One Shall Be Taken And The Other Shall Be Left Behind

[new covenant preacher]

Christ declared, One shall be taken and the other shall be left behind. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man returns. The ones taken are to be destroyed; we most definitely want to be left behind, to inherit the Kingdom on earth at Christ's Second Coming.

Mark 13:24-27 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Christ made it very clear that after the tribulation He would gather all of the elect together. It would be unnecessary to gather the heavenly host, if it were not for the fact that they also were to reign on earth with Him.

After this great tribulation we will receive a kingdom that cannot be moved (Rev 8:12; 9:2; Heb 12:28).

The verses below from Isaiah speak of quite a different atmosphere on planet earth at His second coming. You may want to read this entire chapter as it paints an awesome picture of the future.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

There is no doubt that the Millennium, with Jesus reigning, will involve quite a spectacular transformation. Also, it fulfills one of the desires that the believer prays for as taught to us by Christ …thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven...

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Satan is the god of this world that is to be destroyed. How then can we put so much emphasis on the illusion of security, through the accumulation of material things that perish? All who love this present world, and are not rich towards God will be taken, and will not inherit the new earth.

Isaiah 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

The elect inherit the restored earth and they will enjoy the fruits of their labor, peace instead of war, and joy instead of sorrow. One shall be taken to be destroyed, and the one given the title of God's elect, is left behind. We will be gathered together to meet Christ and all those that He brings with Him.

Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

As it Was in The Days of Noah So Shall it Be When Jesus Returns One Shall Be Taken
In the days of Noah, the earth was filled with violence, and all flesh was destroyed except for eight people. Upon Christ’s second coming, it will be as it was in the days of Lot and Noah; One shall be taken to inherit destruction. This is the unfortunate fate for all who have not found protection in Christ.

Matt 24:39-40 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

When Christ returns a second time, one shall be taken, but not to heaven. They are actually taken to Hell, to await the final judgment after the 1000 year reign of Christ. Those left behind remain on earth; this is the exact opposite of what the pre-tribulation rapture movement teaches. It is simply amazing how many buy into this grievous fable.



John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

There is not one Bible verse that suggests we are ever to go up to heaven with resurrected bodies. This transformation happens at the last trumpet judgment when the Elect reign with Christ on a new earth.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

When our inheritance or treasure is mentioned in association with Heaven, it always refers to one of two promises; the crown of righteousness (our Salvation) is given to the Elect at His second coming, when He returns from Heaven; the New Jerusalem which comes down from Heaven, represents our final dwelling place with Jesus after the millennium reign on earth (1 Thes 4:15-17).

2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

The Apostle Paul clearly points out that he will receive the crown of righteousness at the same time as all those that love His appearing do; this occurs upon Christ's return to the earth. To imagine that one shall be taken to receive the reward of eternal life before the tribulation, while the apostle waits until the end of the tribulation for his is preposterous.

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

One Shall Be Taken but not to Heaven
Christ judges the living and the dead at His appearing and His earthly kingdom (the 1000 year reign); if there is a pre tribulation rapture then this group escapes the judgment; this is impossible, as it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgment (2 Tim 4:1; Heb 9:27-28). Now this ridiculous theory claims not only three separate earthly visits by Christ, but three separate judgments as well, one of which is a secret even to the group that propagates this fairy tale.

Peter presents us with a message that the new age church does not want to talk about because they do not want to understand it. We will partake in Christ’s sufferings and are able to endure through the power of His Spirit that lives within us. However, this temporary pain does not compare to the eternal glory and joy to be experienced at His Second Coming.

1 Peter 4:12-13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Judgment begins with or at the body of believers known as the church; there is no special escape clause expressed or implied.

 

[new covenant preacher]

Christ declared, One shall be taken and the other shall be left behind. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man returns.


1 Peter 4:17-18 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

So we ask those pre-tribulation rapture advocates, if the house of God is raptured away how then is it possible for judgment to begin there? If the righteous be scarcely saved what chance would the ungodly that are left behind have, with no discernment for the truth during the worst period of deception known to mankind?

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass,( the tribulation events) then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (or salvation) draweth nigh.

The Word of God will return to set in motion the first judgment and resurrection; those that destroy the earth will be sent to Hell to await the lake of fire which is the final judgment; a full reward is given to the elect who will reign on earth with Jesus.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The prophets, Saints and others are rewarded at this time, which most assuredly is at the end of the great tribulation period.

Just as 2 Tim 4:1, destroys the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine, so too does this verse in Rev 11:18.

A rapture or gathering of the church before this time is quite impossible, how could the prophets not be worthy of the same rewards of the church, that is supposedly taken away and transformed years before they are. Salvation at any time other than that of the second coming of Jesus our redeemer is also impossible. The reward for the righteous is salvation, which just happens to occur when Christ returns (Isa 62:11; Col 3:24; Rev 22:12).

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels

Observe the logical progression here, one shall be taken, that is for sure, but it is not the Christian. Christ is revealed and He brings His angels with Him. If we were raptured and taken to Heaven there would be no need to bring the angels.

2 Thess 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe...

Christ comes to be glorified in his Saints, but also with flaming fire as He takes vengeance on them that do not know God, so this is also a time of judgment (2 Thes 1:8).

2 Thess 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

Christ must first come down from Heaven in order to gather His Elect, this does not represent two separate events, the proof of this is in the following verse.

2 Thess 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The day of Christ is in fact when He returns to gather us, one event that occurs during a single day.

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And it is evident that the day in which we are gathered, or caught up in Christ, does not occur until the Beast or anti Christ is revealed, well there goes the possibility of escaping the Great Tribulation.
scape clause expressed or implied.

 

[Eugene]

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
There is not one Bible verse that suggests we are ever to go up to heaven with resurrected bodies. This transformation happens at the last trumpet judgment when the Elect reign with Christ on a new earth.

Where in your opinion is the order of the Church being caught up according to scripture, and is it restricted to one event?

 

[Eugene]

Christ declared, One shall be taken and the other shall be left behind. As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man returns. The ones taken are to be destroyed; we most definitely want to be left behind, to inherit the Kingdom on earth at Christ's Second Coming.

ncp, I’m beginning to think we’re talking completely different times and events as concerning the tribulation.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. (This is future to us)
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

I hope you do realize that those in Christ who proceed us by way of the grave are elect also. What I’m asking is that if those elect absent from the body, but present with our Lord are part of the elect, what flesh will be protected by shortening those days? Are you preaching "Soul Sleep"?

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Where does it say those will be destroyed prior the great White throne judgment of Rev 20:11-12?

 

[new covenant preacher]

Where in your opinion is the order of the Church being caught up according to scripture, and is it restricted to one event?

Where in your opinion is the order of the Church being caught up according to scripture, and is it restricted to one event?

Eugene, although you have a different opinion than I, I really appreciate the civil manner in which you respond. a very admirable and Christian quality!!!

Mark 13:24-27
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Matt 24:39-40 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

Absolutely the gathering together of the Elect is a single event at the end of this age. Please refer to 2 Tim4:8.below.


John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

There is not one Bible verse that suggests we are ever to go up to heaven with resurrected bodies. This transformation happens at the last trumpet judgment when the Elect reign with Christ on a new earth.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

When our inheritance or treasure is mentioned in association with Heaven, it always refers to one of two promises; the crown of righteousness (our Salvation) is given to the Elect at His second coming, when He returns from Heaven; the New Jerusalem which comes down from Heaven, represents our final dwelling place with Jesus after the millennium reign on earth (1 Thes 4:15-17).

2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

The Apostle Paul clearly points out that he will receive the crown of righteousness at the same time as all those that love His appearing do; this occurs upon Christ's return to the earth. To imagine that one shall be taken to receive the reward of eternal life before the tribulation, while the Apostle waits until the end of the tribulation for his is preposterous.

2 Tim 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

The Redemption is our Salvation and nowhere in Scripture is there any mention of two gatherings

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass,( the tribulation events) then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption (or salvation) draweth nigh.

As far as soul sleep is concerned ?? I assume you are talking about the verse that states absent from the body and present with the Lord?? Not sure of this new doctrine ,sorry? Anyhow, this verse is not speaking about our bodies only our Spirit.

We receive immortal bodies at the last trump, at the end of the Tribulation, when Christ returns with our rewards, and wrath for the ungodly, which is the separation from Him for eternity.

The Great Tribulation is not the wrath of God. Hell and then the Lake of Fire after the 1000 Year reign is the Wrath of God.

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels

 

[new covenant preacher]

ncp, I’m beginning to think we’re talking completely different times and events as concerning the tribulation.

I hope you do realize that those in Christ who proceed us by way of the grave are elect also. What I’m asking is that if those elect absent from the body, but present with our Lord are part of the elect, what flesh will be protected by shortening those days? Are you preaching "Soul Sleep"?

Yes, all of the Old Testament Saints will be saved as a result of the cross as well. Keep in mind they do not have glorified bodies until the return of Christ, I covered this in an earlier reply, however.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The word saved used here as well as in other scriptures, has various applications. This verse is speaking of the fact that the wrath of Satan will be so intense, that if the days were not shortened (three and a half years is the time of this Tribulation) no one would physically live through it.
See the verse below for context.

Matt 8:25 And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

Mark 8:35-36 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

 

[Eugene]

Are you preaching "Soul Sleep"?

Yes, all of the Old Testament Saints will be saved as a result of the cross as well. Keep in mind they do not have glorified bodies until the return of Christ,

ncp, I do not believe in the doctrine of soul sleep. Just as those of the Old Testament were caught up to heaven when Jesus was resurrected in what is Paradise, today 2 Cor 5:8 tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with our Lord to us that are in Christ. All Paradise used to be in the lower parts of the earth, and is where the thief went with Jesus when Jesus told him that he would be with Him that day in Paradise. Lk 23:43.

Matt 24:39-40 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

Again if I didn't say it before, this is the taking away of unbelievers at the beginning of the millennium to await judgment of the Great White Throne. Who will be left? Those not already in heaven that endured until the end of the tribulation that are physically saved to enter that special time.

The Redemption is our Salvation and nowhere in Scripture is there any mention of two gatherings

Would you consider what Jesus' angel showed John written in the book of Revelation as some shown with Jesus in heaven when He receives His own throne prior to the tribulation? For instance I've asked others who they think Jesus' angel is; do you know?

Last of all for this post I want to point to the fact that regardless when we are caught up to God's throne, it is according to the following order.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Thanks for your comment on my responses.

 

[new covenant preacher]

ncp, I do not believe in the doctrine of soul sleep. Just as those of the Old Testament were caught up to heaven when Jesus was resurrected in what is Paradise, today 2 Cor 5:8 tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with our Lord to us that are in Christ. All Paradise used to be in the lower parts of the earth, and is where the thief went with Jesus when Jesus told him that he would be with Him that day in Paradise. Lk 23:43.

Again if I didn't say it before, this is the taking away of unbelievers at the beginning of the millennium to await judgment of the Great White Throne. Who will be left? Those not already in heaven that endured until the end of the tribulation that are physically saved to enter that special time.

Would you consider what Jesus' angel showed John written in the book of Revelation as some shown with Jesus in heaven when He receives His own throne prior to the tribulation? For instance I've asked others who they think Jesus' angel is; do you know?

Last of all for this post I want to point to the fact that regardless when we are caught up to God's throne, it is according to the following order.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Thanks for your comment on my responses.

What about the real question of a (secret) gathering together of the elect before the tribulation?

 

[new covenant preacher]

Here is the real interpretation for the favorite Rapture verse used by the pre trib crowd!

1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We are not caught up in the clouds, but rather gathered together with those who come in (G 1722) the clouds, to meet or encounter the Lord of the air (1 Thes 4:17).

In 1 Thes 4:17, the Lord in the air is an incorrect translation. The word of, (G 1519) should be used as it indicates the point reached or entered of place, time, or (figurative) purpose.

The word in, (G 1722) denotes a fixed position in place or time. And we were in the ship…Acts 27:37. Another example is, Jesus was born in Bethlehem…Mat 2:1.

Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

When we see the prophecies of the end times come to pass then is our Redemption or Salvation very near. The Pre tribulation Rapture deception is a false hope that many cling to. The tribulations that once strengthened Christianity, are now avoided at all costs.

Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

These things represent the end time events of the great tribulation.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Modern day Christianity has developed for themselves at the hand of their false teachers an escape plan known as the pre tribulation rapture, wherein they might escape tribulations.

John 17:15-16 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

Jesus refutes the notion of as pre tribulation rapture, or gathering of the Saints before the appointed time.

 

[Eugene]

ncp, I do not believe in the doctrine of soul sleep. Just as those of the Old Testament were caught up to heaven when Jesus was resurrected in what is Paradise, today 2 Cor 5:8 tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with our Lord to us that are in Christ. All Paradise used to be in the lower parts of the earth, and is where the thief went with Jesus when Jesus told him that he would be with Him that day in Paradise. Lk 23:43.

What about the real question of a (secret) gathering together of the elect before the tribulation?

I'm assuming you're referring to what is called the pre-tribulation rapture. Again I will ask what you think occurred where John said in Rev 1:10? I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet. To me it has near everything pointing to such a gathering. If we can't point to certain scriptures dividing events and time, we are perfectly set to accept some of the things you attempt to expound. What did Jesus' angel say of these events? Thanks.

 

[new covenant preacher]

It has nothing to do with the gathering, as the pre trib crowd preach of a body and spirit both sent off to Heaven, a theory nowhere to be found?

 

[new covenant preacher]

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

How do you explain this verse if there is a secret rapture?

 

[Eugene]

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

When you can tell me when the Lord's day is we can establish the answer for you.
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
And then we see our brethren with Jesus when He receives His own throne prior to the Lord's Day, and you declare that it cannot be so?