Only that one time, but I'd do it again.
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Poll re. good tattoo artist career for a Christian woman
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farouk
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questdriven:
I think it was the faith based aspect, and your sense of creativity as an artist also, that really appealed to you, maybe?
(What some people tend to forget, of course, is that tattooists are first and foremost artists: they draw and design, they use ink, and they exercise creative flair. It's also essentially about needles, too, as the means to deliver the ink to the particular canvas, the skin, but it shouldn't be forgotten that in the first place they need to have a sense of personal and professional satisfaction in being an artist.)
Blessings.
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Free Christian
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Farouk, in answer to your post 399, same answer as my post in 365.
farouk
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Free Christian:
Okay, thanks. I was really thinking of your post #384 when I posted #399; i.e., your experience (about which you obviously comment fairly in terms of what has and has not happened to you) has been different from, for example, one truth's, referred to in #399. I guess it's inevitable that people's experiences are going to vary. (I'm getting the impression also that one truth actively wants and seeks out opportunities to use hers in witness.)
Thanks again for your thoughts. Blessings.
farouk
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PS: @Deborah13
I think also just as we probably wouldn't use certain Old Testament passages to 'prove' that we should pierce our ears to show we are bondservants to Christ, so also we probably wouldn't use such verses to prove that shouldn't - for varying reasons - do it. I guess it's a bit similar with what today would be called tattoos. What Leviticus 19.28 refers to seems to have a particular context, and any necromancy association is certainly to be avoided at all costs. As you helpfully point out, pagans seeking to propitiate their supposed deities by cutting themselves detracts from the sacrfice for sin (to which the Old Testament sacrifices looked forward). I guess it could be said that a witness tattoo (Christian fish sign or Bible ref. on a wrist, arm, ankle, etc.) is designed to do exactly the opposite of the idea of pagan attempts to propitiate supposed deities, but, rather, to be a testimony. It boils down to intent, right? as you say.
So thanks for your very helpful post. Blessings.
Free Christian
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No worries Farouk. Its here I will bow out. From here on it could go on and on with what I and others think and so on. Its been a pleasure in regards to this being , for what I have experienced, a very civil exchange of views on the subject.
I always pray that the Lord leads us into His truth, me included.
I always pray that the Lord leads us into His truth, me included.
farouk
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No worries Farouk. Its here I will bow out. From here on it could go on and on with what I and others think and so on. Its been a pleasure in regards to this being , for what I have experienced, a very civil exchange of views on the subject.
I always pray that the Lord leads us into His truth, me included.
Free Christian: Your non-confrontational attitude on things where reasonable Christians sometimes hold a variety of views is certainly condusive to Godliness, Friend. Thanks again, blessings.
farouk
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PS:
On the other thread, various posters have been talking about ear piercing, a very widespread rite of passage for young women (and young men, too).
I think that, particularly given tattooing's faith based design potentials, if it is also itself regarded simply as a non threatening rite of passage, then what for_his_glory, in her comment, quoted above, says can be seen as particularly self-evident. Simply put, tattoo equality for women is so widely established. And if it's voluntarily embraced, then the faith based design testimony opportunities can make it a compelling rite of passage.
Always a voluntary rite of passage; never to be pressurized.
Blessings.
On the other thread, various posters have been talking about ear piercing, a very widespread rite of passage for young women (and young men, too).
I think that, particularly given tattooing's faith based design potentials, if it is also itself regarded simply as a non threatening rite of passage, then what for_his_glory, in her comment, quoted above, says can be seen as particularly self-evident. Simply put, tattoo equality for women is so widely established. And if it's voluntarily embraced, then the faith based design testimony opportunities can make it a compelling rite of passage.
Always a voluntary rite of passage; never to be pressurized.
Blessings.
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farouk
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Well, exactly; I don't even advocate them in the sense of: go have it done.
The plain fact is that getting them is what some women do. Getting them is what some Christian women do, too.
In the West, it is just hugely unlikely that women will go back to Victorian floor length dresses and long sleeves. And I don't think it would be a worthwhile 'cause' for Christians to want women to go back to Victorian floor length dresses and long sleeves, either.
That being said, the placements you mentioned would be widely regarded as decent, and, like you, for Christian women I don't have a problem with the idea of those placements receiving the tattoo machine, either, if this is what they wish.
And I think you said that among Christian women in Idaho it's become quite widespread anyway.
(I do tend to 'plug' the idea of considering faith based designs, mind you.)
Blessings to you and your family.
[MENTION=4376]handy[/MENTION]:
Well, exactly; I don't even advocate them in the sense of: go have it done.
The plain fact is that getting them is what some women do. Getting them is what some Christian women do, too.
In the West, it is just hugely unlikely that women will go back to Victorian floor length dresses and long sleeves. And I don't think it would be a worthwhile 'cause' for Christians to want women to go back to Victorian floor length dresses and long sleeves, either.
That being said, the placements you mentioned would be widely regarded as decent, and, like you, for Christian women I don't have a problem with the idea of those placements receiving the tattoo machine, either, if this is what they wish.
And I think you said that among Christian women in Idaho it's become quite widespread anyway.
(I do tend to 'plug' the idea of considering faith based designs, mind you.)
Blessings to you and your family.
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forgiven
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OK I will be honest that I didn't read through the entire thread it was just way too long so I may have missed some of the points made or scriptures pointed out, but here goes my thoughts. I want a faith based tattoo, and have for a long time now. I have thought long and hard on the decision and prayed and study long and hard as well. The only scripture I have found specific to this is in Leviticus that also contains laws about many other things that I do not follow. So I believe for me, it has come down to Romans chapter 14, and in particular Romans 14:14. Getting a faith based tattoo simply doesn't seem unclean nor sinful to me. If I felt in the least convicted of this then I wouldn't do it. The only reason it even occurred to me that it might be wrong is because I had heard all my life, from my mom esp., that they were 'of the devil' lol. So I did my own research on it and know my own thoughts and feelings. That isn't to say that God may not convict another person of the same thing though. I personally did the research, prayer, and sought God and well now I'm just trying to pick out my verse. Which isn't easy at all, I have soooo many verses that I count among my favorites.
I will add that I have 2 other tattoos, one that isn't faith based in the least and I cover it at all times now. [ a rebellion from my youth] and God def convicted me of that one!! And the other has my daughters name, haven't had any conviction over that one........ I believe it is as most things are, we humans can make things unclean very easily if we do not constantly seek God and his wisdom on things. He should be the first One's advice we seek before doing something.
I will add that I have 2 other tattoos, one that isn't faith based in the least and I cover it at all times now. [ a rebellion from my youth] and God def convicted me of that one!! And the other has my daughters name, haven't had any conviction over that one........ I believe it is as most things are, we humans can make things unclean very easily if we do not constantly seek God and his wisdom on things. He should be the first One's advice we seek before doing something.
farouk
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@forgiven :
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I agree; Romans 14 is pretty relevant and the faith based tattoo — though uniquely special to the person — is certainly becoming more and more widespread, and the effective source of a lot of witness conversations.
I saw this quote also:
I would actually advise a bit of caution when it comes to adolescents getting tattoos, because they do need to know their own minds first.Jamie said:
It's not for everyone, in any case, and it's likely that some Christian families are going have different ideas from other Christian families. It also needs to be admitted that the age at which young people tend to get their first tattoo may vary from one state/province to another.
But undoubtedly so many moms and dads, instead of seeing their kids' first tattoo as some kind of threat, have simply embraced the idea. After all, so many moms and dads have tatts of their own and their kids are likely to know that mom and dad have them. Simply, a lot of moms and dads tend to see it as a sort of rite of passage (not unlike getting holes in earlobes or cartilage is).
The mom, Jamie, in the quote, above, clearly thinks it's likely that her daughter will want to have it done, too, when her daughter is at an appropriate age.
Increasingly it is to be expected that some Christian moms and dads are likely to have tatts of their own, too, like you do, @forgiven , and in turn it may be that their believing son or daughter will eventually seem interested in getting a faith based tattoo (and particularly given their proven effectiveness as conversation-starters in witness situations). And I think that some Christian moms and dads are increasingly taking the attitude to their believing adolescent kids that not only can going under the tattoo machine be a source of fun (which in the end is pretty subjective, and neither here nor there, really) but also a source of testimony joy.
It's the testimony effectiveness side of faith based tattoos that is really the far more significant aspect, right?
Thanks again, @forgiven , and blessings to you and yours.
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forgiven
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Yes I really agree with this. I have been asked often about my other tattoos that I have, tats seem to be popular in my area. And so my reasoning goes to that I will be asked about the next one I get and therefore conversation starters. Can't tell you how many times before I started covering the other one that I explained to random strangers that 'Just a rebellion from my youth story.....' So how much better would it be if I can explain 'Well this verse reminds me of God's grace..... Or Christ love....... or that I'm never alone.....' That's one of the reasons it is taking me so long to figure out which one I want......
farouk
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forgiven:
Yes, it's really an act of faith for you as a tattooed woman, as you look forward to going under the needle for a faith based design, in expectation of witness opportunities, right?
Blessings.
Maedchen
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Hi, please forgive me for appearing like a fun break, but I feel led by Jesus' Spirit to mention His Father's Word here.
Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks (!) on yourself: I am The Lord."
Of course, Jesus freed us from the Mosaic Law, but still I would prefer to keep my body the way my Creator made it.
Love, Rose
Leviticus 19:28 reads, "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks (!) on yourself: I am The Lord."
Of course, Jesus freed us from the Mosaic Law, but still I would prefer to keep my body the way my Creator made it.
Love, Rose
farouk
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Hi, @Rose , thanks a lot for your comment.
The verse you quoted uses the phrase 'for the dead', seemingly putting it in the context of pagan necromancy, practised by the nations round about; also, the adjacent passage says that the corners of beards should not be trimmed: any preacher that shaves would have diffiiculty in trying to make others apply it, presumably. Interestingly, although the NKJV does use the word 'tattoo' here, the King James and the KJ21 do not. Then, as @forgiven , says, above, there is the question of Romans 14 Christian liberty. I guess someome with the motive of putting a Bible reference for witness purposes on his or her wrist would have a hard time figuring what exactly a preacher that shaves means if he tried to claim that his or her Christian liberty as per Romans 14 did not extent as far as Bible reference design on a wrist, for instance.
(I see the gender aspect of this doesn't seem to raise any particular concern with you, though.)
Thoughts?
Thanks again for your comment. Much appreciated. I guess this is quite a relevant thread these days, anyway.
Blessings.
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forgiven
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Quick answer would be yes it could......... Longer answer would be if she could have the freedom in her workplace to not do a tattoo that would interfere with her beliefs. If she had the freedom to decline certain tattoos then I would say yes, if she did not have that freedom and didn't get to pick and choose then I would say no. Would just simply depend on the situation of the person involved, her convictions and her walk with Christ IMO. Sorry I don't have a clear cut answer on this one.
p.s. would also depend on some of the 'locations' that people want their tattoos, that would be a line that would have to be toed as well.
farouk
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@forgiven :
Thanks. Yes, in terms of being clear-cut or not, I would venture to say that almost any job would at times have something about it where one has to exercise a great deal of tact, restrain and judgment, at least, occasionally.
If you developed one or two aspects of your post, they would probably be more suitable for the women's locker room section than for here, but I think it's quite compelling, by way of background, to make the observation that these days a tattoo parlor is often more like a beauty salon than a dingy place where typically only sailors, and maybe bikers, might have gone, decades ago.
And a salon is an environment where women naturally fit in, I guess. (Bearing in mind also that in North America 59% of tattoo parlor clients are women. Some areas report nearer 70%, apparently.) I think the quotation used in the OP expresses it quite well, anyway.
But you know also that the whole thing from my point of view would have real value from the faith based design and conversation-starting witness perspective. (Of course, it helps, too, if its done well aesthetically, and the aesthetic aspect is one which women are often postively sensitive to.)
You may see I also referred to one of your previous posts, above, in my response to @Rose 's post earlier.
Blessings.
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[MENTION=41474]farouk[/MENTION], what are your thoughts on this man's plight? http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...oos-face-head-nobody-will-give-him-a-job.html
farouk
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Knotical:
Interesting article; but in terms of the overall theme of this thread it's kind of only borderline relevant, I think, in the sense that clearly it can be unwise to have facial ink, like the guy in the photo, if one is going to look for a job out there.
I don't, however, think that one person's lack of wisdom in this regard, alters or nullifies other people's experiences and practices. Particularly since it has been proven that for conversation starting purposes a faith based design (not on the face!) is very effective.
In terms of your question about the man in the article, I can understand that an interviewer might think: Well, maybe someone else would be more suited to talking to our clients face to face.
In terms of job interviews more generally, however, I simply can't imagine someone interviewing an applicant and saying, 'Please, Ma'm, remove and hang your leather jacket on the peg on the wall, in case you have tattoos on your arm.' It simply doesn't work this way. What I can imagine happening, however, is for the person in this example asking for general info. about various dress policies and maybe in some circumstances, if appropriate, making a mental note to wear long sleeves, if appropriate.
I hope this goes some way towards answering your question.
Blessings.