Phil 1:6 teaches eternal security

[FreeGrace]

Gal 1:6 - being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

The phrase "He who began a good work in you" refers to God who saves the believer. The "good work" refers to our salvation. God is the author and finisher of our salvation, per Heb 12:2.

The phrase "will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus" refers to the believer entering eternity with God.

Notice that it is God who does the saving and God who does the completion of His good work in the believer.

Those who believe that salvation can be lost are invited to exegete this verse and explain why it doesn't teach eternal security and what it really does teach.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

I completely agree with what you stated. The pertinent question here is , how can a believer be defined. Is he / she keeping the commands of the Lord or providing lip service and obtaining a pass into heaven ? Paul is referring to those believers who have not only believed but were obeying as well. Then who can deny them salvation?
We must remember all apostles including Paul were obedient to the point of death

 

[chessman]

The pertinent question here is , how can a believer be defined.

First, Phil 1:6 doesn’t say anything about a believer.

Second, Paul says exactly who it is that God began a good work in (“all partakers” of Grace, not some but all):

It is right for me to feel this way about you all, because I hold you in my heart, for you are all partakers with me of grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel.​

Philippians 1:7 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:7&version=ESV

As for your ‘definition’ of what constitutes a believer;

Is he / she keeping the commands of the Lord

Have you even read the passage???
Paul indeed includes some partakers of Grace who are envious and rivalrous in with “all partakers of Grace” and are even still those that God will finish what He began.

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will.​

Philippians 1:15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:15&version=ESV

 

[FreeGrace]

My bad! It's not Galatians but Philippians 1:6.

Let the discussion carry on.

 

[FreeGrace]

I completely agree with what you stated. The pertinent question here is , how can a believer be defined.

Sure. Easily. One who believes the promise Jesus makes regarding salvation. He who believe in Me HAS eternal life. John 6:47

Is he / she keeping the commands of the Lord or providing lip service and obtaining a pass into heaven ?

Why bring up false issues? Where does the Bible mention a "pass into heaven"? That's just perjorative language and doesn't need to be used.

Let's focus on what the Bible says.

Regarding lip service, Jesus said a lot about it. Matt 15:8 is one example. He charged the Pharisees with lip service and called them hypocrites.

Paul is referring to those believers who have not only believed but were obeying as well. Then who can deny them salvation?

The Bible says one is saved on the basis of believing.

We must remember all apostles including Paul were obedient to the point of death

And?

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

No personal attacks please . I perfectly understand what Paul is saying. If by the standard that "The Bible says one is saved on the basis of believing." Then brother chessman Judas was likely saved too. According to Matthew 27: 3-5 Judas was remorseful of his betrayal and the silver and hanged himself. What if he believed moments before hanging himself . If that's the case by "believing is saving" interpretation he must be sitting with the Lord Jesus in heaven this very minute as we debate this. Judas , Osama bin Laden , Hitler .... list goes on and on could likely be in heaven for aforementioned reasons.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Sure. Easily. One who believes the promise Jesus makes regarding salvation. He who believe in Me HAS eternal life. John 6:47


Why bring up false issues? Where does the Bible mention a "pass into heaven"? That's just perjorative language and doesn't need to be used.

Let's focus on what the Bible says.

Regarding lip service, Jesus said a lot about it. Matt 15:8 is one example. He charged the Pharisees with lip service and called them hypocrites.


The Bible says one is saved on the basis of believing.


And?

Is Judas saved too, he likely believed before ending his life ( Matthew 27: 3-5)
In my humble opinion "
easy believism" doctrine makes a mockery of the true message

 

[chessman]

No personal attacks please .

None were posted. We all love the Lord here.

I perfectly understand what Paul is saying.

Then reconcile how the preachers of Christ from envy and rivalry are keeping His commands.

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will.​

Philippians 1:15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:15&version=ESV

Could it be that Paul’s point was that God was finishing the work He began in them as He was those that preached Christ from good will?

If by the standard that "The Bible says one is saved on the basis of believing." Then brother chessman Judas was likely saved too.

Salvation is on the basis of belief, yet not on likelihoods.

According to Matthew 27: 3-5 Judas was remorseful of his betrayal and the silver and hanged himself. What if he believed moments before hanging himself .

What is the likelihood that Judas believed Jesus was Christ and rose from the grave as his Lord, moments before he hung himself with Satan in him?

Isn’t it more likely that Jesus finished what He started in Judas?

And after the piece-of-bread, at that time Satan entered into that one. Then Jesus says to him, “What you are doing, do quicker ”. Now none of the ones reclining-back [to eat] understood this— for what purpose He said it to him. For some were thinking, since Judas had the money- box, that Jesus was telling him, “Buy the things of which we have a need for the Feast”, or that he should give something to the poor.​

John 13:27-29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:27-29&version=DLNT

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

None were posted. We all love the Lord here.

Then reconcile how the preachers of Christ from envy and rivalry are keeping His commands.

Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will.​

Philippians 1:15 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Philippians 1:15&version=ESV

Could it be that Paul’s point was that God was finishing the work He began in them as He was those that preached Christ from good will?



Salvation is on the basis of belief, yet not on likelihoods.


What is the likelihood that Judas believed Jesus was Christ and rose from the grave as his Lord, moments before he hung himself with Satan in him?

Isn’t it more likely that Jesus finished what He started in Judas?

And after the piece-of-bread, at that time Satan entered into that one. Then Jesus says to him, “What you are doing, do quicker ”. Now none of the ones reclining-back [to eat] understood this— for what purpose He said it to him. For some were thinking, since Judas had the money- box, that Jesus was telling him, “Buy the things of which we have a need for the Feast”, or that he should give something to the poor.​

John 13:27-29 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=John 13:27-29&version=DLNT

Nobody knows if Judas believed or not . It's speculation that he didn't or did. My question went UNANSWERED. What if he did believe . Is he saved? . I'm asking because by your interpretation he is saved for eternity

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

Forgot to add Satan believed too in Christ

 

[Eugene]

We must remember all apostles including Paul were obedient to the point of death

Really? Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. But then don't we have to ask if Peter was born of God don't we? Do you think he was?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (What do you think?)

 

[chessman]

My question went UNANSWERED.

It was ANSWERED.

“What you are doing, do quicker ”.

And Judas did just that and finished what he was doing quickly.

In fact so quick, He died before Jesus died, was buried and rose from the grave. Judas couldn’t possibly believed the Gospel.

He regretted identifying an innocent man, he never repented of his sins and believed the Gospel that saves.

 

[WIP]

My bad! It's not Galatians but Philippians 1:6.

Let the discussion carry on.

If you'd like, I think I can fix the thread title for you.

 

[FreeGrace]

No personal attacks please . I perfectly understand what Paul is saying. If by the standard that "The Bible says one is saved on the basis of believing." Then brother chessman Judas was likely saved too. According to Matthew 27: 3-5 Judas was remorseful of his betrayal and the silver and hanged himself. What if he believed moments before hanging himself . If that's the case by "believing is saving" interpretation he must be sitting with the Lord Jesus in heaven this very minute as we debate this. Judas , Osama bin Laden , Hitler .... list goes on and on could likely be in heaven for aforementioned reasons.

Just a whole lot of assumptions going on here. There is no evidence at all that Judas ever believed. He was an opportunist.

 

[FreeGrace]

Is Judas saved too, he likely believed before ending his life ( Matthew 27: 3-5)

No, he was never saved. There is no evidence for that.

In my humble opinion "easy believism" doctrine makes a mockery of the true message

So is your doctrine "difficult believism"?

If so, why did Jesus say this, in Matt 11:28-30 -
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

What was He referring to?

btw, your posts aren't providing any explanation of what the OP verse is really teaching, since it's clear your view is in disagreement with the OP.

So, what was Paul saying?

 

[FreeGrace]

Nobody knows if Judas believed or not . It's speculation that he didn't or did. My question went UNANSWERED. What if he did believe . Is he saved? . I'm asking because by your interpretation he is saved for eternity

The answer to your question here was answered directly by Jesus in John 10:28. Those to whom He gives eternal life shall never perish.

Please note that Jesus gave NO CONDITIONS to recipients of eternal life in order to stay saved, etc.

 

[FreeGrace]

Forgot to add Satan believed too in Christ

How does that matter? Did Jesus die for any angels? Heb 2:16 gives us the answer to that.

Of course EVERY fallen angel knows that the Son of God is the Savior of the world. They all lived with Him at one time, before they fell.

And all of that is irrelevant to the issue of man's salvation.

 

[FreeGrace]

If you'd like, I think I can fix the thread title for you.

Please do. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Butch5]

Gal 1:6 - being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

The phrase "He who began a good work in you" refers to God who saves the believer. The "good work" refers to our salvation. God is the author and finisher of our salvation, per Heb 12:2.

The phrase "will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus" refers to the believer entering eternity with God.

Notice that it is God who does the saving and God who does the completion of His good work in the believer.

Those who believe that salvation can be lost are invited to exegete this verse and explain why it doesn't teach eternal security and what it really does teach.

Where do you see anything you said in that passage? He's talking to the Philippians, not all Christians. He said nothing about salvation. If you do a study of Paul's ministry you'll quickly see what the "good work" was.

 

[Rajesh Sahu]

It was ANSWERED.

And Judas did just that and finished what he was doing quickly.

In fact so quick, He died before Jesus died, was buried and rose from the grave. Judas couldn’t possibly believed the Gospel.

He regretted identifying an innocent man, he never repented of his sins and believed the Gospel that saves.

You are assuming many things for Judas . My dimple question is WHST IF HE BELIEVED? a man who is so bitterly remorseful of his dastardly act that he ends up RETURNING THE silver he took and then decided to end his life , likely hD a huge change of heart . So question still sits there UNANSWERED. If Judas did believe Jesus as Savior , he is sitting at the Lord's table right now. Who can stop him. He believed