Psychiatric Drugs: Cure or Quackery?

[jasoncran]

The thing is if you go on psychiatric drugs with the many side effects you usually are just swapping one problem for another. Giving people control to your brain could be a dangerous thing. I would rather recommend a Christian Psychologist to help someone. But if someone isn't a Christian then that is the main problem.

dude. please stop hating science like you do. its one thing to counter the big picture of evolution etc and other things but nowhere in the bible does it condemn or mention medicine as evil. i know far more about this then you can ever imigane or know. i live with my wife who has a psychosis.

therapy as in how to deal with stress is best to be dealt with from a biblical perspective but sometimes we need help and other when we have organic issues with our brains after all our emotions are chemical reactions to stimuli that is the way god made it. please at least read up on peer reviewed articles on brain chemistry and what they are saying that is observed. it doesnt hurt.

 

[AKJVReader]

It depends on whether the medicine is really medicine. That's where you have to use discernment and knowledge. I have heard of lots of people who were given psychiatric drugs and then killed themselves or went crazy,

You dont know that in Revelation where the word sorceries is used it is translated in the Greek to Pharmakeia where we get the word Pharmaceuticals.

There is much medicine that is bogus.

And drug companies and doctors are benefitting of sick people.

 

[jasoncran]

It depends on whether the medicine is really medicine. That's where you have to use discernment and knowledge. I have heard of lots of people who were given psychiatric drugs and then killed themselves or went crazy,

You dont know that in Revelation where the word sorceries is used it is translated in the Greek to Pharmakeia where we get the word Pharmaceuticals.

There is much medicine that is bogus.

And drug companies and doctors are benefitting of sick people.

yes i know where the word means, but that doesnt mean your position is correct at all. medicine isnt perfect, yes zoloft has side effects .

i know a man who cant smile of feel any positive emotions unless he takes a pill. he has a section of his brain that doesnt work its dead(it regulates those emotions of joy etc) when he takes it he then can smile and feel joy.

so i guess he being controlled, dude my wife is on meds and is off of them at present for her psychosis and hasnt had an episode, lewis can relate, you are taken off for a while and then go back on.

btw marijuana affects the brain falls under pharmakia. so is that sin to use for medicine as its well documented on what it does to the brain.and it use by teens has been LINKED to psychosis! ie depression and shizophrenia.

many of the meds my wife takes also help my dad with his siezures. yet he doesnt have any of mind numbess you are so concerned about

so you dont take pain meds or wouldnt be knocked out for any surgeries as those anethesitics affect brain affectivity!

 

[Christ_empowered]

I think AKJVReader has a point. People are being encouraged to seek "professional help," often in the form of pills and secular talk therapy, when they might do well to seek God. I say this as someone who takes meds--antipsychotics, actually--because of a form of Bipolar (psychotic bipolar) that overlaps a lot with schizophrenia. I need meds; lots of "mental patients" might be better off without them. I think it would be great if psychiatry would restrict itself to the severely mentally ill, people for whom drugs actually help more than they hurt and whose illnesses require some sort of chemical intervention. Unfortunately, psychiatrists seem perfectly content to treat any unhappy person who walks through their door.

 

[jasoncran]

I think AKJVReader has a point. People are being encouraged to seek "professional help," often in the form of pills and secular talk therapy, when they might do well to seek God. I say this as someone who takes meds--antipsychotics, actually--because of a form of Bipolar (psychotic bipolar) that overlaps a lot with schizophrenia. I need meds; lots of "mental patients" might be better off without them. I think it would be great if psychiatry would restrict itself to the severely mentally ill, people for whom drugs actually help more than they hurt and whose illnesses require some sort of chemical intervention. Unfortunately, psychiatrists seem perfectly content to treat any unhappy person who walks through their door.

not always the case. i'm quite familar with what you may have and also have had expericienes with the field. my brother and sister were instutionalised. sure not all patients need treatment. yes it would be nice for christians to be in the field of pyschology(dr. james dobson has a phd in psychology)

you forget much of fornesical work to solve crimes is from that same field(forensic pyschology) i went to church with a pastor who was the top forsenic psychologist in the state of south carolina at the time. if there was any murder done in that state he had to review the profiles. yet he believe in yec, and was agaisnt gay rights.

 

[AKJVReader]

I think AKJVReader has a point. People are being encouraged to seek "professional help," often in the form of pills and secular talk therapy, when they might do well to seek God. I say this as someone who takes meds--antipsychotics, actually--because of a form of Bipolar (psychotic bipolar) that overlaps a lot with schizophrenia. I need meds; lots of "mental patients" might be better off without them. I think it would be great if psychiatry would restrict itself to the severely mentally ill, people for whom drugs actually help more than they hurt and whose illnesses require some sort of chemical intervention. Unfortunately, psychiatrists seem perfectly content to treat any unhappy person who walks through their door.

I'm not saying that all psychiatrists are there just to be evil, but there are psychiatrists out there that if you give them an inch, they will take a mile. Just give them a hint that you have depression, schizophrenia or whatever and they immediately label you mentally unwell. I have also seen that the majority of mental health patients dont have a relationship with Jesus Christ and dont understand the Bible. Maybe there should be more Christians who can help those who are suspected of having a mental illness, the love of God and caring Christians should make them well.

 

[Dave3103]

Hi, my name is David McCannon and I use to advocate for the use of Psychotropic drugs. Not anymore. I took them for seven years and my depression and suicidal thoughts were chronic indeed. After reading Anatomy of an Epidemic my views changed. I have not used these drugs in the last 14 months, and I took eight months to come off these drugs. On the drugs I had to be re-hospitalized every 3 to 6 months. I have not been hospitalized, or attempted suicide in the last two years. For me coming off the drugs was the best decision.

Dave

 

[tim-from-pa]

Hi, my name is David McCannon and I use to advocate for the use of Psychotropic drugs. Not anymore. I took them for seven years and my depression and suicidal thoughts were chronic indeed. After reading Anatomy of an Epidemic my views changed. I have not used these drugs in the last 14 months, and I took eight months to come off these drugs. On the drugs I had to be re-hospitalized every 3 to 6 months. I have not been hospitalized, or attempted suicide in the last two years. For me coming off the drugs was the best decision.

Dave

I agree Dave. If one reads my posts, one can see the extreme skepticism for much of medical practice and drugs especially. I'm OK with trauma medicine --- someone has a bad injury, maybe a heart attack or similar life and death event and needs surgery. But most drug "preventions" or "treatments" on the other hand fall seriously short, and I believe many just make money off the population.

For example, for people with psychosis, did anyone tell them to take vitamin B-complex? I thought not. They'll try anything and everything else first and the problem may be nutritional and in various instances helped better than drugs which just depletes the nutrition more. And when I say B-complex, I'm not talking establishment drug-store things like Centrum or "All B with C". I'm not talking normal nutritional doses, but more in the megadose area.

 

[Mike]

Unless we have the training and/or education to make these assessments, we should never advise someone get off their medication. Fine to give personal anecdotes, but we know much to little of the members on this board to determine here what the best course of treatment is and isn't.

Dave, that's great news that you made the decision you did, but that won't be good advice for everyone. There are a lot of factors to consider. I know a few people personally who end up in the psych ward each time their mind tells them they don't need the meds anymore.

 

[JNathanK]

My sister had a seizure from taking Xanax. I despise anti-depressants. I think in the long run, many of them actually make people more depressed. its a post-modernist assumption that were just soulless, mechanical beings, with no free will whatsoever, and that a simple tune up with some chemical is what everyone needs to function better. I like to say its not all just hardware. Software (your outlook on life) can affect how you function too.

 

[lmw]

Cure or Quackery? I think both, depends on the situation. I was married to someone who had bipolar disorder. He changed medications more than I change my socks and his doctor allowed it. He would get prescribed something and then 2 weeks later my husband would find some reason for wanting something else and he was always allowed a change. Nothing was working because he changed his meds so often. He was never honest with his doctors, he was a heavy drinker, and was manipulative, but I think how his doctor LET him go through the meds like that was just not right. He would also tell the psychiatrists just what they want to hear, so he wouldn't end up in the mental ward again. After a suicide attempt I had him committed, he was on psychiatric probation where he was to have regular drug tests and visits with his doctor for 6 months, it never happened. He was able to do what he wanted, and nobody checked up on him and this was a court ordered 6 month probation period.

One drug that I noticed a significant change for the better, was Cymbalta. But even that did more harm than good because he kept drinking. He of course stopped taking that and things got bad fast. He eventually took his life, he never got the treatment he needed.

I was diagnosed with epilepsy in 1999, I suffered seizures for 11 years, I constantly prayed for healing and now I have been medication and seizure free for 5 years. A lot of the medication used for seizures also treats other disorders, such as bipolar disorder. Some of the same medications I have taken for my seizure disorder were also tried on my husband to treat his bipolar. I found that interesting.

So I believe, in the right circumstances and with the right treatment plan and a good doctor, psychiatric drugs can help a person immensely.

 

[tim-from-pa]

In all these posts, I'm the only one who mentions (God-given) nutrition over drugs (man-made) Are we Christians, or just pretending to be? I stand by what I said in my previous post. NO Psychiatrist believes that drugs ever cured their patients, or for that matter made them much better. (I already researched that on the Internet here)

Much like high blood pressure drugs, cholesterol drugs, diabetes drugs and so forth, they are basically worthless. All of which have been proven not to extend life at all, but merely suck the dollars out of people's wallets. Go ahead and support the deceivers and become poor if y'all want. But don't tell me you are all Christians if the Lord can't heal you. I don't think so.

 

[modernnihilst]

Much like high blood pressure drugs, cholesterol drugs, diabetes drugs and so forth, they are basically worthless. All of which have been proven not to extend life at all, but merely suck the dollars out of people's wallets. Go ahead and support the deceivers and become poor if y'all want. But don't tell me you are all Christians if the Lord can't heal you. I don't think so.

This confuses me are you stating that insulin(sp?) a chemical that a "healthy" body naturally makes and also a diabetes medication, does nothing for those with diabetes and that those that currently should stop taking this "drug" and wait for god to heal them or use diet to not have to take it? And in the case of diabetes medication that they should die to prove to YOU that they are Christian?

 

[tim-from-pa]

This confuses me are you stating that insulin(sp?) a chemical that a "healthy" body naturally makes and also a diabetes medication, does nothing for those with diabetes and that those that currently should stop taking this "drug" and wait for god to heal them or use diet to not have to take it? And in the case of diabetes medication that they should die to prove to YOU that they are Christian?

Look at a list of diabetes meds. These are not substances the body makes, but man-made chemical. Then again, try to see behind what I am saying. Ever notice there is a proliferation of "type 2" diabetes lately? And how bad is all that? I suspect more people are put on medication than need to be. There's some cases that warrant it, but I read somewhere something like 70% of medical treatment is "preventative" stuff while the 30% who really need it are not properly addressed (then we wonder why costs are so high). Can we all say "invented conditions", aka "numbers conditions"? Oh, but doc I feel fine, and then they proceed to tell you how sick you really are and will die without certain meds. Yeah, right and the moon is made of cheese as well. Ditch the 70% that don't need the doctors and probably here will be enough healthcare for the other 30%.

 

[jasoncran]

In all these posts, I'm the only one who mentions (God-given) nutrition over drugs (man-made) Are we Christians, or just pretending to be? I stand by what I said in my previous post. NO Psychiatrist believes that drugs ever cured their patients, or for that matter made them much better. (I already researched that on the Internet here)

Much like high blood pressure drugs, cholesterol drugs, diabetes drugs and so forth, they are basically worthless. All of which have been proven not to extend life at all, but merely suck the dollars out of people's wallets. Go ahead and support the deceivers and become poor if y'all want. But don't tell me you are all Christians if the Lord can't heal you. I don't think so.

ok, im not a big pusher of psychiatry but name one mentally disabled person who was born that way and is not healed.

name one and when you do. then you may pray or have that person pray for my sister and aunt who are mentally disabled

my aunt can function somewhat and my sister cant talk much nor work.