a commandment and the self righteousness that come by upholding a law. But the knowledge of the Glory of the Lord and the Righteousness that comes by Faith is hidden from them by the very covering of blood offered to them according to the LAW and the fruit of Knowledge of sin and repentance.

But Adam was created in the image and likeness of God. We are created and formed in the image of Christ. But if we do as the OP suggests and appreciate all that the scripture has to offer without the fear of the LAW, then we might find God expressing a few of his very own characteristics. For instance, God is a Jealous God. Is Jealousy a sin? God Hates, for it is written Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I Hated. God can be vengeful, for I am a vengeful God, visiting the iniquities upon them that hate me.... God has repented himself of the evil he thought to do unto man.

These are things we all know all to well within us. We love those who love us, and hate those we despise. We are full of jealousy and rage. But these things are natural within us, as we were created in Gods image. What we have lost with all the knowledge of sin and evil, is the ability to show the same characteristics of compassion and mercy that Christ has demonstrated for you by walking Faithfully to DEATH, even the death of the cross.

You have heard it said an eye for an eye. BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, love your enemy. Do good to those who despitefully use you. If someone should steal your cloak, then GIVE THEM your coat also....... Tell me, can you find that and glorify that in the 10 commandemts?

 

[Truthfrees]

Please explain why NONE of the New Testament translations we have are based on Aramaic/Hebrew texts.
The idea that the NT was first written in Aramaic is a myth.
http://drmsh.com/the-myth-of-an-aramaic-original-new-testament/
http://aramaicnt.org/articles/problems-with-peshitta-primacy/

"There is absolutely no evidence that the New Testament was originally written in Hebrew, despite many extravagant claims to the contrary."
From: http://www.baruch-hashem.com/index....he-new-testament-originally-written-in-hebrew

Paul wrote most of the NT and he was writing to Greek speaking Greeks, not Aramaic speaking Jews. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected them to translate it.
Luke's Gospel and Acts are addressed to a Greek believer. There is no reason to suppose that he wrote in Aramaic and expected Theophilus to translate it.

constantine did several things but 2 of them are:
1. he outlawed anything jewish - scrolls - sacred items - hebrew language - synagogues - jewish style gatherings - etc - under penalty of death -