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I know there are several people on here who believe this interpretation.I do not know alot about it.Could you please describe to me what it is?Without any judgment but just to educate me more.
 
Kathi, That's interesting because I don't know anyone on this forum who is a preterist.

As was recently stated in another thread, a preterist believes that Jesus already came for the last time, that The Great White Throne Judgement, the resurrection of the saints, everything has already happened.
They believe that this is it and that this earth through the preaching of the Gospel will gradually change into a place where all men will serve God. Some have the view that Christians through governing will be instrumental in this process.
 
When do they think this has happened?I just remember members saying they were partial preterist of preterist.
 
When do they think this has happened?I just remember members saying they were partial preterist of preterist.

First the word preterism comes from the Latin word praeter, which denotes something as 'past' rather than future.

I don't know when preterists believe that all these things happened but I think they all believe that the Second Advent happened in AD70.

If we are to say that people who are called partial preterists are heretical than we will need to include many of the church fathers of the protestant reformation. Both Armenians and Calvinists. Here are examples of one of each.
Matthew 24:30 Short quote from Adam Clarke
"Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man - The plain meaning of this is, that the destruction of Jerusalem will be such a remarkable instance of Divine vengeance, such a signal manifestation of Christ's power and glory, that all the Jewish tribes shall mourn, and many will, in consequence of this manifestation of God, be led to acknowledge Christ and his religion. By της γης, of the land, in the text, is evidently meant here, as in several other places, the land of Judea and its tribes, either its then inhabitants, or the Jewish people wherever found."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/clarke/matthew/24.htm

This is a short quote from Matthew Henry but you should read all of it to get his full understanding of it.

"2. He here instructs us as to the time of them, v. 34, 36. As to this, it is well observed by the learned Grotius, that there is a manifest distinction made between the tauta (v. 34), and the ekeineµ (v. 36), these things, and that day and hour; which will help to clear this prophecy.

(1.) As to these things, the wars, seductions, and persecutions, here foretold, and especially the ruin of the Jewish nation; "This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be fulfilled (v. 34); there are those now alive, that shall see Jerusalem destroyed, and the Jewish church brought to an end." Because it might seem strange, he backs it with a solemn asseveration; "Verily, I say unto you. You may take my word for it, these things are at the door." Christ often speaks of the nearness of that desolation, the more to affect people, and quicken them to prepare for it. Note, There may be greater trials and troubles yet before us, in our own day, than we are aware of. They that are old, know not what sons of Anak may be reserved for their last encounters.

(2.) But as to that day and hour which will put a period to time, that knoweth no man, v. 36. Therefore take heed of confounding these two, as they did, who, from the words of Christ and the apostles; letters, inferred that the day of Christ was at hand, 2 Th. 2:2. No, it was not; this generation, and many another, shall pass, before that day and hour come. Note, [1.] There is a certain day and hour fixed for the judgment to come; it is called the day of the Lord, because so unalterably fixed. None of God’s judgments are adjourned sine die—without the appointment of a certain day. [2.] That day and hour are a great secret.
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhcw/matthew/24.htm

Matthew Henry splits the scriptures to say that all this is talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70 until verse 36. Then he believes it to be talking about the Second Advent. And he stresses that we all must be careful but not worry either.
Adam Clarke does not do this splitting of this chapter he believes it is all talking about AD70, but he does not believe that it is anywhere talking about the Second Advent at all.
Neither of these men were full preterists even though they believed that some of the prophecies have already been fulfilled.

There is a huge difference between a full preterist (all prophecy was fulfilled in the past) and a partial preterist (some prophecy was fulfilled in the past).
 
Kathi, That's interesting because I don't know anyone on this forum who is a preterist.

As was recently stated in another thread, a preterist believes that Jesus already came for the last time, that The Great White Throne Judgement, the resurrection of the saints, everything has already happened.
They believe that this is it and that this earth through the preaching of the Gospel will gradually change into a place where all men will serve God. Some have the view that Christians through governing will be instrumental in this process.
I am one, reba, synthesis, drew. what you are saying is call full preterism. none of that people I have mentioned believe that. post mil is that last line,
 
When do they think this has happened?I just remember members saying they were partial preterist of preterist.


Kathi,

as you are discussing and studying preterism, please consider what Jesus stated about the armies surrounding Jerusalem that is associated with His return is not neccesarily the events of 70 AD, but rather what Zechariah prophesied about.

1 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You. 6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light; The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to the Lord-- Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light. Zechariah 14:1-7


Compare these words with what Jesus taught us in Matthew 24, and Luke 21.



The army that surrounds Jerusalem is associated with the time Jesus will return, not 70 AD.


Thanks, JLB
 
Kathi,

as you are discussing and studying preterism, please consider what Jesus stated about the armies surrounding Jerusalem that is associated with His return is not neccesarily the events of 70 AD, but rather what Zechariah prophesied about.

1 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. 5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You. 6 It shall come to pass in that day That there will be no light; The lights will diminish. 7 It shall be one day Which is known to the Lord-- Neither day nor night. But at evening time it shall happen That it will be light. Zechariah 14:1-7


Compare these words with what Jesus taught us in Matthew 24, and Luke 21.



The army that surrounds Jerusalem is associated with the time Jesus will return, not 70 AD.


Thanks, JLB

JLB. Kathi simply asked what full preterism is and partial preterism. Not the specific whys. I tried to be very careful not to infuse my own beliefs.
I believe she was asking because full preterism is considered heresy but partial preterism is not.
So my answer was to show her the difference, plain and simple. And that many church fathers believed what is called partial preterism today and we do not say they were heretics.
 
JLB. Kathi simply asked what full preterism is and partial preterism. Not the specific whys. I tried to be very careful not to infuse my own beliefs.
I believe she was asking because full preterism is considered heresy but partial preterism is not.
So my answer was to show her the difference, plain and simple. And that many church fathers believed what is called partial preterism today and we do not say they were heretics.
America was founded by a bunch of partial preterists. the Lutherans and the puritans and the Anglicans all were preterists some form or another.
 
JLB. Kathi simply asked what full preterism is and partial preterism. Not the specific whys. I tried to be very careful not to infuse my own beliefs.
I believe she was asking because full preterism is considered heresy but partial preterism is not.
So my answer was to show her the difference, plain and simple. And that many church fathers believed what is called partial preterism today and we do not say they were heretics.

Like most Preterist's will tell you, there is no such thing as a partial Preterist.

A Preterist believes everything is past.

Everyone else believes there is yet to be fulfilled certain scriptures.


JLB
 
Like most Preterist's will tell you, there is no such thing as a partial Preterist.

A Preterist believes everything is past.

Everyone else believes there is yet to be fulfilled certain scriptures.


JLB
Isn't that a futurist like myself?
 
Like most Preterist's will tell you, there is no such thing as a partial Preterist.

A Preterist believes everything is past.

Everyone else believes there is yet to be fulfilled certain scriptures.


JLB

With that definintion.....

Then as far as I know at this time there are not any partial preterist members either.
 
Isn't that a futurist like myself?

To be honest with you, I don't really recognize these labels; futurist or Preterist.

To me you are as Jesus, a child of God.

That is the only "label" I see you as.


JLB
 
What is the difference in Preterist and Amillennial?
an amillenialist is one who like me doesn't believe in the literal reign of a thousand years and general sees satan bound by the power of god via the church and other means of restraint. they also don't see the temple in Jerusalem being a jewish temple. in short. preterists usually are amil. though reba is post mil
 
an amillenialist is one who like me doesn't believe in the literal reign of a thousand years and general sees satan bound by the power of god via the church and other means of restraint. they also don't see the temple in Jerusalem being a jewish temple. in short. preterists usually are amil. though reba is post mil

Jason it is my understanding that full preterists believe the millennium has already past, Christ has returned, the judgement has happened, and this is the new earth, which is in the process of being restored.
 
Jason it is my understanding that full preterists believe the millennium has already past, Christ has returned, the judgement has happened, and this is the new earth, which is in the process of being restored.
full preterists tend to, but I was stating what a partial one believes.
 
full preterists tend to, but I was stating what a partial one believes.

We need to be careful to explain whether we are stating full preterist or partial preterist views, it's confusing enough even for me and I pretty much know what you believe. :)
 
futurists tend to label us all preterists and assume that we see that all is past. while I do blanket statement futurists, as most here and elsewhere are of the pre trib, pre mil type.
 
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