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No not at all, although I am not familiar with their music. It is hard to draw lines on this issue, but music has a spiritual element to it and its kinda judged by spiritual senses i think?
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farouk
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George Muller: Ty, and I guess when it comes to style we are entering a subjective realm. Fact is, some of the lyrics of a band such as Disciple are extraordinarily bold and hard hitting when it comes to being Scriptural and being in the forefront of young people's earnest stands for the Gospel in a hostile world. If you ever get the opportunity to hear a track such as Battle Lines by Disciple, for instance, you'll see what I mean.
Blessings.
farouk
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Edward:
Yes, I agree. Don't thank me; thank questdriven, a woman who is already a somewhat of a knowledgeable expert on Christian hard rock; she drew my attention to this track.
Yes, I thought this Disciple track is nothing less than outstanding.
The quality of hard rock is excellent and the Biblical lyrics...well, they just blow you away with their incisive confidence.
There is a sense in which there are things that bode rather well for testimony in the future if Christian young people are into this kind of clear witness.
Blessings.
farouk
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Edward:
I'm very much in favor of young people wanting to identify with Christian hard rockers particularly if in fact the clarity of their testimony is like Disciple's.
Blessings.
A more recent band that has bold lyrics is October Glory. They don't have much of a web presence right now, but I saw them in person once. They read Scripture in between songs, too.
farouk
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questdriven:
Thanks; interesting, I'll have to check out October glory.
Are they hard rock, too (rather than soft rock, easy listening, etc.)?
Blessings.
Yeah, hard rock.
A couple of their songs are played on the local Christian radio station, but the majority of their songs are "too hard" for the kind of style the station intends to play. (Basically, they play general Christian contemporary. Matthew West, etc.)
farouk
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questdriven:
'Too hard'?
how do you mean? Like the way Disciple (a great band) has lyrics, part of which are meant to be sung in a throaty scream?Blessings.
I don't remember about that in particular. Been a couple months since I saw them. I don't have any CDs, and there aren't really any good recordings of their music online.
questdriven:
'Too hard'?
Blessings.
Most of their songs are similar to Disciple in the way the music sounds. I don't think they'd play many of Disciple's songs, either.
That said, the radio station does have quite a variety. They even have a couple of rap songs (although I'm not a particular fan of that) and I heard a Relient K song once.
farouk
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questdriven:
Anyway, kind of loud electric guitar, drums and clear Biblical lyrics, kind of thing, I suppose, with October Glory, like Disciple?
Re. the throaty roar that is partly screamed by Disciple in its lyrics, it's simply part of hard rock, isn't it?
Blessings.
farouk
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Edward:
Interesting; ty!
This track is anyhow kind of Southern Gospel, almost Country and Western style.
Blessings.
farouk
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farouk
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Edward:
Yes, with some of the Christian hard rock bands, such as Disciple and others such as October Glory, too, it's the case of bold and uncompromising Biblical lyrics reinforced and delivered in authentic, insistent style.
Blessings.
turnorburn
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Try this.. how many of you have pets? because this will only work if you have pets O.k.? Take your hard rock music crank up the volume like you usually do, take your dog.. cat.. dog and cat.. take any of those pets and sit them in the room and watch closely how they behave. That done.. take those same pets change the music to your traditional mellow Christian gospel music.. now compare notes..
tob
tob
When I've played my music before (I often have it turned up loud when no one else is home) my dog has never seemed to care.
Even so, I never understood this as an argument against rock. Of course animals wouldn't like it, it's loud and may hurt their sensitive hearing. That doesn't really say anything to me other than try to be considerate to my dog's hearing. Which, apparently the volume I consider loud when sitting in front of my laptop isn't a problem in that respect.
Would other types of music when played loudly affect their hearing as much? Probably not as much, but that's just because it's different. Again, this just tells me to exercise caution, not that it's evil.
I realize you don't want to discuss this and I apologize if I'm offending you. That is not my intention. But if you post an argument, then it's only natural to expect a response.
In any case, I myself would rather not argue about it, because these things tend to cause division unless they can be discussed peaceably.
Lastly, as I said, don't think I didn't put a lot of thought into my decision to listen to Christian rock. I'm tempted to say that, thanks to my background, when it comes to arguments against modern music, I've heard them all. Truth is, I can't say that for sure, but I certainly have heard quite a lot.
Truth is, God has at times spoken to me through Christian rock and contemporary music. For encouragement, for worship. When it comes to any modern worship music, I find that, just as with hymns, I DON'T want to listen to it when my heart isn't in the right place, especially if there is sin in my heart.
So yes, I pay attention to how it affects me. If I thought, or God showed me, that it affected me in a bad way, I'd have stopped listening to it before I really started.
P.S.
@turnorburn Out of curiosity, I'd like to ask you a question. Due to the nature of the question, I'll completely understand if you'd rather not answer.
Okay, so I noticed that in one of your recent threads in this section was a letter from Russia. Do you happen to live there, or outside the US? Because the situation may be different in another country/culture, and there are possibly cases related to that in which it might be best to avoid certain types of music, to either avoid the appearance of evil as perceived by others around you or to avoid being a stumbling block for the the weaker brothers and sisters in Christ.
Even so, I never understood this as an argument against rock. Of course animals wouldn't like it, it's loud and may hurt their sensitive hearing. That doesn't really say anything to me other than try to be considerate to my dog's hearing. Which, apparently the volume I consider loud when sitting in front of my laptop isn't a problem in that respect.
Would other types of music when played loudly affect their hearing as much? Probably not as much, but that's just because it's different. Again, this just tells me to exercise caution, not that it's evil.
I realize you don't want to discuss this and I apologize if I'm offending you. That is not my intention. But if you post an argument, then it's only natural to expect a response.
In any case, I myself would rather not argue about it, because these things tend to cause division unless they can be discussed peaceably.
Lastly, as I said, don't think I didn't put a lot of thought into my decision to listen to Christian rock. I'm tempted to say that, thanks to my background, when it comes to arguments against modern music, I've heard them all. Truth is, I can't say that for sure, but I certainly have heard quite a lot.
Truth is, God has at times spoken to me through Christian rock and contemporary music. For encouragement, for worship. When it comes to any modern worship music, I find that, just as with hymns, I DON'T want to listen to it when my heart isn't in the right place, especially if there is sin in my heart.
So yes, I pay attention to how it affects me. If I thought, or God showed me, that it affected me in a bad way, I'd have stopped listening to it before I really started.
P.S.
@turnorburn Out of curiosity, I'd like to ask you a question. Due to the nature of the question, I'll completely understand if you'd rather not answer.
Okay, so I noticed that in one of your recent threads in this section was a letter from Russia. Do you happen to live there, or outside the US? Because the situation may be different in another country/culture, and there are possibly cases related to that in which it might be best to avoid certain types of music, to either avoid the appearance of evil as perceived by others around you or to avoid being a stumbling block for the the weaker brothers and sisters in Christ.
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turnorburn
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Animals are effected.. I've tested it, but isn't this about us its our children I'm most concerned about, seems they are the ones the devil likes to pick on the most.. You don't have to answer this question I'll understand, but do you have any small children that listen along with you?
tob
tob
Not really. There's my little brother, but he's in his teens.
farouk
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questdriven:
Yes, particularly when the lyrics are Biblical, Christian rock can be stirring.
For example, the track you introduced me to - Disciple's Battle Lines - is thoroughly Biblical, and it's a beautiful piece of music.
Blessings.
turnorburn
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Sorry for not getting back to you questdriven, it was a toddler i was thinking about, that toddler a woman carries around inside of her for nine months they have feelings as well..
Found this today..
THE SNOWBALL EFFECT
Sooner or later Christians must get rid of the wrong kind of music, or it will take them the wrong way. There are good Christians who listen to the wrong music sometimes; but after they are instructed, if they keep on listening to that and liking it, I know something is not right. It's one way of finding out where they are at. You cannot feed yourself on carnal music, and take it into yourself, without getting carnal.
Those who try to witness to folk understand the power of rock and roll music, or the television blaring, or something else going on in the background that draws you away from that spirit of being concerned for someone's soul. It's because the appeal is to the flesh, to get you out of the Spirit and into the flesh. The Bible says, "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16). If you don't walk in the Spirit, you will fulfill the lusts of the flesh; and the Bible says that "when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:15).
I wouldn't care about any of these things if it didn't cause harm to me and to you, but it does. It does. It always does. It's just that it appears to be harmless when the sensual rhythms are disguised somewhat. It leads you on to desiring more sensual rhythms, just like anything else. It creates sensual appetites.
It's in every area of life. If you take one sip of beer, you will take two, three. You start drinking the wines, then the hard liquors. In the drug scene you go from the marijuana and the hash to the hard drugs. It's a progression. "Earthly, sensual, devilish." A little bit of evil to a lot more evil. The Bible warns the Christian to stay away from vain babblings because "they will increase unto more ungodliness" (2 Timothy 2:16). They increase. It's the snowball effect. You put a little snowball at the top of the hill and roll it awhile, and soon it will gather more snow and more snow, and pretty soon you have a whole snowman, or an avalanche, or something else much bigger than the snowball you started with. It's a snowball effect when it comes to your body liking certain rhythms that are meant to stir up your passions.
The devil uses a progression to draw people away from God and holiness. There was almost nobody from my sixties generation that would sing a song about devil worship. As a matter of fact, at the end of my rock and roll years, even though I was not saved, it was a difficult thing for me to even sing about songs that mentioned the devil. I could not understand what the Rolling Stones were doing singing about the devil. I thought, "What does that have to do with hamburgers and French fries and girls and beaches and Coca Cola and surfing and Woodies?" It did not compute, until after I got saved and read the Bible and found that the devil has been trying to get everybody to worship him. And he takes every generation as far as he can.
When you change the rhythm, you tend to change the style that a person sings in. If you play "I Was Sinking Deep In Sin" with a boogie blues background, you feel like singing with an Elvis Presley style. It is hard to play carnal rhythms and sing spiritually.
Of the three aspects of music, it is the rhythm that should be the least important. It is the spirit which is the most important. Dance music is primarily for the body. It's not something that appeals to the thoughts and spirit. It's not something, really, that appeals to the feelings.
tob
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Ives1.html
Found this today..
THE SNOWBALL EFFECT
Sooner or later Christians must get rid of the wrong kind of music, or it will take them the wrong way. There are good Christians who listen to the wrong music sometimes; but after they are instructed, if they keep on listening to that and liking it, I know something is not right. It's one way of finding out where they are at. You cannot feed yourself on carnal music, and take it into yourself, without getting carnal.
Those who try to witness to folk understand the power of rock and roll music, or the television blaring, or something else going on in the background that draws you away from that spirit of being concerned for someone's soul. It's because the appeal is to the flesh, to get you out of the Spirit and into the flesh. The Bible says, "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16). If you don't walk in the Spirit, you will fulfill the lusts of the flesh; and the Bible says that "when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death" (James 1:15).
I wouldn't care about any of these things if it didn't cause harm to me and to you, but it does. It does. It always does. It's just that it appears to be harmless when the sensual rhythms are disguised somewhat. It leads you on to desiring more sensual rhythms, just like anything else. It creates sensual appetites.
It's in every area of life. If you take one sip of beer, you will take two, three. You start drinking the wines, then the hard liquors. In the drug scene you go from the marijuana and the hash to the hard drugs. It's a progression. "Earthly, sensual, devilish." A little bit of evil to a lot more evil. The Bible warns the Christian to stay away from vain babblings because "they will increase unto more ungodliness" (2 Timothy 2:16). They increase. It's the snowball effect. You put a little snowball at the top of the hill and roll it awhile, and soon it will gather more snow and more snow, and pretty soon you have a whole snowman, or an avalanche, or something else much bigger than the snowball you started with. It's a snowball effect when it comes to your body liking certain rhythms that are meant to stir up your passions.
The devil uses a progression to draw people away from God and holiness. There was almost nobody from my sixties generation that would sing a song about devil worship. As a matter of fact, at the end of my rock and roll years, even though I was not saved, it was a difficult thing for me to even sing about songs that mentioned the devil. I could not understand what the Rolling Stones were doing singing about the devil. I thought, "What does that have to do with hamburgers and French fries and girls and beaches and Coca Cola and surfing and Woodies?" It did not compute, until after I got saved and read the Bible and found that the devil has been trying to get everybody to worship him. And he takes every generation as far as he can.
When you change the rhythm, you tend to change the style that a person sings in. If you play "I Was Sinking Deep In Sin" with a boogie blues background, you feel like singing with an Elvis Presley style. It is hard to play carnal rhythms and sing spiritually.
Of the three aspects of music, it is the rhythm that should be the least important. It is the spirit which is the most important. Dance music is primarily for the body. It's not something that appeals to the thoughts and spirit. It's not something, really, that appeals to the feelings.
tob
http://www.biblebelievers.com/Ives1.html
Since you brought it up, it could and has been argued that the Psalms actually support rock music.
You'll notice, at any rate, that the instruments mentioned in the Psalms were pretty much the loudest ones at the time.
For some reason or another, God made our bodies so that they want to move in response to certain types of music--this doesn't make them wrong or necessarily "of the flesh". I believe the Psalms talk about dancing in praise of God, and Scripture mentions several times that King David danced for joy of the Lord.
There are indeed circumstances where it'd be best to avoid certain music--it may indeed tempt someone who came from a lifestyle of rock music with unGodly lyrics and messages. This is why we are commanded to take heed that we not create a stumbling block for others who may need more barriers for themselves than we have.
But this hardly means that rock music with Godly lyrics and messages is somehow a bad thing.
Lastly, none of the arguments I have ever seen against rock have ANY direct basis in Scripture, or they claim a verse supports their case when, really, that's very debatable.
The Bible says next to nothing about music, and nothing specifically against any type of music. Indeed, they appeared to have used whatever music was popular at the time. If music styles were actually important, I'd think the Bible would say so clearly as it does with other things.
The instruments the Psalms talked about have their modern equivalents in rock music--guitars are stringed instruments, keyboards can simulate many instruments, drums are the modern equivalent of cymbals and tamberines.Psalm 150 said:
You'll notice, at any rate, that the instruments mentioned in the Psalms were pretty much the loudest ones at the time.
For some reason or another, God made our bodies so that they want to move in response to certain types of music--this doesn't make them wrong or necessarily "of the flesh". I believe the Psalms talk about dancing in praise of God, and Scripture mentions several times that King David danced for joy of the Lord.
There are indeed circumstances where it'd be best to avoid certain music--it may indeed tempt someone who came from a lifestyle of rock music with unGodly lyrics and messages. This is why we are commanded to take heed that we not create a stumbling block for others who may need more barriers for themselves than we have.
But this hardly means that rock music with Godly lyrics and messages is somehow a bad thing.
Lastly, none of the arguments I have ever seen against rock have ANY direct basis in Scripture, or they claim a verse supports their case when, really, that's very debatable.
The Bible says next to nothing about music, and nothing specifically against any type of music. Indeed, they appeared to have used whatever music was popular at the time. If music styles were actually important, I'd think the Bible would say so clearly as it does with other things.
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