Pope Francis consoles a boy who asked if his non-believing father is in Heaven

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

Are you saying that because water submersion baptism is in practice now that is the reason for the savior's delay in returning?

Acturally I don't know much.

Does anyone know the reason Paul said he was glad he didnt baptise people anymore?

 

[godsquadgeek]

I understand what you are saying. We really need to discern both what to say, and when to say it.

When I read Mathew 10 which you quote, I see Jesus speaking to his deciples as he prepares them to go out. He is not speaking to a grieving family member who recently lost a loved one.

Fear has its place for it is the beginning of the knowledge of God. But we know perfect love drives out fear. So I see a balance, perhaps even a transformation occurring here.

Yes, but rarely do you run across deaths, more often you run across life. Buy I know the topic of the thread involves death, it is somewhat in the minority of conversations.

 

[Razeontherock]

Acturally I don't know much.

Does anyone know the reason Paul said he was glad he didnt baptise people anymore?

Yes. This starts right at the beginning of Corinthians, and gets to it by verse 17. He was making a larger point about factions splitting off within the Church based on people seeking their own glory. He wanted to remove himself from that as far as possible; today we might call these cliques, even within the same church.

Baptism doesn't make you wait for the Savior, He meets you under the water and raises you up with Him, to walk in newness of Life right then and there!

 

[Selah]

Acturally I don't know much.

Does anyone know the reason Paul said he was glad he didnt baptise people anymore?

A very good question.

Yes. This starts right at the beginning of Corinthians, and gets to it by verse 17. He was making a larger point about factions splitting off within the Church based on people seeking their own glory. He wanted to remove himself from that as far as possible; today we might call these cliques, even within the same church.

Baptism doesn't make you wait for the Savior, He meets you under the water and raises you up with Him, to walk in newness of Life right then and there!

And an excellent response. Thanks to you both.

 

[Count Duckula]

I think that the main point is that the Pope can make up whatever he wants. The dim with accept it, the bright will become apologists for him. At least within the Catholic faith. From the outside we don't really benefit by bad mouthing him. It's obvious if he's right or wrong. He's not keeping Christ's seat warm for us and we aren't going to be killed for disagreeing with him so it's not that important to us what he says.

 

[Selah]

I think that the main point is that the Pope can make up whatever he wants. The dim with accept it, the bright will become apologists for him. At least within the Catholic faith. From the outside we don't really benefit by bad mouthing him. It's obvious if he's right or wrong. He's not keeping Christ's seat warm for us and we aren't going to be killed for disagreeing with him so it's not that important to us what he says.

The Pope at any given time, with regard to whatever Pope is seated in Peter's chair, is the head of a church that contains over 1 billion members. I do not think that his teachings are without concern to their influence.
For the non-Catholic's among us I think what is opportune is our response to the boy and his suffering. And in regard also to how Pope Francis sought to console that young souls deep grief.
I appreciate what Pope Francis did in this instance. A little boy so afraid for his papa that he could not speak before the public that watched. But was consoled in private whispers to his young ears about a concern that will follow him for the rest of his life. A boy moves forward without his father. I believe it is important for his future to know or have good faith his papa is OK with God.

 

[godsquadgeek]

The Pope at any given time, with regard to whatever Pope is seated in Peter's chair, is the head of a church that contains over 1 billion members. I do not think that his teachings are without concern to their influence.
For the non-Catholic's among us I think what is opportune is our response to the boy and his suffering. And in regard also to how Pope Francis sought to console that young souls deep grief.
I appreciate what Pope Francis did in this instance. A little boy so afraid for his papa that he could not speak before the public that watched. But was consoled in private whispers to his young ears about a concern that will follow him for the rest of his life. A boy moves forward without his father. I believe it is important for his future to know or have good faith his papa is OK with God.

We should not love the world. For he that loves the world has not the love of God in him.

 

[Selah]

We should not love the world. For he that loves the world has not the love of God in him.

How does this respond to what I said?

 

[godsquadgeek]

How does this respond to what I said?

Well the Pope was putting the love of mankind above his love for God's word.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The Pope went on good works.

 

[stovebolts]

Well the Pope was putting the love of mankind above his love for God's word.

I would disagree. The Pope was comforting a child who lost his Father.

I would also say that this is not going to turn into a catholic bashing thread.

What the Pope did was the right thing to do. Had it been Billy Grahm or even you, it still would be the right thing to do.

If you have a problem with that, send me and Mike a PM.

 

[godsquadgeek]

I would disagree. The Pope was comforting a child who lost his Father.

I would also say that this is not going to turn into a catholic bashing thread.

What the Pope did was the right thing to do. Had it been Billy Grahm or even you, it still would be the right thing to do.

If you have a problem with that, send me and Mike a PM.

Sharing a false gospel is the right thing to do? I disagree. I guess I will start using another forum, if moderators believe that here. In fact moderators allowed a thread talking about other christian forums to use, like christforums.org. here is the thread:
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...hristian-political-forums.75687/#post-1457414

if you feel as I do, maybe making your way to one of those, will be better, see you guys on the other side.

 

[Selah]

Well the Pope was putting the love of mankind above his love for God's word.

I don't agree with this. I believe the Pope in this instance proved himself a good shepherd leading a little boy from his fear and sorrow for his papa's soul. An atheist that does not believe first in a god would not have their children baptized in a faith that upholds any god's words. It would not make sense. God doesn't exist but it is necessary to baptize my children so as to be in the faith of something that's not there?

 

[godsquadgeek]

I don't agree with this. I believe the Pope in this instance proved himself a good shepherd leading a little boy from his fear and sorrow for his papa's soul. An atheist that does not believe first in a god would not have their children baptized in a faith that upholds any god's words. It would not make sense. God doesn't exist but it is necessary to baptize my children so as to be in the faith of something that's not there?

sorry I won't be posting to the lounge section no more until mod's change, I will be at this forum as well:

https://www.christforums.org/forum/general-secular-topics/society-ethics-politics

 

[Selah]

Sharing a false gospel is the right thing to do, I guess I will start using another forum, if moderators believe that here. In fact moderators allowed a thread to start that aren't closing their political threads, like this one. here is the thread:
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...hristian-political-forums.75687/#post-1457414

if you feel as I do, maybe making your way to one of those, will be better, see you guys on the other side.

That seems rather drastic.
If the concern is right gospel why not then address the child's soul? They would have been sprinkled into baptism as a baby when they were brought into the Catholic faith.
Isn't then according to a right gospel, as opposed to what is called false, that little boy and his siblings souls at risk?

Would it be better the Pope told the boy his father is in Hell?

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

The Pope is just like anyone else, so on the spot would be hard to answer a question like that to a child perfectly. The pope did show compassion and comfort and that's a good practice, but he did say some things i don't believe is truth. We can pick at other people all day, I don't follow the pope or put him on a pedestal so i don't expect him to be perfect.

 

[godsquadgeek]

That seems rather drastic.
If the concern is right gospel why not then address the child's soul? They would have been sprinkled into baptism as a baby when they were brought into the Catholic faith.
Isn't then according to a right gospel, as opposed to what is called false, that little boy and his siblings souls at risk?

Would it be better the Pope told the boy his father is in Hell?

sorry, I just started an account there, so did about 5 others from here, to discuss politics and theology. See ya on the other end, unsubscribing.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I would disagree. The Pope was comforting a child who lost his Father.

I would also say that this is not going to turn into a catholic bashing thread.

What the Pope did was the right thing to do. Had it been Billy Grahm or even you, it still would be the right thing to do.

If you have a problem with that, send me and Mike a PM.

One hundred percent agreed. Nowhere in the Bible does it state having love for the Lord means that you can't show compassion to others. In fact, it was rather quite the opposite and he was just a little boy who needed comforting. Sure this life is hard and it isn't supposed to be equal to our eternal one in Heaven. But does that mean that we still don't deserve to be as happy as possible and live our life to the fullest? I think not. That's obvious since God is the one who gave us our lives to live in the first place and He loves that little boy just as much as He loves the rest of us. God bless the pope for what he did. I don't always exactly agree with him, but his heart is definitely in the right place.

 

[godsquadgeek]

One hundred percent agreed. Nowhere in the Bible does it state having love for the Lord means that you can't show compassion to others. In fact, it was rather quite the opposite and he was just a little boy who needed comforting. Sure this life is hard and it isn't supposed to be equal to our eternal one in Heaven. But does that mean that we still don't deserve to be as happy as possible and live our life to the fullest? I think not. That's obvious since God is the one who gave us our lives to live in the first place and He loves that little boy just as much as He loves the rest of us. God bless the pope for what he did. I don't always exactly agree with him, but his heart is definitely in the right place.

even if it means sharing a false gospel?

lame.

 

[King Dan of Great the 1st]

I listen again and I dont acturally think the pope said anything majorly crooked. Its not a lie to say God likes someone who does good works, works don't save but if someone does something good to God that is good, and he said to the child to pray for him.

The only thing I think could be a bit crooked is saying talk to him. You don't talk to a dead person.

If anything its only saying pray for and talk to a dead person .

But no one is perfect.

The pope never said he was in heaven. He said his part and left the rest to God.