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God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.
Brother Pegasus gave you the answer in this;

14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The Lord is not met with the natural senses. The Lord is met with your spiritual senses if He wants to be. To receive the things of the Spirit of God, they would be spiritually discerned and in fact, you may not even realize that it's taking place when it happens. Scripture says that His Holy Spirit will come bear witness with your spirit...which does not take place in the conscious mind. If you want it in your conscious mind, then you must go to His Word...That's how the Holy Spirit operates. So when you said this,

A bunch of Bible verses won't cure me reba, the doctors that help me would be out of a job if they approached my illness with bible verses.
You were partially right and partially wrong. The Spirit's witness has been, for the most part written. First, we understand that all Scripture is given by "inspiration" (2 Timothy 3:16,17). That which has been written is adequate to answer all of our spiritual need for guidance, including the giving of assurance that we are right with God.

"Inspiration" is the method by which God led the writers of Scripture to record the things they did. This ensured that the things they wrote were what God intended, and was accomplished by the Holy Spirit guiding them in the things they wrote. The recorded words are from and by the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:13).

The things written are there by God's decree, not man's and give us everything pertaining to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:21,3). When we read these words, the words of the Bible, we are told that we "can understand" that which had been revealed "to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit." (Ephesians 3:4,5).

Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide those who had accompanied Him "from the beginning" of His ministry (John 15:26,27). This particular promise concerning the Holy Spirit was given just to the apostles, the ones who had accompanied Him (many do not understand this, but even a quick look at verse 27 as well as the context shows this is so). It was not spoken to all disciples in general. Jesus explains this is necessary so the apostles could be taught "all things" and be led to a perfect "remembrance of all that I said to you." (John 14:26). Simply put, this means that nothing has been left out of the inspired record. "All things" necessary have been revealed and recalled to apostolic memory, and recorded for us in the pages of the New Testament. By the time of the death of John, the last surviving apostle who had been with Jesus, the inspired writings of the New Covenant were complete. Then the only remaining task was to assemble them into one book, the New Testament.

It is too bad that not everyone has faith in God's power and Jesus' promise concerning this, insisting instead that we must have some sort of extra-biblical guidance. Some say we must have modern day prophets to reveal additional truths. Others say religious leaders should occasionally update the Biblical teachings through creed making. Why is their faith in God so small? John, speaking in behalf of all the inspired apostles, said, "We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error." (1 John 4:6). It is the keeping the commandments given us by the Spirit that the Scriptures link to how we know the Spirit is in us. "And the one who keeps the commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And we know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us." (1 John 3:24).

The Spirit bears witness that we have become God's children by informing us what is involved in becoming such. If you have done what the Spirit says, then the Spirit says you are a child of God.

The Spirit tells us that we become children of God by faith. We are told this entails being baptized to put on Christ (Galatians 3:26,27). This has to be so because it is the Holy Spirit's testimony. If I, in my spirit, can say, "I have done that." then the Holy Spirit bears witness with my Spirit that I am a child of God.

But if I must say, "I have not done that" then I have the Spirit's testimony that I am not a child of God (Acts 2:38; 22:16; Colossians 2:12, etc.).

So you see, if you want to connect with and draw closer to God, you will spend time reading His Word and meditating on it (don't just read it like a book). Pray before reading His Word, for revelation and understanding in His Word. For me, many times, me reading His Word is like a prayer almost, I talk to God while reading. What's that mean, Lord? :yes
 

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(1) Does God have to be met with the 5+ base senses?
For the sake of brevity, I'm only quoting your first sentence, but this was too good to be overlooked. rpguy you asked for a substantive response and seemed to move past your first one right away. I have to ask if you took it in.
 
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Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.

You can't measure gods power you can put 1000 barriers in his way and he'll knock them down in a blink of an eye you can't confine him to human standards and knowledge he's the alpha and the Omega the first and the last the beginning and the end Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. Please I urge to accept Christ in your life today and repent of your sins God promises if you do this you will be saved and God has never and will never break his promises. God Is very real just as real as you and me.
 

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Consider this.... There are a race of people who use a thing that they call a network......get back to me later on this one.
 
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Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.
God is spirit, so He communicates with us through His Holy Spirit to our spirit. He does not use our physical senses (eg. Auditory, Visual, Taste, Touch, Smell). God did however make the heavens and then the earth. That is to say that there are patterns on earth that are like heaven. We have physical ears, and it turns out that we have spiritual ears. We have physical eyes, and it turns out we have spiritual eyes, and so on.

For example: look at Gen 15:1 ... the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision, saying...

Abram saw the Lord in a dream: was that Visual? We don't see vision we our physical eyes, but with our spiritual eyes. Abram heard God saying to him "..." in that vision. Was that with his physical ears? Certainly not, we don't hear something in a visions with our physical ears but with our spiritual ears.

Yet we read in the Bible that many do not hear with their ears and see with their eyes.

Jn 12:40 HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEARTS, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.

Mat 13:14 Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.

Of course people have physical eyes and ears, and people hear and see with them, but thinking God uses those senses show a lack of understanding. Again, God is spirit, and so we are looking for words from His Spirit to our spirit.

Jn 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.

You have to seek the Lord by faith. If you seek Him you will find Him, but where do you find His words? Is it in your physical ears? Is it on pages with ink on them? My friends, God spoke to people in the past with His Spirit to their spirit, and they understood where to find His words.

Rom 10: 8 But what does it say? "THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, in your mouth and in your heart" - that is, the word of faith which we are preaching.

It is amazing. We are preaching that we find the word of God near us, in our mouth and in our heart, and we tell them that God is spirit and about the Holy Spirit of God, but they think they must have to hear sound waves with their physical ears, which must be processed with their mind.

Jn 16:13 But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own Initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak...

I can show people the Scriptures. I can testify about hearing Him. I can give them all this information, but to really believe they must seek Him themselves, because it is also written the faith comes from hearing. Rm 10:17

They must seek the Lord Jesus Christ. If they do they will find Him. Oh, maybe not with a quick half hearted effort, but if they truly want to seek the Lord they will find Him. That too is written about in the Bible.
 
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There all the bases senses one has to interpret any information, I can't see how the spirit of God can communicate with someone deprived of any sense.

So when the spirit of God talks to you in it's voice, is that not an internal auditory stimulation?

Or when the spirit of God moves you in praise or worship, is that not an emotional stimulation?

Or when the spirit shows you something spiritual in your mind or outside of yourself, is that not a visual stimulation?

A schizophrenic mind can create such thing's and more.
Sorry Brother but you have that wrong. It's not your flesh senses with which you engage God, but your spiritual senses. Through your spirit.

You've never been taught that and neither have I, but they're very real. Part of becoming as a little child is setting aside the flesh, it's senses, intellect and so forth. Then walk in the Spirit using your spiritual senses.

For every natural sense that you have, there's a corresponding spiritual one...at least. .
 
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Consider this, you have an illness that can manufacture any sensory form of information.

Such as:

Auditory
Visual
Taste
Touch
Smell
&Feel

These are the 5 + base senses we all take for granted, but my brain can create false readings.

Here's my question:

God has to be met by one of these sensors in order to communicate with me, but how can I trust my sense's when they can operate as invisibly as God.

Can you perceive the dilemma I face

God is supposed to communicate with me via one of my sensors invisibly.

A psychotic affected mind can manufacture sensory information invisibly.

And don't just say the usual ok, thank you.
Hi RP, Any psychotic effected mind is affected by Chemical imbalance. It is a hard life to be that way. They have many new medicines that can Help, But if you sincerely called upon the name of the Lord, He can heal, and will bring you home.