Princeton Christian Fellowship ditches the label 'evangelical'

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    Title: Princeton Christian Fellowship ditches the label 'evangelical'
    Source: Daily Princeton
    URL Source: http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/ar ... -ditches-the-label-evangelical
    Published: Oct 11, 2017
    Author: Rebecca Ngu


    Princeton Christian Fellowship ditches the label 'evangelical'

    'Evangelical' has officially become a bad word. After years of deliberation, the Christian student group formerly known as the Princeton Evangelical Fellowship dropped the name it had held since it began in 1937, changing its name to Princeton Christian Fellowship earlier this school year.

    The organization's trustees and directors voted to formally change the name in May 2017 and the decision was announced this August. William “Bill” Boyce ’79, executive secretary and associate chaplain of PCF, said that the term 'evangelical' has become an “unnecessary hindrance” to their work.

    “There’s a growing recognition that the term evangelical is increasingly either confusing, or unknown, or misunderstood to students,” he said.

    The word 'evangelical' has a long history in the United States that typically implies a core set of doctrinal beliefs. Such tenets include belief in the authority and inspiration of the Bible, centrality of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and the free offer of salvation through faith, according to Boyce.

    “I’m old enough to think [evangelical] is a good word, but it’s reached a point where there’s so much baggage attached around it so that it’s no longer a helpful word to identify ourselves,” said Boyce.

    Jay Sourbeer ’18, president of PCF, echoed Boyce, adding that the term 'evangelical' is “thrown around too much.” Some people don’t know what 'evangelical' means, or others may hold the aforementioned beliefs, but not identify as evangelical. Others associate it negatively with certain political positions. The definition of evangelicalism has morphed and taken on “too much cultural baggage,” Boyce said, including the assumption of a political agenda.

    “There might be certain assumptions that all evangelicals are Republicans, for example,” Boyce said. “We’re interested in being people who are defined by our faith and by our faith commitments and not by any sort of political agenda.” While Boyce firmly clarified that the discussion to remove evangelical from their group’s name predated Trump’s election, the politicization of the term 'evangelical' reached a fever pitch with Trump’s election. A quick Google search reveals, fairly or unfairly, how strongly the word evangelical has become associated with Trump supporters. The term has taken on a deeply uncomfortable and misleading connotation for the University's own evangelical Christians.

    More whimpy Christian drivel at the link: http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/ar...tian-fellowship-ditches-the-label-evangelical
     
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    Maybe they wanted to be open to all Christians, not just a relatively small portion of the world's faithful.
     
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    Article makes it clear this is not the case.
     
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    WHAT!!!!!!! You expected him to read the article?????????:thud:thud:thud
     
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    Maybe you should have read it. From the link:

    Some people don’t know what 'evangelical' means, or others may hold the aforementioned beliefs, but not identify as evangelical. Others associate it negatively with certain political positions. The definition of evangelicalism has morphed and taken on “too much cultural baggage,” Boyce said, including the assumption of a political agenda.

    “There might be certain assumptions that all evangelicals are Republicans, for example,” Boyce said. “We’re interested in being people who are defined by our faith and by our faith commitments and not by any sort of political agenda.” (my emphasis)

    Surprised? You wouldn't be, if you had actually read the link.
     
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    lol what a joke they are now ,by following popular thinking are being now defined by the political agenda .
     
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    The word really does get thrown around so that most couldn't tell you the actual meaning anymore. It's a theological view with an emphasis on/ belief in evangelizing and spreading the Gospel, but nonbelivers and many Christians themselves don't even know that anymore. People associate it with something else entirely, much like the word "fundamentalist".
    Though for myself I don't think it's to the point where I'd actually drop it. I don't use the word much in my daily life or even think of myself aa evangelical, but by definition I probably am.
     
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    [QUOTE="Barbarian, post: 1377091, member: 917"]“There might be certain assumptions that all evangelicals are Republicans, for example,”(my emphasis) Boyce said. “We’re interested in being people who are defined by our faith and by our faith commitments and not by any sort of political agenda.”[/QUOTE]
    Yep, he is certainly making assumptions....and barb, you swallowed those assumptions hook, line and sinker simply because it fits your narrative.
    You working on reviving your failed comedian career? Just a hint, you got a long way to go......:dancing:dancing:dancing
     
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    As an example, when I mentioned that i got indirectly mentioned on a doxxing blog that accused me of being an evangelical, my friends' response was something along the lines of "aren't evangelicals those people who believe America needs to stand with Israel and who watch Kirk Cameron saves Christmas?"
    It has an actual definition and that isn't it. But people don't know that unless they themselves grew up with it or are familiar with evangelicalism. (Or, some are but leave as they grow up because churches can really do a bad job of preparing their youth for the challenges to their faith that will come at them as they learn to think for themselves. And circles who call themselves evangelical may not clearly define it the way it's supposed to be defined, creating more confusion. Anyways.)


    Similar to how if you say the word "fundamentalist", most people aren't going to think about stuff like the five fundamentals and the doctrine of separation. They will more likely think "crazy nuts who think everything they don't like is demonic". Groups tend to be defined by what they are most known for.

    But that is true of Christianity at large too, and only a small minority would say "hey, let's abandon this 'Christian' label before everyone thinks we're weirdos, we'll just call ourselves Christ followers".
    So I get the thinking behind it, honestly, but am not sure at what point it's really something that is needed.
    Still, unless they're changing their doctrine too, I don't see how it's going to hurt them.
     
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    Probably because evangelicals went strongly for a candidate who has wiped his feet on Christian ethics. That would do it.

    But the message was pretty simple: "evangelical" has come to mean something different in popular usage, and they wanted people defined by their faith instead of a particular political agenda. Makes sense, if you want to be an organization for Christians.
     
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    No one elected you president barb.....but you do a good job of that here.....
     
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    Now, be nice. You were raised better than that, weren't you?
     
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    I was raised to tell the truth.......
     
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    Moved on from there, it seems. The point is, the organization was interested in being for all Christians and so changed the name to reflect that.

    Sounds like a good idea to me, if that's the objective.
     
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    Nah, I am like a bloodhound.....I exist for tracking down those who live by falsehood......
     
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    Barbarian Innuendos are cheap just a cheap liberal cop out when they dont have reality.. I remember back when you suggested i should use facts .. how about practicing what you preach..
     
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    Moved on from there, it seems. The point is, the organization was interested in being for all Christians and so changed the name to reflect that.

    Sounds like a good idea to me, if that's the objective.


    I cited the statement. That's what they said. What else is there?
     
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    TRUTH some manly honesty the hate you speak to the man is not any thing like the conservitive side of not liking the policies of the last POTUS.... you should be ashamed i do hope you are .
     
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    So don't they know what the Evangel is that is the core ingredient of evangelical?

    The Evangel is 'Greek euángelos (adj.) bringing good news' (source). I'm an evangelical Christian because I believe the Bible teaches that Christians must proclaim good news, the evangel, through faith in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection.

    When a Christian group drops the name, 'evangelical', it sends a dangerous message to me, a message of compromise to the world's ways and a dilution of the need for proclamation of the evangel.

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    I don't hate anyone. As you have seen, I praised Trump when he has done decent or wise things. I have criticized Clinton when she has been, for example, a hypocrite. You know this. If you let hate motivate you, it only hurts you. And it makes you misunderstand.

    Why would anyone do that? Yes, Trump has behaved in despicable ways many times. But knowing that doesn't blind me to the things that he has done right.

    Some of Obama's critics have been completely deranged by their hatred for him. Hardly any fantasy was too crazy for some of them to embrace in their hatred. Others have been rational and objective in their disagreements with him. It's not hard to figure out who. If they never, ever thought anything he did was good, it's probably a mental disorder. If they just mostly disagreed with him, and acknowledged good in things he did and in his life, then that's just disagreement. I will continue to criticize Trump when I think he's done wrong, and continue to praise him when I think he's done something right. That's how it works for me.

    I happen to think that's what an homorable person does. We'll just have to disagree on that.
     

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