Poll: Respecting her tattoo wish

[farouk]

Would you discount carrying a Bible to work, or wearing a prominent cross? They do not seem particularly different to me.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who had left the faith but still had the tattoo? I have. So it's not so much a discount to me as a warning.

heymikey80: Okay so if I've understood correctly you're saying that a conversation between a professing believer with a tattoo, prompted by a Bible verse design, and an unbeliever is of no value, in case the professing believer apostatizes.

Like, wait for the professing believer to apostatize to prove that there won't be any blessing.

(Not sure I follow the logic.)

 

[Tri Unity]

A "Christian" preaching the gospel to his drunk mates at the pub can also be used as a "tool". The drunk mates are going to think; 'cool, I can be a christian and still be a drunk.' The tattoo message is the same thing. Paul told the Corinthian women who were bald to cover their heads. These "christian" women were shaved because they were following the Delphi practice of oracles and prophesying (preaching). Paul had told them to cover their heads.

"it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head." (1 Cor 11:6)

The same principal applies to tattoos. They should be covered up to conceal the sin of their past life. But no. Some bright teacher is recommending that women get tattoos for their preaching. Not quite in Pauls footsteps I would say. 2

 

[farouk]

A "Christian" preaching the gospel to his drunk mates at the pub can also be used as a "tool". The drunk mates are going to think; 'cool, I can be a christian and still be a drunk.' The tattoo message is the same thing. Paul told the Corinthian women who were bald to cover their heads. These "christian" women were shaved because they were following the Delphi practice of oracles and prophesying (preaching). Paul had told them to cover their heads.

"it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, she should cover her head." (1 Cor 11:6)

The same principal applies to tattoos. They should be covered up to conceal the sin of their past life. But no. Some bright teacher is recommending that women get tattoos for their preaching. Not quite in Pauls footsteps I would say. 2

Tri Unity:

So in your view a faith based tattoo design (and many temperate, Godly Christians have them), such as a Bible ref. on a list, links Christians with drunkenness, etc., in your view?

I think this is to stretch things...

 

[farouk]

think tattos are cute if they dont get out of control. u dont want to be covered in them, but maybe a butterfly or a wave is cool

txgirlmaddy:

You have a good point about moderation, yes.

 

[farouk]

... a star? flower? key?....

PS:

handy:

Yes, these things you mention are even referred to in the Bible and have faith applications, don't they?

Blessings.

 

[reba]

Does any here trim the corners of their beard? How about allowing your wife to speak in church..... Any one like bacon or shell fish.. we all know how it goes....

Personally i dont like tatts, no one here is forcing me or any one else to have one. No one is forced to read the thread ..Farouk shows the Christian nature most of us could learn from.

Enough bashing

 

[Jethro Bodine]

(I'm shaming myself for coming back here, but here goes...)

Paul wrote the book on Christian freedom, using the eating of meats sacrificed at pagan Temples as the example to illustrate the point. But he also wrote a very stern warning to those who walk in those freedoms:

"18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?" (1 Corinthians 10:18-22 NIV1984)

So I say to any Christian who wants to borrow the pagan practice of tattooing from the world and wants to encourage others to do that, too, "are we trying to arouse the Lord's jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"

 

[farouk]

(I'm shaming myself for coming back here, but here goes...)

Paul wrote the book on Christian freedom, using the eating of meats sacrificed at pagan Temples as the example to illustrate the point. But he also wrote a very stern warning to those who walk in those freedoms:

"18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?" (1 Corinthians 10:18-22 NIV1984)

So I say to any Christian who wants to borrow the pagan practice of tattooing from the world and wants to encourage others to do that, too, "are we trying to arouse the Lord's jealousy? Are we stronger than he?"

Jethro:

So are you really saying that a faith based tattoo for witness purposes, e.g., a Bible ref. on a wrist, brings fellowship with a demon so one can no longer have fellowship with the Lord?

For example, as I read the New Testament, a false accuser is diabolos (interesting word origin). I would have thought that there is more direct teaching against false accusing than there is about a faith based Bible verse on a wrist, etc.

(I'm not accusing you of anything!)

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

You can respect someone but not necessarily agree with what they are doing. .. I believe the same thing goes for women and tattoos.

Hannah:

Well, many women don't have them, and many do.

Anyway, it's something that is widely done.

 

[heymikey80]

heymikey80: Okay so if I've understood correctly you're saying that a conversation between a professing believer with a tattoo, prompted by a Bible verse design, and an unbeliever is of no value, in case the professing believer apostatizes.

Like, wait for the professing believer to apostatize to prove that there won't be any blessing.

(Not sure I follow the logic.)

Nope, I'm pointing out that it's not any different from carrying a Bible or wearing devotional materials ... except in the case of someone who apostatizes, in which case it's actually very much like an atheist carrying a Bible and then explaining why he left the faith.

Body modification is simply a two-edged sword.

 

[abide]

Tri Unity:

So in your view a faith based tattoo design (and many temperate, Godly Christians have them), such as a Bible ref. on a list, links Christians with drunkenness, etc., in your view?

I think this is to stretch things...

Fakouk,

I would like to ask you the question I asked before.


WHY ARE YOU SO FASCINATED WITH WOMEN WHO HAVE TATTOOS. You do not have to post your answer.. Answer honestly in your heart.

 

[Tri Unity]

WHY ARE YOU SO FASCINATED WITH WOMEN WHO HAVE TATTOOS.

I asked the same question. This fascination gives me chills.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It's the woman's own business and unless she's my wife, why would she even be concerned with what I think? (Since I don't have a wife but wouldn't mind having one -- a whole 'nother thread -- I don't expect to be asked.) However, I must chime in and ask why the interest, Farouk? Unless she's your wife, why do you care?

 

[farouk]

heymikey80: Not sure I follow; not a few Christians have faith based tattoos, including with Bible verses; and faith-related conversations have ensued; I know.

abide; Tri Unity; thisnumberisdisconnected:

Okay so I guess at varying levels and degrees, your point would seem to be that it's not legit. for me to express myself on this very topical subject.

But presumably you think it's quite legit. for you to express yourselves in sometimes very trenchant terms.

Well, fine.

Blessings.

 

[heymikey80]

heymikey80: Not sure I follow; not a few Christians have faith based tattoos, including with Bible verses; and faith-related conversations have ensued; I know.

So do not a few former Christians and non-Christians. I know.

 

[abide]

heymikey80: Not sure I follow; not a few Christians have faith based tattoos, including with Bible verses; and faith-related conversations have ensued; I know.

abide; Tri Unity; thisnumberisdisconnected:

Okay so I guess at varying levels and degrees, your point would seem to be that it's not legit. for me to express myself on this very topical subject.

But presumably you think it's quite legit. for you to express yourselves in sometimes very trenchant terms.

Well, fine.

Blessings.

For a Christian your interest in tatoos and women seem a bit odd. You feel it is legitimate to keep up with this obsession that is how I see it. Whether the topic is legitimate is irrevelant. The problem I have is your OBSESSION with it. Why Where are these women when they discuss these things with you. The fact is that you are the only Christian that I have heard with such a topics. The next time a woman comes to you and ask about a tattoo, tell her you would prefer her to discuss the sermon on the mount. Let me know what kind of response you get. The fact that you seem so upset speaks volumes. Have a great evening.

 

[farouk]

For a Christian your interest in tatoos and women seem a bit odd. You feel it is legitimate to keep up with this obsession that is how I see it. Whether the topic is legitimate is irrevelant. The problem I have is your OBSESSION with it. Why Where are these women when they discuss these things with you. The fact is that you are the only Christian that I have heard with such a topics. The next time a woman comes to you and ask about a tattoo, tell her you would prefer her to discuss the sermon on the mount. Let me know what kind of response you get. The fact that you seem so upset speaks volumes. Have a great evening.

abide:

Who's upset?

I agree that the Sermon on the Mount is a great subject to discuss.

(Maybe you could start a thread about it?)

 

[farouk]

So do not a few former Christians and non-Christians. I know.

heymikey80: In strict terms of Biblical theology I would say that a former Christian is a contradiction in terms, as opposed to a former professing Christian.

(But maybe I digress...)

 

[BornAgain]

Farouk,

You started this thread and I commend you for responding to each and every post that had questions or comments on it. We also have a choice whether we want to visit this thread or not. There are topics that I do not choose to read for my own personal reasons but I think if you don't like the topic, stop visiting the threads. To start a thread and not address members views or opinions would be wrong and I do not see your thread as obsessive, you are just finishing what you have started.

Thank you,

BornAgain

 

[farouk]

Farouk,

You started this thread and I commend you for responding to each and every post that had questions or comments on it. We also have a choice whether we want to visit this thread or not. There are topics that I do not choose to read for my own personal reasons but I think if you don't like the topic, stop visiting the threads. To start a thread and not address members views or opinions would be wrong and I do not see your thread as obsessive, you are just finishing what you have started.

Thank you,

BornAgain

BornAgain:

Oh well, ty, anyway. I'm reminded a bit of what Abraham Lincoln said, that you can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time; but you can't please all of the people all of the time...

People: thanks for all the votes so far in the poll. There does seem to be quite a consensus, actually.