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If God does NOT give me the choice to believe, HOW could He possibly hold me responsible for my sins? If HE causes me to be lost because I'm not one of the "chosen" ones, then how could I possibly deserve hell from a JUST God??
Hypothetical:
I steal a car. Let's call that Sin.
I get caught and arrested and sent to prison. Let's call that Hell.
The Governor decides to pardon 5 people this year. Let's call that Saved and those people Chosen.

If I am not one of the 5 people to get a pardon, is it the Governor's fault that I stole a car?
Is the Governor responsible for my guilt and the fact that I am in prison?
Does the Governor owe me a pardon?
Is the only really FAIR thing, for the Governor to pardon everyone?
 
Hypothetical:
I steal a car. Let's call that Sin.
I get caught and arrested and sent to prison. Let's call that Hell.
The Governor decides to pardon 5 people this year. Let's call that Saved and those people Chosen.

If I am not one of the 5 people to get a pardon, is it the Governor's fault that I stole a car?
Is the Governor responsible for my guilt and the fact that I am in prison?
Does the Governor owe me a pardon?
Is the only really FAIR thing, for the Governor to pardon everyone?


Let's use a biblical example.


God chooses Paul for the purpose of taking the Gospel to the gentiles.

The Lord reveals Himself to Paul on the road to Damascus, and Paul gets saved, and is commissioned to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

14 And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:14-18

This is Paul's purpose, that he was chosen for.

Paul still must do everything else everybody must do to be saved, which is continue in the faith. The very thing that he taught everyone they must do to be saved.


This purpose that Paul was chosen for, does not somehow guarantee that Paul can never lose his salvation.


24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown.26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27



6 For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing. 2 Timothy 4:6-8



JLB
 
Hypothetical:
I steal a car. Let's call that Sin.
I get caught and arrested and sent to prison. Let's call that Hell.
The Governor decides to pardon 5 people this year. Let's call that Saved and those people Chosen.

If I am not one of the 5 people to get a pardon, is it the Governor's fault that I stole a car?
Is the Governor responsible for my guilt and the fact that I am in prison?
Does the Governor owe me a pardon?
Is the only really FAIR thing, for the Governor to pardon everyone?
I like JLB's reply, no. 263.

Our salvation must depend on us. It seems to me we're talking about salvation now with your example...
If it doesn NOT depend on us, then God is not a just God and I'd have difficulty following and respecting Him.

Your example:
No one should get a pardon. Why should 5 get a pardon and the rest spend time in jail?
Is this Governor a just governor?

If you stole a car you deserve to be in jail.
YOU are responsible for your guilt.

Now, someone comes along and tells the governor that he's willing to DIE for everyone in jail.
There is a condition, however. ONLY those who accept to follow the rules and regulations of the person who is going to die will be released from jail. The terms are not easy to those who have been criminals all their lives.

So now, the CHOICE to be released from jail is up to ME and not up to a governor who is not just.
If I accept the terms, I am saved.
If I don't accept the terms, I remain in jail.

This seems like the type of situation a just governor would accept.
It cannot be up to HIM to decide if I am freed or not.
What would his decision be based upon?
A whim?

That is simply not the God I know and love.
 
Should we use mans thinking to justify God?

Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
 
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This purpose that Paul was chosen for, does not somehow guarantee that Paul can never lose his salvation.
It is actually amazing, but you are refuting a claim that I am not even making.
Her question was about God being responsible for MY sin if he did not forgive me.

If I loose my salvation, then her argument is just as valid.
If God had killed me when I was saved, then I would spend eternity in heaven, but God didn't kill me so now I burn for eternity in hell.
Back to Wondering's question ... How is that JUST? LOVING? MERCIFUL?

Traditional Calvinism believes that God chooses sinful men, grants them faith and empowers them to persevere. Free Will says I can be saved for a while and heaven bound, then 'jump' through God's fingers and end up in Hell. Which theology really paints God as a monster?
 
It is actually amazing, but you are refuting a claim that I am not even making.
Her question was about God being responsible for MY sin if he did not forgive me.

If I loose my salvation, then her argument is just as valid.
If God had killed me when I was saved, then I would spend eternity in heaven, but God didn't kill me so now I burn for eternity in hell.
Back to Wondering's question ... How is that JUST? LOVING? MERCIFUL?

Traditional Calvinism believes that God chooses sinful men, grants them faith and empowers them to persevere. Free Will says I can be saved for a while and heaven bound, then 'jump' through God's fingers and end up in Hell. Which theology really paints God as a monster?
What if God doesn't choose me?
 
What if God doesn't choose me?
Then you wouldn't give a rat's behind about Him ...

Romans 3:9-18
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”


... this is us without God's call. All are born under the power of sin. That's the point, we are incapable of choosing God.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

What unbeliever can make a free choice to believe a Gospel that their mind is blind to?

To answer this question, even YOU must believe that God has chosen you. You simply believe that God has chosen everyone. So let me ask you, your own question ... In light of Romans 3:9-18 and 2 Corinthians 4:4, what happens to someone if God does not choose them?
 
Which question?
I'm confused.
"If God does NOT give me the choice to believe, HOW could He possibly hold me responsible for my sins? If HE causes me to be lost because I'm not one of the "chosen" ones, then how could I possibly deserve hell from a JUST God??"
 
"If God does NOT give me the choice to believe, HOW could He possibly hold me responsible for my sins? If HE causes me to be lost because I'm not one of the "chosen" ones, then how could I possibly deserve hell from a JUST God??"
These are not rhetorical questions.
 
Then you wouldn't give a rat's behind about Him ...

Romans 3:9-18
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”


... this is us without God's call. All are born under the power of sin. That's the point, we are incapable of choosing God.

2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

What unbeliever can make a free choice to believe a Gospel that their mind is blind to?

To answer this question, even YOU must believe that God has chosen you. You simply believe that God has chosen everyone. So let me ask you, your own question ... In light of Romans 3:9-18 and 2 Corinthians 4:4, what happens to someone if God does not choose them?
I'm on a phone and this will have to wait.
Quick,
Romans
We are born sinners and lost.

Corinthians
WHAT has blinded us?

How could a good God not give Everyone the opportunity to be saved?

I believe God loves me
But I must love Him back.

Does God not love All His creation?
US.
Why would He purposefully send some to hell?

Not rhetorical...
 
These are not rhetorical questions.
OK. Simpler answers then:

Q. If God does NOT give me the choice to believe, HOW could He possibly hold me responsible for my sins?
A. Because YOU committed the sins.

Q. If HE causes me to be lost because I'm not one of the "chosen" ones, then how could I possibly deserve hell from a JUST God??"
A. God does not CAUSE people to be lost in the same way that God does not CAUSE people to sin. In both cases, God allows it to happen. You deserve Hell because of Ezekiel 18:20 ... that is justice. God OWES no one mercy (that is what makes it Grace).
 
OK. Simpler answers then:

Q. If God does NOT give me the choice to believe, HOW could He possibly hold me responsible for my sins?
A. Because YOU committed the sins.

Q. If HE causes me to be lost because I'm not one of the "chosen" ones, then how could I possibly deserve hell from a JUST God??"
A. God does not CAUSE people to be lost in the same way that God does not CAUSE people to sin. In both cases, God allows it to happen. You deserve Hell because of Ezekiel 18:20 ... that is justice. God OWES no one mercy (that is what makes it Grace).
There's a problem here going back to Adam and Eve.
Later...
 
It is actually amazing, but you are refuting a claim that I am not even making.

I was just making a comment about your reference to stealing a car, but using scripture.

I really wasn't trying refute anything.

Just discussing from my perspective.


JLB
 
Free Will says I can be saved for a while and heaven bound, then 'jump' through God's fingers and end up in Hell. Which theology really paints God as a monster?

Having a choice to believe or not to believe is the freedom to choose.

This freedom is not somehow removed when we repent and turn to God, by hearing the Gospel.

How can having freedom, somehow paint God as a monster?

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1



JLB
 
Ok. This may be (*is) rather long. I figured what I would do is show you all how I study from a 3rd person point of view. So I'll kind of just go through this description of 'election' as I normally would if I was doing a study for myself. That takes time. I don't rush through studying. That way you can see from my perspective how I arrive at the point I do. You'll see that I bounce back and forth a lot. I take as much as I can into question. I don't automatically rule something out because it doesn't line up with my preconceived ideas.

I see there are two words used for "elect" and "election".

G1588 - eklektos - Picked out, chosen - translated; elect and chosen(seems obvious)
G1589 - eklogē - The act of picking out, choosing - translated; elected and chosen

One seems to be a term referred to people, and the other to the process of election.

I always first look to the first instance, of the word I am studying, where it is used. Obviously, some books of the Bible were written before others, so I don't look to the date of the first instance, but I do look just how it falls in order. What I believe is most important is to see where it is first used in a specific book. Some translations use it first in Matthew 20:16, but the ESV uses it(G1588) first in Matthew 22:14. It comes at the end of the parable of the Wedding feast.

Matthew 22:1-14
And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son, and sent his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come. Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business, while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them. The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, but those invited were not worthy. Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests.

“But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment. And he said to him, 'Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ For many are called, but few are chosen.(elect - G1588)

Right off the bat I see that this is a clear example of God's plan of salvation. The servants are Jew's - those 'naturally' inclined to be "servants" of God. Vessels made for honor. The others, "good and bad" are Jews and Gentiles(respectfully). Then I see a man there. It doesn't say if he was one of the original, good, or bad ones. So obviously that aspect does not matter. What matters is we see he heard there was a feast and he wanted to go - but he ended up in there without a garment. When asked about that, he wasn't asked how he got there, just how he got in without a garment. He was speechless - the word used actually means he was "muzzled" - made silent. Interesting.

Then we see that "many are called(klētos - Invited) but few are chosen(eklektos - picked out)". So automatically, I see that he had received the invitation and responded to it, but somehow he was not chosen. But the story tells me why he was not chosen. He did not have a garment. So why did he not have a garment? Obviously, he had to be given a garment. Why did was he not given a garment?

Here I see that 'election' is a choice of God(the King in the story). So I see that a person cannot have an invitation unless it is given. And they can hear the invitation, and come to the place they are invited to, but not receive the necessary requirements for getting 'in'. My mind goes back to the call of the servants, lining that up with the call of God for us to 'believe'. We see from the story that the King was angry when the original guests did not show up. Then we see He sends out His servants to 'command' them to "come".

Then it clicks. If this garment, robe of righteousness, was given by just doing a command, then all that do the command get a robe. Ok, so does that mean we have to earn this robe? No, because it is impossible. It is impossible to receive righteousness from obeying the law, any of it. Even one of the 10 Commandments. So just as someone cannot receive righteousness from obeying the 10 commandments, someone is not going to receive it by obeying the command to believe.

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Hold up Nathan! Are you trying to tell yourself that belief is not all you need? Hmmmmmm, me thinks to myself. Yes, that is true, "even the demons believe and shudder". Ok, then why is it you need? Faith. Yes, that's it. You need faith. Ok, so how do you get faith? Is it not something you 'just' believe? Ah, no, its something that has to be given.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this
(faith) is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

So the garments, faith, have to be given. You can't do anything to earn it. You can't say, "I believed, so therefore I have faith". That would be 'earning' it by doing something. So 'election' has to be strictly from God. He has to give faith to you. Why did He not give the man in the story faith? Great question. Which would often lead to, "because He just did not want to". But, in the story, I see the King ask how he got in without a robe. Interesting.

Ding, ding, ding. The man thought he could just come in without a robe, obviously. The man may have thought that all he had to do was show up. He had to have seen that everyone else was wearing a robe. Did he just walk by the person who was handing them out? Did the person handing out robes purposefully not hand one to him.....or did he decline it?

So that instantly brings up the question, does God choose to not give faith to some who are called(many are called, few are chosen) - or, do the people God calls choose not to accept faith? It has to be one or the other. At least that narrows it down. :)

When I look back at the story though, I do not see any indication that the King wouldn't give a robe to the people He invited. Now I am going to have to find some other mention of this in order to understand just why some have robes, and some do not, even if all are called.

G1588 is used to describe people as elect, G1589 is used to describe the election of people. So I have to reference G1589.

In the KJV it is first used in Acts 9 in reference to God's calling of Paul. Makes sense. But I am looking for why God elects. That I find in Romans.

Romans 9:1-11
I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”


There it is. God elects and, the 'purpose' of it, is so its not by works, but because of him who calls - namely God. So the whole reason why God 'elects', and why we are called 'the elect', is so its not works done by us, but because God calls us to it. Ok, circles in my brain. So, does God actually call all men or not? If He does call all men, does He choose just some to give faith to? If so, why? Why call, and then only give faith to some, while leaving others without it and them ending up in hell? Is it just "because" He is God? Great question. Paul thinks so too.

Romans 9:19-20
You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”


So do I go after, seek God for this? I know that I can't earn the robe. I know God has to give it. Better question comes to mind, how do I know if God is wanting me to have this or not? Is there a way to know if God is calling me to be one of the elect? Is there a way to know that He won't call me to be one of the elect?

Romans 9:30-32
What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone,


Ahhhhhhh, that answers one of my questions. It all boils down to what you are pursuing. Am I pursuing righteousness, or faith. (Light bulb goes off in my head) - the man at the feast, he must have saw the robes. Why didn't he ask for one? Did he think they were not important, or that he did not need one? Why am I so quick to blame the King for not giving Him one?

Interesting. The King was rejected by ones He had invited to the feast long before it was time, but they rejected the offer. So the King wants guests there, so He sends out the call to all who would want to come. "Invite as many as will come". So obviously, the King wants people there, He just wants them to be dressed the way He wants them to be dressed! He only rejected someone because He was not dressed the way the King wanted. So obviously, it was the man's choice for not wearing a robe. The man obviously thought what he had on was "ok". He did not 'pursue' getting a robe.

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Wait a minute! I remember reading something very similar. Jesus speaking to people who are not wanting what He gives them, they feel that what they have is "ok".

Revelation 3:14-22
And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.

“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see. Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”


These people obviously think that what they have is sufficient, not realizing they are naked without the garments Christ wants to give them.

In the story we are told that the original invites "would not come". Would the man without a robe 'not' receive a robe?

Ok. Here is what I know so far. God has to call(invite - *imperative command) me. I can't just say, "hey, I think I am going to go to that feast". When I show up, believing that there is a feast, I can't just walk on in. I have to put on a robe that He gives me. I also know, that He owns the robe, so I cannot steal it, or take it from Him. I have to receive it. But its a must that I put it on after receiving it.


What a picture of faith! But wait, isn't there one question your not answering yet? Does God call everyone? Does God choose everyone He calls? "Many are called, few are chosen". Obviously we see that God does call many, as many as would hear Him. But what about that choosing? Is it a choosing just because, or is it a choosing for a reason He gives us?

I believe it is quite clear why 'some' are chosen. The ones He 'chooses' are the ones who will receive His gift, who will receive His grace, who will receive His righteousness, who will receive His faith, who will receive all that He offers - without basing it on anything they have done(even belief).

Matthew 7:8 - For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

John 1:11-13- He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 12:44-50
And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me. And whoever sees me sees him who sent me. I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that have spoken will judge him on the last day. For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.

John 17:8 - For I have given them the words that you gave me, and they have received them and have come to know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.

Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.” And with many other words he bore witness and continued to exhort them, saying, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation.” So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls.


Big question now; What is the difference between believing and receiving? I thought it was just "believe" or "who ever believes in Him". Whats this receiving all about? Great question Nathan. :)

Believing is what I do, it is the only "work of God" that leads to salvation. Ahhhhh, it leads to salvation. Gotcha. Believing in and of itself is not salvation. I have to receive God's gift. Is that not the same thing? Nope. Its not actually. Interesting.

"Receive" - lambanō - to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it

Bingo! Belief just says, yea I believe that. I understand that. I think its true.

To receive something means, "I believe it and I am going to use it."

So no wonder so many are called but few are chosen. Those who are chosen are the ones who receive the faith given - in order to use it. The ones called, may or may not believe, but they have no desire to use the faith that God offers. The elect, are the ones called and who receive faith, not just believe. You ever wonder why Peter said to confirm your "calling and election"?

2 Peter 1:1-11
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these qualities is so nearsighted that he is blind, having forgotten that he was cleansed from his former sins. Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.


Use it or loose it. Yup. Faith is not a belief, its also not something you can believe in. You cannot produce faith by believing. Its a gift, and you cannot accept that gift without the desire to use it. That is what election is all about. Its about accepting God's gift of faith, by belief that His Son paid for your sins, and then walking in the newness of life. God's call, God's choice, God's provision - your accepting of this - to all who will accept this - to all who will use it.

Peter was telling the believers to make sure it was God's call, and God's choice they had believed - not just because they wanted it. How would they know that it was God's call and choice? They could see that what God gave them was being used in their life - acceptance. If there was no use of the faith, then there is no real acceptance of it. Is this righteousness by works? No silly, if its God's faith that works in us, leading us, then how can it be our own works? :)

Oh boy. That leads into a whole other discussion......
 
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