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I believe that the snatching up of the 2 wittnesses during the tribulation is considered one, and another many regarded to be a pre trib
Or mid trib snatching away of believers. Others believe the rapture will occur just prior to the return of Christ with the saints to set up
His earthly Kingdom. But then there are some who think that we are living in the mellinium now and others think prophecy is already
Fulfilled or that it is all an allogory of some kind. All we have to do is look at the newspapers to see old testament prophecy such as
Ezekiel 38 becoming possible.
Or mid trib snatching away of believers. Others believe the rapture will occur just prior to the return of Christ with the saints to set up
His earthly Kingdom. But then there are some who think that we are living in the mellinium now and others think prophecy is already
Fulfilled or that it is all an allogory of some kind. All we have to do is look at the newspapers to see old testament prophecy such as
Ezekiel 38 becoming possible.
farouk
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Clearly there are two aspects of tribulation. 'In the world ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world'. This is the principle of tribulation.
And then there is the great tribulation, a unique event.
But the church will be caught up in one event (1 Thess. 4; John 14).
And then there is the great tribulation, a unique event.
But the church will be caught up in one event (1 Thess. 4; John 14).
Where in Scripture do we see tribulation as an unique event?
Matthew 24:21. Jesus make the "great tribulation" unique in that He says -
Such as has not been since the beginning of the world nor ever shall be.
It doesn't get any mor "unique" than that.
JLB
I believe the second one is where Charlie Sheen shows up as a Rambo wannabe and racks up the highest body count ever in film. Of course I could have completely misunderstood the purpose of the thread. There is always that.
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farouk
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Hi ezra, there isn't a Scripture for 2 raptures; there's only one.
Amen to that !
O
Osgiliath
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There are 2 "resurrections" - but nothing about 2 'raptures'. In fact, there isn't a Scripture for "1" rapture either. Those who are indoctrinated with this "great escape" folklore are blinded as a result of not being given eyes that see that Christ was not raptured out of anything, but instead endured to the end.
Jesus says that "as the days of Noah, thus shall it be." How was it in the days of Noah? Who was "left" and who was "taken away?"
Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
Matthew 24:39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."
Who was it that was "TAKEN AWAY?" It wasn't Noah and his family! So when we read, "As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be," it should be obvious to any thinking person that the ones taken at the end of the age are the wicked, and not the righteous.
This SAME principle is used throughout the entire Bible--the good are left and the wicked are taken away.
This principle is confirmed in the parable of the wheat and the tares:
Matthew 13:30 "Gather ye together FIRST the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barns."
The Old Testament endorses the same thought.
Proverbs 2:21-22 "For the upright shall dwell in the land and the perfect shall REMAIN in it. But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth."
Psalm 104:35 "Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more."
Proverbs 10:30. "The righteous shall NEVER BE REMOVED, but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth."
And what did Jesus pray?
John 17:15 "I pray NOT that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shoudest keep them from evil one."
The Plan of God is not about an escape out of this world, it is about the transformation of mankind from a creature of the dust into a creature of the spirit.
Jesus said,
Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."
Think about the above verse for a while.
It's amazing to me how people can be so deceived into believing 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is speaking of a secret "rapture." It's mind blowing really. Notice how the Apostle Paul describes the resurrection of the "dead in Christ" occurring before "the living" are gathered to the Lord:
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Paul says, "THEN, we who are still alive and remain" will be "caught up TOGETHER WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air." The order of events is very clearly stated in this text.
Rapture advocates believe that Paul was speaking of "those who are alive and remain," as though they were 'left behind' after some secret rapture. How ridiculous! Consider the preceding verse:
1 Thessalonians 4:15 "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them which are asleep."
This verse says that the living will not precede the dead. Second, Paul refers to those who "remain until the coming of the Lord" in the sense that they remain alive until the Lord appears. This idea is certainly quite different than being "left behind after a rapture." Yet this is how rapture advocates assault and mangle the Scriptures. It truly boggles the mind :crazy
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ezra
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thank you that was my point and reply--i went to another forum and that was posted i replied back saying there was no 2 raptures in fact i did this twice..i disagreed on another post ..simply saying was not right..i got banned till jan 10 
ed! so when jan 10 is up i will post again . never return.
ed! so when jan 10 is up i will post again . never return.
amen
n2thelight
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They are blinded for their own good............Yep the great escape is what they want,and they lose sight of what the gosple armour is all about,because if you were going to escape,you wouldn't need it.......,and during the tribulation is when one will need it most........
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Osgiliath
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That's too bad, but it is typical. The only things that should be censored in a forum, especially a Christian forum, are personal attacks and bad behavior. Censorship with regard to different viewpoints in a forum (including this one) is unfortunate. This forum used to be a much more respectable, mature venue, which is why there are only a handful of people left in here. Censorship in a "Christian" forum is nothing but a form of fear, and it is usually TRUTH they are afraid of.
I must say that I wholeheartedly agree. Even heresy should be allowed in the sense that those with a solid scriptural background can refute it and others can thereby learn.
thank you that was my point and reply--i went to another forum and that was posted i replied back saying there was no 2 raptures in fact i did this twice..i disagreed on another post ..simply saying was not right..i got banned till jan 10
Well Ezra, you have my permission to use my favorite reply: "I've been throwed outta better places than this."
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ezra
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its all good i aint lost any sleep yet... i will confront the reason i was banned ...
Hi ezra and I'll just give my thoughts on it. The rapture is simply a term for being "caught up." When comparing arrival of saints the Apostle John saw arrive in heaven from the perspective of the timing of the Lord's Day, he describes them from a future point of view in Revelation 4:1 where he is shown things which must be hereafter.
Present with the Lord Jesus at His receiving of His own throne (Revelation 4:2) are two separate groups; the Smyrna church (Revelation 2:10) representing the crown bearing saints that are dead in Christ, and the Philadelphia (Revelation 4:6) church representing those alive and crown bearing (Revelation 3:11) at His coming for them.
Why are they present with the Lord prior to the temptation to come upon all the world? (Revelation 3:10) They patiently keep the word of God.
Next John sees a great multitude caught up to appear before the throne of God coming out of great tribulation. (Revelation 7:13-14)
Last of all are the 144,000 to appear in heaven caught up as the man child of Revelation 12:5, and described in Revelation 14:1. In Revelation 14:3 we see them standing before the throne, the four living ones and the twenty-four elders. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders.
I have said it elsewhere, and I'll repeat it; if there is a last trump, by necessity there are prior trumps.