Psychics

[jasoncran]

No. People with certain abilities that they do not attribute to faith in Jesus Christ are not Christian. Even Satan knows God. Anyone can say it is God, but their God may not be our God.

They must be specific, or we must cast them aside as occultists.

a psychic claims that "light" is his or her guide
or an angel
i have never heard one say that Jesus did that.

oats should christians then use ouija boards?

 

[Oats]

No. People with certain abilities that they do not attribute to faith in Jesus Christ are not Christian. Even Satan knows God. Anyone can say it is God, but their God may not be our God.

They must be specific, or we must cast them aside as occultists.

I don't think you understood my point.

The person attribute every quality of themselves to God

they have a gift....is that impossible?

really i have to asked god for strength to walk when in pain,and eat when i have been sick. and the elderly will testify that they have asked god for strength in certain areas we take advantage of.

if telekenisis was meant for us why is that so few do it.


just so you know whom you are dealing with

at one time:

max range of probes outside the earths atmosphere
did you not read that i could control lights
did you not read that i could see auras and also even in pics.
did you not read that i could attack at that range
even chris in austrialia if i wanted too i could hurt
drop heart rate to zero when a sleep and hold it for a while(so i thought)
i am not knew to this

you do realise that where there psychic phenomon that theres seems to be more psychosis.

washington state has the highest rate of psychosis. that doenst mean all mentally afflicted are opressed but that theres a correllation.demonic activity does affect some that way and i want to clarify that possesion is very rare.

if you ever wanted to know where the portals were i could tell you

in short
las vegas
seattle
new york
new orleans

carribean
gulf of mexico( near the yucatan pennisula)
atlanta,ga
those are the ones i know off hand
ah portland,ore.



and i knew of this long before any of the ghost hunter etc.

If life is a gift then why is there not infinite people alive?

I can't say I fully believe you on your powers Jason....

Yeah you could have done them but you make it seem as if it was only Ki...

If that was the case the government would've been using it

If it was of the devil then it's understandable why the government doesn't


Fact: God can give gifts.

Not Fact: If its not discussed or explained it must be Evil


I said that the person attributes it to God


we are speaking hypothetically

 

[jasoncran]

I don't think you understood my point.

The person attribute every quality of themselves to God

they have a gift....is that impossible?



If life is a gift then why is there not infinite people alive?

I can't say I fully believe you on your powers Jason....

Yeah you could have done them but you make it seem as if it was only Ki...

If that was the case the government would've been using it

If it was of the devil then it's understandable why the government doesn't


Fact: God can give gifts.

Not Fact: If its not discussed or explained it must be Evil


I said that the person attributes it to God


we are speaking hypothetically

good now you getting it,
all physchic phenomon is fake or atleast some half truths.

when i said that it was to show you that is how far i was into that stuff.

the govt has already tried that and i was doing that stuff before i served, ere you were born.

telekenesis is fake.
so is a lot of that stuff

its true that one can slow the heart rate
and ki is very much part of that

what you do think the chinese called it

the real chinese acupuncture docs aslo do readings

i never dabbled in kabbalah but i found this interesting
as i would write in a mystical language and sounds have power.

that is what i was getting into next.

and yes some of those things are confirmed by others that i have met and talked too. the demons do often impress others to say that they know you via that stuff. so that you will be decieved

that is how it works

ki generates that aura and makes it way stronger. that has been tested.

and if you doubt

google this man...
katsumi nikura and physicist

rather interesting stuff i have trained under him.

i trained with his top student and ranked under him

when you post what you find then talk.

its may not be peer reviewed but it will make you think about that ki comment.

he can and has told others about thier sickness, touch something of yours and see your life.
and has done the ki thing with putting out candles(i seen that)

well look him up and you may find also fritzchie sensei as well.

 

[Alabaster]

a psychic claims that "light" is his or her guide
or an angel
i have never heard one say that Jesus did that.

They must declare Jesus Christ as their source. Satan masquerades as an angel of light, so we must have that identification.

oats should christians then use ouija boards?

I would love to answer that one: NO!

 

[Alabaster]

I don't think you understood my point.

The person attribute every quality of themselves to God

they have a gift....is that impossible?

If they do not attribute their 'gift' to their faith in Jesus Christ, the Son, then the 'gift' is only an which has its source in Satan.

 

[jasoncran]

They must declare Jesus Christ as their source. Satan masquerades as an angel of light, so we must have that identification.



I would love to answer that one: NO!

but since that oats seems to say that one can be a christian medium or so forth is it logical to conclude for him to say that one can use ouija boards to talk to GOD?

 

[Oats]

good now you getting it,
all physchic phenomon is fake or atleast some half truths.

when i said that it was to show you that is how far i was into that stuff.

the govt has already tried that and i was doing that stuff before i served, ere you were born.

telekenesis is fake.
so is a lot of that stuff

its true that one can slow the heart rate
and ki is very much part of that

what you do think the chinese called it

the real chinese acupuncture docs aslo do readings

i never dabbled in kabbalah but i found this interesting
as i would write in a mystical language and sounds have power.

that is what i was getting into next.

and yes some of those things are confirmed by others that i have met and talked too. the demons do often impress others to say that they know you via that stuff. so that you will be decieved

that is how it works

ki generates that aura and makes it way stronger. that has been tested.

and if you doubt

google this man...
katsumi nikura and physicist

rather interesting stuff i have trained under him.

i trained with his top student and ranked under him

when you post what you find then talk.

its may not be peer reviewed but it will make you think about that ki comment.

he can and has told others about thier sickness, touch something of yours and see your life.
and has done the ki thing with putting out candles(i seen that)

well look him up and you may find also fritzchie sensei as well.

No offense-
Did the devil give you those powers?

 

[Oats]

but since that oats seems to say that one can be a christian medium or so forth is it logical to conclude for him to say that one can use ouija boards to talk to GOD?

don't be a wise a** ouija boards are used to reach the spirit world

Prayer is to reach God


stop disrespecting me

 

[pjt]

that is the spirit of PROPHECY that is in the bible from God.

mediums and psychics dont often tell you are in sin, death is near and repent now do they?

unlike phsycic mary that tells you, so and so wants to marry you, and that a job is near and so on.
but never encourages you to repent

.

This is exactly right. You will see psychic advertisements and they often focus on things of the world like love life and money. I knew a woman who used to go to a psychic and the only thing the psychic would talk about was people the woman should beware of (enemies) and love life but everything was in vague terms like "a red head is after your husband and watch out for a blond who will betray you IF you are not careful" so of course if nothing happened then the psychic saved her from the blond, but if by coincidence something happened it proved the psychic right. This got the woman all worked up and only thinking of who her enemies were. Nothing good or Godly came from the sessions yet she kept going back because she believed in the psychic more than God (she talked about the psychic all the time but never talked about God.)

 

[Chris]

This is exactly right. You will see psychic advertisements and they often focus on things of the world like love life and money. I knew a woman who used to go to a psychic and the only thing the psychic would talk about was people the woman should beware of (enemies) and love life but everything was in vague terms like "a red head is after your husband and watch out for a blond who will betray you IF you are not careful" so of course if nothing happened then the psychic saved her from the blond, but if by coincidence something happened it proved the psychic right. This got the woman all worked up and only thinking of who her enemies were. Nothing good or Godly came from the sessions yet she kept going back because she believed in the psychic more than God (she talked about the psychic all the time but never talked about God.)

thats exactlt right thats why I put the story of Abagus in here supernatural means used by god glorify god. But to flat out declare a supernatural manifestation in a christian is evil etc is a bit of an easy way out without first reading gods word and the many times people with gifts like that were used/ mentioned. Just in the same way only a few display odd gifts only a few will agree with this. It is just easier to declare everything evil. it means you don't have to think about it.


I can honestly say If the lord chose to give me an unusual gift or something to use in his service I am open to it and would really like it, only if it makes a difference to helping grow other people and furthering outreach type things

Things about a gift like that:
it would be used to point others away from sin and towards god.

But I believe it can happen, I'm not going to tell god what he can and cant do, ill just accept what he gives me.
even if it confuses me sometimes

What I do know is i don't know everything about everything , I'm just a christian I do what I'm told.

 

[jasoncran]

thats exactlt right thats why I put the story of Abagus in here supernatural means used by god glorify god. But to flat out declare a supernatural manifestation in a christian is evil etc is a bit of an easy way out without first reading gods word and the many times people with gifts like that were used/ mentioned. Just in the same way only a few display odd gifts only a few will agree with this. It is just easier to declare everything evil. it means you don't have to think about it.


I can honestly say If the lord chose to give me an unusual gift or something to use in his service I am open to it and would really like it, only if it makes a difference to helping grow other people and furthering outreach type things

Things about a gift like that:
it would be used to point others away from sin and towards god.

But I believe it can happen, I'm not going to tell god what he can and cant do, ill just accept what he gives me.
even if it confuses me sometimes

What I do know is i don't know everything about everything , I'm just a christian I do what I'm told.

but the lord did that not him
that is the difference,

again let me ask you this

should we use ouija boards?

the romans had similar beliefs to what you call psychic phenomon they called the spirits of trees and so on and had a pathiestic view and also the lord is agianst clairvoyance

the gift of prophecy isnt not seeing auras. as its on or off.

have you ever worked in that? i have
i cant conjure up god when i must , he comes to me and tells me what to say.

do keep in mind that the demons mimick what the lord does.

auras are always on,never off. that isnt like what God does.

let me ask you this. why isnt that mentioned as part of the way of prophecy. its not there and if its not sometimes to be safe avoid it.

if unsure dont to be safe.

plenty of christian pentacostals work in the power of the holy spirit never seeing auras.

 

[coffeeelover]

but the lord did that not him
that is the difference,

again let me ask you this

should we use ouija boards?

the romans had similar beliefs to what you call psychic phenomon they called the spirits of trees and so on and had a pathiestic view and also the lord is agianst clairvoyance

the gift of prophecy isnt not seeing auras. as its on or off.

have you ever worked in that? i have
i cant conjure up god when i must , he comes to me and tells me what to say.

do keep in mind that the demons mimick what the lord does.

auras are always on,never off. that isnt like what God does.

let me ask you this. why isnt that mentioned as part of the way of prophecy. its not there and if its not sometimes to be safe avoid it.

if unsure dont to be safe.

plenty of christian pentacostals work in the power of the holy spirit never seeing auras.

None of those things are real. Ouija boards, telekinesis, psychics, palm readers, casting out demons, faith healing, it is all tricks. There is no evidence for any of it.

 

[pjt]

None of those things are real. Ouija boards, telekinesis, psychics, palm readers, casting out demons, faith healing, it is all tricks. There is no evidence for any of it.

How can you say faith healing and casting out demons have no evidence when there are many examples of this in the Bible? Of course, there are fake faith healers out there just out for the money and to prey on vulnerable, desparate people. It is disgusting. But I don`t think as Christians we can conclude because some people misuse God`s name and do devious works in His name, we can just throw out a big chunk of what the Bible has said. We should expose those who do false works while holding to the Word of God. God said people will come in His name as false prophets and teachers. We can expect this to happen, but it does not discount what God can do. God can heal and God can cast out demons using humans as His vessel for the work. The Bible says so so we must believe God`s Word.

 

[coffeeelover]

How can you say faith healing and casting out demons have no evidence when there are many examples of this in the Bible? Of course, there are fake faith healers out there just out for the money and to prey on vulnerable, desparate people. It is disgusting. But I don`t think as Christians we can conclude because some people misuse God`s name and do devious works in His name, we can just throw out a big chunk of what the Bible has said. We should expose those who do false works while holding to the Word of God. God said people will come in His name as false prophets and teachers. We can expect this to happen, but it does not discount what God can do. God can heal and God can cast out demons using humans as His vessel for the work. The Bible says so so we must believe God`s Word.

I have never witnessed or seen a video of a real healing or demon being caste out. I have been to quite a few.

 

[jasoncran]

None of those things are real. Ouija boards, telekinesis, psychics, palm readers, casting out demons, faith healing, it is all tricks. There is no evidence for any of it.

then why does something that doesnt exist offend you so?

if you know that God isnt real then why bother? i didnt care about him when i didnt serve him and never bothered with christians nor would argue agianst that the God that you KNOW doesnt exists with someone who does.

that i cant figure out.

bothered by a myth and offended even.

 

[coffeeelover]

then why does something that doesnt exist offend you so?

if you know that God isnt real then why bother? i didnt care about him when i didnt serve him and never bothered with christians nor would argue agianst that the God that you KNOW doesnt exists with someone who does.

that i cant figure out.

bothered by a myth and offended even.

If I know God isn't real? I never said God doesn't exist. Also, I don't find God offensive. Some of the things various people and groups attribute to God I find offensive, but not God itself.

As for claims of the supernatural. I want some video of real healing. There has to be at least one video of a healing or demon being cast out if in fact these phenomenon were real.

 

[jasoncran]

If I know God isn't real? I never said God doesn't exist. Also, I don't find God offensive. Some of the things various people and groups attribute to God I find offensive, but not God itself.

As for claims of the supernatural. I want some video of real healing. There has to be at least one video of a healing or demon being cast out if in fact these phenomenon were real.

the god of your liking that is.

you have claimed to know what jesus didnt say or didnt say. and that theres no afterlife.

i wouldnt videotape a demonic casting out as that is often right then and there.

when a person wants to be free you dont go wait one sec let me get the camera and tape you.

its then and there and or it wont happen as that demon will try to persuade them not too.

in any casting out of any demon the possesed must want to be freed and also to be saved other wise the problem will get worse.

are all benny hinns real no. but that doesnt mean that doenst happen.

 

[Alabaster]

I have never witnessed or seen a video of a real healing or demon being caste out. I have been to quite a few.

I have witnessed demons being cast out, personally. As the word of God guarantees that one of the signs that follow believers is that they cast out demons, it is kind of foolish to disregard it, isn't it?

 

[theLords]

None of those things are real. Ouija boards, telekinesis, psychics, palm readers, casting out demons, faith healing, it is all tricks. There is no evidence for any of it.

This looks like a job for.... JESUS!

Matthew 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.

 

[Chris]

but the lord did that not him
that is the difference,

again let me ask you this

should we use ouija boards?

the romans had similar beliefs to what you call psychic phenomon they called the spirits of trees and so on and had a pathiestic view and also the lord is agianst clairvoyance

the gift of prophecy isnt not seeing auras. as its on or off.

have you ever worked in that? i have
i cant conjure up god when i must , he comes to me and tells me what to say.

do keep in mind that the demons mimick what the lord does.

auras are always on,never off. that isnt like what God does.

let me ask you this. why isnt that mentioned as part of the way of prophecy. its not there and if its not sometimes to be safe avoid it.

if unsure dont to be safe.

plenty of christian pentacostals work in the power of the holy spirit never seeing auras.

whats `what i saaid got to do with those board things you guys have a one track mind i don't know nothing bout those, I am talking bout things from god like in acts.