Pregnant woman fired for not marrying fiance

[jasonc]

If a church vetted the employees of their roofing company for their "righteousness", there would be years of very WET services.

true, they are known to be druggies and drunks.

 

[jasonc]

Mike S. I understand what you are saying and Kathi but lets be real. we take the sinners tithes. but they cant work for cleaning and such like and building or renting? you money is good for me, but you cant be good for my hiring? that makes sense.

 

[Willie T]

Shouldn't the preacher and/or board be fired for not doing their assigned and accepted duty in "protecting" the flock from this "horrible", sinner of a woman when they hired her? I'm fairly sure her current status and background wouldn't be too difficult to ascertain.

Something begins to sound a little hypocritical here.

 

[Willie T]

I think perhaps some busy body gossiped, and the preacher got scared for his job.

 

[jasonc]

I think perhaps some busy body gossiped, and the preacher got scared for his job.

sadly, that could happen. plenty of that in our churches.

 

[jasonc]

Lord, I would ask that you save this women if she isn't, I ask that you be the dad to the child if the father wont.Heal the hurt in the church. amen

 

[tim-from-pa]

Folks, don't make this more complicated than it is. They just don't want an unmarried oven-baking woman working in the church. Taints the image.

 

[Obadiah]

The biggest problem here is that the article in the link gives absolutely zero information that we can use to come to any reasonable conclusion as to whether what the church did was Biblical or not. Did someone approach her in private about a sin first? Did she refuse to accept what they said or did she repent at that time? If refused, did that person go back to her with one or two witnesses? Did she still refuse to accept what they said? If so, then did they take the whole matter to the entire congregation to discuss and plead with her to repent? And did she still refuse to repent? (Matthew 18:15-17) We are told nothing of any of this so it's impossible to know what really happened and if her firing was correct or not.

 

[jasonc]

The biggest problem here is that the article in the link gives absolutely zero information that we can use to come to any reasonable conclusion as to whether what the church did was Biblical or not. Did someone approach her in private about a sin first? Did she refuse to accept what they say or did she repent at that time. If refused, did that person go back to her with one or two witnesses? Did she still refuse to accept what they said? If so, then did they take the whole matter to the entire congregation to discuss and plead with her to repent? And did she still refuse to repent? (Matthew 18:15-17) We are told nothing of any of this so it's impossible to know what really happened and if it was correct or not.

im listening to the video, alleged employee handbook that said she must be pure. its a he said she said thing. I cant see either way.

 

[Obadiah]

im listening to the video, alleged employee handbook that said she must be pure. its a he said she said thing. I cant see either way.

I never found a video! Might have something to do with my settings. I've had that problem before.

 

[Obadiah]

So the handbook says she must be "pure"? First of all, good luck with finding employees in today's world that fit that description if it means what it sounds like it means. Secondly, good luck in defending that in court when she sues them for wrongful termination unless the handbook includes a very thorough definition of what "pure" means!

 

[jasonc]

So the handbook says she must be "pure"? First of all, good luck with finding employees in today's world that fit that description if it means what it sounds like it means. Secondly, good luck in defending that in court when she sues them for wrongful termination unless the handbook includes a very thorough definition of what "pure" means!

I used that term. the pastor doesn't say what is in the handbook that is a reason for termination. if that is all he has then she can sue and get her job back. there is no way one can just make that the rule without first telling the employee. she denies and he said yes. I do think that based on her statements she is in sin, I cant see much more. she might not be. she also is a single mother and her fiancée a single dad. they didn't have a problem with that. hmm ok, so she gets pregnant, and was living with him for a time. so it appears and then when she is pregnant she is fired? I wish I knew more.

 

[reba]

there was a case like this a few years back..
wonder if that church has any divorced employees?
wonder if that church has an employ that has lied
how about a married one with an affair
any employees cheat on their taxes
The one i really wonder about is any guys employed that have a friend they are sleeping with?
No place in scripture do we read being pregnant is a sin....

 

[Obadiah]

I used that term. the pastor doesn't say what is in the handbook that is a reason for termination. if that is all he has then she can sue and get her job back. there is no way one can just make that the rule without first telling the employee. she denies and he said yes. I do think that based on her statements she is in sin, I cant see much more. she might not be. she also is a single mother and her fiancée a single dad. they didn't have a problem with that. hmm ok, so she gets pregnant, and was living with him for a time. so it appears and then when she is pregnant she is fired? I wish I knew more.

I just got the video to work (Yea, a settings issue...) I see what you mean.

 

[Mike S]

Mike S. I understand what you are saying and Kathi but lets be real. we take the sinners tithes. but they cant work for cleaning and such like and building or renting? you money is good for me, but you cant be good for my hiring? that makes sense.

Sinners are welcome in our church - we're all sinners - but, we do have social principles that must be followed by clergy and employees. And, it's appropriate, I think, to require a higher level of moral behavior of people in leadership capacities than thee rest of the congregation. After all, when we come into the church as seekers or new members, it's understood that our sinning nature has kept us from being righteous before God. We're expected to change with acceptance of Christ. Are we, as the church, to say for leaders or folk who seek to be in highly visible positions "Oh what the heck, who cares. All that stuff doesn't matter anyway?"

People sharing worship with us and seeking God are all sinners on various levels, but something has to change before becoming a leader or asking to be put in a highly visible position. Otherwise, the church is nothing more than a feel-good social group with a cross on the wall..."Whatever!" I'm pretty sure that many churches are already "whatever" congregations. I expect something a little more serious.

 

[Obadiah]

there was a case like this a few years back..
wonder if that church has any divorced employees?
wonder if that church has an employ that has lied
how about a married one with an affair
any employees cheat on their taxes
The one i really wonder about is any guys employed that have a friend they are sleeping with?
No place in scripture do we read being pregnant is a sin....

Exactly. It sounds like the picture of hypocrisy, doesn't it?

 

[jasonc]

so how do they know you are in sin if you don't tell them? I wonder if they have it mandated that the must be told of whom you live with? I mean if we are going to have fornication as a reason then it must also be that way too. I understand the holiness deal but I know church folk. gossips at times and other times we do overlook those people we shouldn't.

 

[Obadiah]

Sinners are welcome in our church - we're all sinners - but, we do have social principles that must be followed by clergy and employees. as It's appropriate, I think, to require a higher level moral behavior for people in leadership capacities than. After all, when we come into the church as seekers or new members, it's understood that our sinning nature has kept us from being righteous before God. We're expected to change with acceptance of Christ. Are we, as the church, to say for leaders or folk who seek to be in highly visible positions "Oh what the heck, who cares. All that stuff doesn't matter anyway?"

People sharing worship with us and seeking God are all sinners on various levels, but something has to change before becoming a leader or asking to be put in a highly visible position. Otherwise, the church is nothing more than a feel-good social group with a cross on the wall..."Whatever!" I'm pretty sure that many churches are already "whatever" congregations. I expect something a little more serious.

She worked in the nursery. I have a feeling that was about as visible as my position as a sound technician. One Sunday one of the regularly attending ladies suddenly said to me (Hi! It's so nice to see you've come back to church here after being gone for so long!) I had to point out to her that I hadn't missed a Sunday in over 2 years since taking over the sound tech job. Not exactly highly visible (at least not until I make a mistake. Then they nail me to the big cross behind the lectern for it.)

 

[jasonc]

Sinners are welcome in our church - we're all sinners - but, we do have social principles that must be followed by clergy and employees. And, it's appropriate, I think, to require a higher level of moral behavior of people in leadership capacities than thee rest of the congregation. After all, when we come into the church as seekers or new members, it's understood that our sinning nature has kept us from being righteous before God. We're expected to change with acceptance of Christ. Are we, as the church, to say for leaders or folk who seek to be in highly visible positions "Oh what the heck, who cares. All that stuff doesn't matter anyway?"

People sharing worship with us and seeking God are all sinners on various levels, but something has to change before becoming a leader or asking to be put in a highly visible position. Otherwise, the church is nothing more than a feel-good social group with a cross on the wall..."Whatever!" I'm pretty sure that many churches are already "whatever" congregations. I expect something a little more serious.

I was at the beachside church of Christ by the sea. its a umc church. it has like the original church that birthed that one a nursery. I wonder do you all hold them to that standard? most of those are ministries too. I understand the holiness thing but its really done in a political way at times. It shouldn't be. but it is. I have been around that to have seen it.

 

[Mike S]

Folks, don't make this more complicated than it is. They just don't want an unmarried oven-baking woman working in the church. Taints the image.

I wouldn't want to force our social principles on employees at that level either, but that church has a right to enforce

Folks, don't make this more complicated than it is. They just don't want an unmarried oven-baking woman working in the church. Taints the image.

I wouldn't expect to require adherence of social principles on employees at that level either. But, that church has a right to set behavior standards. Did the woman know the church's expectations when she was hired? If so, she should stop complaining and find another job.