Psychics

[Chris]

but the lord did that not him
that is the difference,

again let me ask you this

should we use ouija boards?

the romans had similar beliefs to what you call psychic phenomon they called the spirits of trees and so on and had a pathiestic view and also the lord is agianst clairvoyance

the gift of prophecy isnt not seeing auras. as its on or off.

have you ever worked in that? i have
i cant conjure up god when i must , he comes to me and tells me what to say.

do keep in mind that the demons mimick what the lord does.

auras are always on,never off. that isnt like what God does.

let me ask you this. why isnt that mentioned as part of the way of prophecy. its not there and if its not sometimes to be safe avoid it.

if unsure dont to be safe.

plenty of christian pentacostals work in the power of the holy spirit never seeing auras.

whats `what i said got to do with those board things you guys have a one track mind i don't know nothing bout those, I am talking bout things from god like in acts. auras are trivial i don't care bout those i cant help but see them its not my fault. what are they good for? nothing! so overrated. thats not what I was talking about, I was talking about the power of the holy spirit and its equipping the believer in whatever way it chooses, but my mind not limiting its power, but being open to anything.

This topic gets so repetitiously annoying every time you mention a supernatural thing the board and the demons appear in chat..its so booring.

 

[jasoncran]

whats `what i saaid got to do with those board things you guys have a one track mind i don't know nothing bout those, I am talking bout things from god like in acts.

that i did state that is from God you appeared to confuse the issue of psychic phenom with what God does.

they are waaayyyyyyyyy different.

 

[coffeeelover]

Ideomotor effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The ideomotor effect is a psychological phenomenon wherein a subject makes motions unconsciously. As in reflexive responses to pain, the body sometimes reacts reflexively to ideas alone without the person consciously deciding to take action. For instance, tears are produced by the body unconsciously in reaction to powerful emotions. Automatic writing, dowsing, facilitated communication, and Ouija boards have also been attributed to the effect of this phenomenon. Mystics have often attributed this motion to paranormal or supernatural force. Many subjects are unconvinced that their actions are originating solely from within themselves.

 

[Chris]

that i did state that is from God you appeared to confuse the issue of psychic phenom with what God does.

they are waaayyyyyyyyy different.

You might understand this better: t if the lord says to me if I am lucky enough he would bother with me "Chris I want to reveal a future thing to you I want you to tell someone about it" I would be honored and say let's do it ! you cant spend your life doing nothing petrified a demon is going to be the one talking to you.. or you never will do anything. I couldn't see myself sitting on a church pew all safe with a brown suit and singing hymns from the hymnal every week. I'm not like that, not conservative.

 

[pjt]

I have never witnessed or seen a video of a real healing or demon being caste out. I have been to quite a few.

I didn`t see Jesus die on the cross or raise from the dead, but I believe it because the Bible says it. I never saw "the flood" in Noah`s time, but I believe it because the Bible says it. There are many things I have never witnessed or seen but if the Bible says it, I believe it and the Bible clearly talks about demons being cast out and people being healed of all sorts of conditions. As Christians we don`t have to see to believe. We have faith in God and His Word. If His Word says it, then that settles it. Besides, I would not be looking at videos (that I suppose are sold) as any form of proof. I also would be relunctant to looking for proof with people who advertise they are healers and pass around an offering plate right BEFORE the healing! Maybe you are looking in the wrong places for evidence. The Bible is the most reliable source for Christians.

 

[Chris]

might retire this thread thanks guys it was a fun chat

 

[jasoncran]

You might understand this better: t if the lord says to me if I am lucky enough he would bother with me "Chris I want to reveal a future thing to you I want you to tell someone about it" I would be honored and say let's do it ! you cant spend your life doing nothing petrified a demon is going to be the one talking to you.. or you never will do anything. I couldn't see myself sitting on a church pew all safe with a brown suit and singing hymns from the hymnal every week. I'm not like that, not conservative.

but you must double check them voices as its plainly says WOE unto them that says when i have not said and have given hope when i havent given hope.

i have seen things but didnt tell the world as i wasnt sure turns out it was the lord.

 

[coffeeelover]

I didn`t see Jesus die on the cross or raise from the dead, but I believe it because the Bible says it. I never saw "the flood" in Noah`s time, but I believe it because the Bible says it. There are many things I have never witnessed or seen but if the Bible says it, I believe it and the Bible clearly talks about demons being cast out and people being healed of all sorts of conditions. As Christians we don`t have to see to believe. We have faith in God and His Word. If His Word says it, then that settles it. Besides, I would not be looking at videos (that I suppose are sold) as any form of proof. I also would be relunctant to looking for proof with people who advertise they are healers and pass around an offering plate right BEFORE the healing! Maybe you are looking in the wrong places for evidence. The Bible is the most reliable source for Christians.

I do have to see to believe. Actually some times I still don't believe after I see it, and want to see it again. If you want me to believe demon possession, or telekinesis, or faith healing is real then I want proof.

All the stories I hear of healing or possession can't be confirmed. The people had no obvious problem. They felt "oppressed" God heals headaches and lower back pain a lot, but never burn victims or Downs syndrome, or amputees.

 

[Alabaster]

I do have to see to believe. Actually some times I still don't believe after I see it, and want to see it again. If you want me to believe demon possession, or telekinesis, or faith healing is real then I want proof.

It is a living faith that believes without sight.

All the stories I hear of healing or possession can't be confirmed. The people had no obvious problem. They felt "oppressed" God heals headaches and lower back pain a lot, but never burn victims or Downs syndrome, or amputees.

I know God has healed a child in utero of Down Syndrome. As far as the amputee argument, it borders on mockery, for the amputee has been attended to medically and is healed of what would have taken one's life had an amputation not taken place. Praise God.

I know people who have been delivered of demons---and I was one of them.

 

[jasoncran]

How does one "see" something that cant be tested.GOD cant be tested.

 

[Alabaster]

How does one "see" something that cant be tested.GOD cant be tested.

We must obey Him when He tells us to test the spirits to see if they be from God. If there is Godly fruit as a result, God has done it.

 

[l'Chante]

Hey Dukes!

Clean out your inbox, my friend. I'm trying to send you a PM.

 

[jasoncran]

We must obey Him when He tells us to test the spirits to see if they be from God. If there is Godly fruit as a result, God has done it.

i know that thats in 1 john 4 but i was stating that from a scientific point tis faith that all religions work on, none can be proven false or verified by the scientif method.

 

[jasoncran]

Hey Dukes!

Clean out your inbox, my friend. I'm trying to send you a PM.

done. fire it away.

 

[l'Chante]

Thanks!

 

[coffeeelover]

How does one "see" something that cant be tested.GOD cant be tested.

Claims made by humans regarding God can be tested. If a healing took place there would be evidence. Psychic powers can be tested.

 

[jasoncran]

Claims made by humans regarding God can be tested. If a healing took place there would be evidence. Psychic powers can be tested.

so God that cant be tested cant speak for himself, really a mute God?

he did say that he would heal, are there fakers yes.

but it takes faith to believe in that

for instance my daughter was told she cant have kids, she did. the doc says that she would die in the process.

yet that doc was wrong. God has plans for her and her daughter.

yet you wouldnt give credit to God for that instead just say that its statistics.

of course if i put up the medical history and why that doc said that you make think otherwise.

odd to be sure of something that you dont know about, a god that you arent sure of.

yet claim for sure that it cant be that way at all.

 

[coffeeelover]

so God that cant be tested cant speak for himself, really a mute God?

he did say that he would heal, are there fakers yes.

but it takes faith to believe in that

for instance my daughter was told she cant have kids, she did. the doc says that she would die in the process.

yet that doc was wrong. God has plans for her and her daughter.

yet you wouldnt give credit to God for that instead just say that its statistics.

of course if i put up the medical history and why that doc said that you make think otherwise.

odd to be sure of something that you dont know about, a god that you arent sure of.

yet claim for sure that it cant be that way at all.

If a Dr. Is wrong and says you are going to die and you don't that isn't a miracle.

Supernatural claims can and should be investigated.

I have never seen any evidence for the supernatural.

 

[jasoncran]

If a Dr. Is wrong and says you are going to die and you don't that isn't a miracle.

Supernatural claims can and should be investigated.

I have never seen any evidence for the supernatural.

when you have a child and it said that even one child would kill you as the stress is so great the a surgical implant would rip in the process during the delivery and that would cause death.

she has no ability to drain fluids from the head to relieve pressure and has had for yrs till two yrs ago the original tube from 7 yrs old and she was 29 when it was removed

that fact she had that kid is a miracle as that tube when it broke she passed out in seconds and laid there for hours and needed emergency surgery to save her life!

she would have died if not for her husband finding her on the floor.

 

[coffeeelover]

when you have a child and it said that even one child would kill you as the stress is so great the a surgical implant would rip in the process during the delivery and that would cause death.

she has no ability to drain fluids from the head to relieve pressure and has had for yrs till two yrs ago the original tube from 7 yrs old and she was 29 when it was removed

that fact she had that kid is a miracle as that tube when it broke she passed out in seconds and laid there for hours and needed emergency surgery to save her life!

she would have died if not for her husband finding her on the floor.

That isn't supernatural.