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Hi Pat
The question I asked was formulated from the latest issue of the Salt Lake City Messenger. Someone is not telling the truth!
 
Nathanael Chong said:
You can obey your conscience and not be a Christian, nor are you following Christ. You are only following Jesus when you accept Him and His teachings. Your conscience has been placed in your spirit by God, but that doesn't determine whether you accept Him.
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This is the best reply yet to my first post. It is well thought out and expressed. Thanks.
 
proveallthings said:
That's putting it mildly.
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Yes, I put it mildly by design. I'm not accustomed to calling one a liar unless I know. I would like to suggest you contact the Salt Lake Messenger about the matter, I'm sure you are familiar with it and I would like to know which side of the issue has lied.
 
Webb said:
Yes, I put it mildly by design. I'm not accustomed to calling one a liar unless I know. I would like to suggest you contact the Salt Lake Messenger about the matter, I'm sure you are familiar with it and I would like to know which side of the issue has lied.
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I also hesitate to call anyone a liar. I searched their website for such a quote and couldn't find it. Did you learn of this from someone else quoting from that web site or did you see it there yourself? I think this could just be a misunderstanding of what they may have said. I will not hesitate, however, to state that the idea of LDS apostles being paid a million dollars from church tithing funds has no basis in truth. I am personally close enough to that situation to know this is a laughable claim.
 
proveallthings said:
I also hesitate to call anyone a liar. I searched their website for such a quote and couldn't find it. Did you learn of this from someone else quoting from that web site or did you see it there yourself? I think this could just be a misunderstanding of what they may have said. I will not hesitate, however, to state that the idea of LDS apostles being paid a million dollars from church tithing funds has no basis in truth. I am personally close enough to that situation to know this is a laughable claim.
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Its a full page in the "Salt Lake City Messenger" issue 121 for Oct.2013 page 19.
 
Paul traveled to nations to those that believed in gods. Paul takes notice of their acknowledgment. They may earnestly seek to know a one true real God or settle on many of them. Paul had to share with them the one true real God.

So if one is serving another god is He then serving Christ? Is he conscious of the light? In Matthew 4 They in the region sat in the darkness but light had dawned upon them. They in the region sat in the shadow of death and they had seen light. So before they knew Jesus they did not know the light.. We have the Revelation of Jesus then so representing the Light of God.

Can consciousness alone know this Light? Will this conscious seek the true God? The Patriarch yet had not sent the Word since it was Moses later who wrote these things. God had personal communication with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph. Even also to Moses I think this was important since the word then did not exist in anything. God in some way needed to reveal appearing in dreams, visions, a voice of Heaven, and a fire of flame. The presence of God could be heard audible. But God is still yet a holy God. He revealed himself in places of sacrifices and worship. God had Moses place this in writing. Even to those prophets and now the disciples of the New Testament. It now seems we find the truth of God in this writing to give us revelations about God. We can’t fully know God without knowing His word. Consciousness is not enough remember. Moses did not even know who God was before he was called. It is much why he was in great fear in God’s presence. He did not know God’s commandments. Moses even tried to ask God please God I can’t speak well. Choose someone else to do this work for you.

If one is serving another god it does not substitute serving the one true God. But if this person is in question of this god and concerning to call out whom is the one true God how will God deal with this person? I don’t want to make a judgment. This is where God comes in. I made observations of other gods. But I don’t have the answer to those who seek to know the one true. I will let God discern this.
 
Webb said:
This is off-topic but I would like to ask Proveallthings if its true that each new member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is given one million dollars?
God bless,
w
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I agree. It is off-topic.
Either start another thread or continue with the OP.
Thank you.
 
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