Bible Study Rapture

[ezra]

I believe that only the Church will "inherit" the Kingdom as Son's of God and God as Father and Christ a brother according to the Spirit and will rule with Christ as priest and kings (Rom. 8:1-39; Rev. 1:6; 1 Cor. 6:1-5). And the Epistles are to the Church while Israel as a nation is set aside till the Church is complete, (Acts is very clear on this Acts 15:13-17.) The word "Inherit" is peculiar (only to the Church). Everyone will be resurrected in their own order, And we are the "First fruits of Christ" (1 Cor. 15:20-23). "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 49-50) The information and teaching is to the saints or sanctified body of Christ, and will come as a thief in the night. I believe that 2 Pet. 3:10-14 "Day of The Lord" covers, (in this order) Rapture of the Church, OT saints, 3 1/2 year tribulation, 3 1/2 year Great tribulation, The raising of the Tribulation saints, New heaven and earth, Millennial, with all the earthly promises fulfilled to Israel, Armageddon, Second resurrection of Judgments (plural) of the evil dead, Eternal life with Christ.

I believe that only the Church will "inherit" the Kingdom as Son's of God and God as Father and Christ a brother according to the Spirit and will rule with Christ as priest and kings

church is the Body of Christ for the life of me i fail to see how any else but would inherit

 

[ezra]

you keep telling us Christ has given us the signs to watch for.

first thing he said when asked that question let no man deceive you

 

[for_his_glory]

if someone make a profession of faith of salvation and they have no idea what to watch or how to watch . i have doubts of them ever being saved !!!!! well David Jeremiah is pre trib he pastors shadow mountain community Church in calif . i have read his material as well as others from other sides of the coin.. he does have scriptures to back up his pre trib.. i am not interested in the game of pre mid or after i can not change how it will happen .you stated you been studying REV. close 40 years that is great he has also at least 40 maybe LONGER.. i see the signs they all point he could return any moment " 25:13 Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour " stay alert/watch do we stay up all night drinking black coffee during the day watch the eastern sky all day? no we watch by walking in the spirit who leads us guides us directs us to all truth we need to know.... i can respect both sides of the fence on teaching

Many make a profession of faith in Christ who is our salvation, but yet have very little knowledge, and yet are saved. I know very well all these pretrib teachers as I use to be glued to their teachings, but yet questioned those scriptures they gave. I'm not interested in playing games as I take God's word very seriously as to what has already been written. All is in God's timing and not ours.

Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

We still take this message out to the world to help prepare those who know not Christ. Before Messiah came this was the message and still is as we wait for His return on the last day when God sends Him down for His Bride and makes an end to all abominations here on earth. People also need to know the consequences of what happens if their names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life and to this we prepare them the way of their own destruction that they can make a choice of life or death.


We have asked you to share those signs you say you know, but yet ignore our questions to you. We know we are to stay alert and watch. We know we must be prepared to be His Bride. These are not the questions we ask of you, but those signs Christ Himself gave us to watch for in those things here on earth that must come first as He has taught us to watch for in Matthew 24 before His glorious and dreadful return. These signs are not for the one who already knows them, but for us to teach those who do not.

 

[ezra]

We have asked you to share those signs you say you know, but yet ignore our questions to you.

look i have been respectful toward you the first sign jesus said let MAN /PERSON DECEIVE you . i will continue to ignore Jesus also said no sign would be given but that of Jonah.. they missed it and many are still missing it .

I'm not interested in playing games

let me assure you i am not playing games !!! if you think for a second i consider the return of Christ /the rapture or even salvation a game.. YOUR WRONG

These signs are not for the one who already knows them, but for us to teach those who do not.

i disagree they are for both and yes they should be taught...i dont need the prophecy lecture

We have asked you

who is we ? you think your calling me on the carpet ? you must have a mouse in your pocket if you need me list signs i see as in the days of noah... you must not study as much as you claim good evening to ya.. i probably kicked the golden cow over

 

[for_his_glory]

Why that is a good question, I guess because they loved the darkness more than they loved the light. Maybe if they would have accepted the word spoken from Zion, they would have understood and let the light shine forth into their hearts. But some are happy to sit in the darkness waiting and warning others about the wrath of the light to come.

Matthew 7:1-5
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

In post # 361 you said: "Actually, the children of darkness and the children of disobedience try to warn others of God's consuming fire and great wrath." and again here.


Ephesians 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Those in Christ and He in them by His Spirit are children of the light and not of darkness. Those of darkness are none of His as their names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

[for_his_glory]

I understand the simplicity of it, as well as the complexity of it. What make you think the wise virgins were already prepared? They too were fast asleep with the unwise when the cry was heard.

Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst, for they shall be filled. They shall never hunger nor thirst. But the unwise only knew the words of the book, but lacked the faith to follow on to know the Lord. They instead return to those who buy and sell in search of the word of the Lord. but it shall remain hidden from them.

Amos 8:11-13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God,
that I will send a famine in the land,
not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water,
but of hearing the words of the Lord:
And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east,
they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

Isaiah 29:7-8
And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel,
even all that fight against her
and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth;
but he awaketh, and his soul is empty:
or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh;
but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite:
so shall the multitude of all the nations be,
that fight against mount Zion.


John 4:14
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

John 6:35
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


Do you recall what happened to the manna from heaven when the children of Israel gathered more than their portion?

The oil represents the anointing of the Holy Spirit which these five virgins have as they have prepared themselves to be the Bride of Christ. The other five had no oil for their lamp, other words had not the anointing of the Holy Spirit. While these five went out searching for oil (Holy Spirit) Christ returned and received those five virgins that were prepared. The five that were not prepared Jesus told them He did not know them.

The manna is a different thing as this is speaking about the greedy as all they have will be burned up in the end of days.

 

[for_his_glory]

Oh no. This is this the word that I have heard of my Father. But my friends have confirmed it for me. Both you and JLB seem to have this same astoundingly confusing position. You say he dwells within our spirit, but then where does our spirit dwell? Has your spirit left its abode? Are you not in a carnal flesh body at this very moment? Does my spirit body exist somewhere outside of me? Should we look first to find our own spirit before we look for the Spirit of Christ? Or should we look first for the Spirit of Christ so that together we can then find our own spirit?


The spirit of antichrist denies that Jesus has came in the flesh. You said the Spirit of Christ does not come into our flesh because the flesh is emnity against the Spirit. You pride yourself on knowing the words of the book, but you still do not understand the Word of the Lord, or you would know and understand that the WORD became FLESH.





You have been missing it all along.



Deuteronomy 30:11-14
For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Romans 10:6-8
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above). Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead). But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Is it not the Holy Spirit that teaches and confirms the prophetic word to us as stated in John 14:26 and 2 Peter 1:19-21, so why do you believe your friends over that which the Holy Spirit teaches us.

So you are saying we are confused, but yet you do not believe that which is already written in Romans 8:1-9 and John 14:15-17 that I gave you to read.

Our spirit is that breath of God breathed in us that makes us a living soul, Genesis2:7; Ecc 12:7. When this fleshly body dies it's that breath/spirit that goes back to God who gave it. Our spirit is the immaterial part of us that connects with God.

Why can't you just simply state who these friends of Christ are as I am not going to play a guessing game with you.

 

[for_his_glory]

what does it mean to watch for Christ return ? the rapture the 2nd coming of Christ .has been hashed around so much its like a science or math equation . we have it all worked out and no the answer . some have said watch what to watch <sigh> i have posted this numerous times live your life like he could return at any second . a twinkling of a eye is just a split second .which can not be measured . it will happen so quick there will be no time to get ready.
i did a search ran across this
That is what occurred to the church. It was not literally asleep, but it became insensitive to its relationship with Jesus Christ. It became insensitive to its spiritual responsibilities. This do not mean that church members were out freely breaking the laws of God, but the relationship was still nonetheless deteriorating because of that lack of attention.

so to answer the silly question what are we to watch for... our relationship with Christ that it does not go Luke warm Paul said not be conformed to this world we live in but renewed by the transforming /changing of our minds by the Holy Spirit . if we are trying to live for him trying to be doer of the word not a hearer only . then we will know that when we see these things going on .. we can look up cause our redemption draws nigh close

Watching means properly using our minds


https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/3143/Watch-Pray-Always.htm

Ezra, once again, no one is disagreeing with you. The OP is about signs Christ gave us to watch for like all those things He said in Matthew 24 that must happen before He returns.

Matthew 24: 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Luke 21: 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21 speaks of the same things in Matthew 24. The main message is be ready for when all these things start to come to pass then keep watch as our redemption is nigh.

 

[for_his_glory]

What is it that you refuse to read and understand?




How does one watch for the wind? Can one see the wind? For those who stand watch, what is it they see? Only a branch shaken and broken reed. They can not tell you of the wind, only what they see hear once the wind has already come.

JLB keeps asking for a sign, and you keep telling us Christ has given us the signs to watch for. So why then do you feel the need to frighten others by warning them of God's mighty wrath. Have you not yet heard the Gospel of the Kingdom? The friend of the bridegroom was sent to prepare the way of the Lord, and yet his voice still seems lost to both of you.

You just don't get it. The warning of God's great wrath is not to scare people, but to hopefully bring them to Christ before the door of God's salvation is closed forever. This is what Jesus spoke in Matthew 24 and in greater detail in the revealing in Revelations as signs we are to watch for. These are not my words, but the very words of Christ written for all who will have ears to hear. I can't speak for JLB, but what I teach here is all about preparing the way of the Lord for His return so others will not be taken as a theif in the night, but to be like the five virgins who had oil in their lamps waiting for His return as they were prepared.

 

[for_his_glory]

look i have been respectful toward you the first sign jesus said let MAN /PERSON DECEIVE you . i will continue to ignore Jesus also said no sign would be given but that of Jonah.. they missed it and many are still missing it . let me assure you i am not playing games !!! if you think for a second i consider the return of Christ /the rapture or even salvation a game.. YOUR WRONG i disagree they are for both and yes they should be taught...i dont need the prophecy lecture who is we ? you think your calling me on the carpet ? you must have a mouse in your pocket if you need me list signs i see as in the days of noah... you must not study as much as you claim good evening to ya.. i probably kicked the golden cow over

You know Ezra, you and I have always gotten along, but now your attitude and rudeness you have displayed in here is very disturbing to me. It's alright to disagree with each other without calling potshots. I hold no animosity towards you as you are my brother in Christ, but in this thread I have to bid you a good night sir and pray we have better discussions in other threads.

 

[ezra]

but now your attitude and rudeness

i told you i hated to be that way as in a apology ahead of time..when you accused me of playing games . that was the straw that broke the camels back...dont try to treat me like some school kid .because i take a different approach to prophecy .when its says no man knows the hour or day. that tells me i best tell folks to be ready and watch.. how do we do that by being saved.. if your truly saved you have no worries if your not saved you have worries . this message will repeat it self till you understand what i am saying

 

[JLB]

that looks like a request to me..

I asked for the “signs” your friend of the bridegroom says we are to look for, that point to the coming of the Son of Man.



Not a “sign” which is a demonstration of proof of who the son of man was, which is what the Pharisee’s were asking Jesus.



Do you understand the difference?



JLB

 

[JLB]

I believe that only the Church will "inherit" the Kingdom as Son's of God and God as Father and Christ a brother according to the Spirit and will rule with Christ as priest and kings (Rom. 8:1-39; Rev. 1:6; 1 Cor. 6:1-5). And the Epistles are to the Church while Israel as a nation is set aside till the Church is complete, (Acts is very clear on this Acts 15:13-17.) The word "Inherit" is peculiar (only to the Church). Everyone will be resurrected in their own order,

The question I asked is :

Could you list some of the things that we are to be watching for? :


JLB

 

[JLB]

The information and teaching is to the saints or sanctified body of Christ, and will come as a thief in the night.

The Day of the Lord will not come as a thief in the night for the Church, the sanctified body of Christ.

But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:4


JLB

 

[JLB]

I believe that 2 Pet. 3:10-14 "Day of The Lord" covers, (in this order) Rapture of the Church, OT saints, 3 1/2 year tribulation, 3 1/2 year Great tribulation, The raising of the Tribulation saints, New heaven and earth, Millennial, with all the earthly promises fulfilled to Israel, Armageddon, Second resurrection of Judgments (plural) of the evil dead, Eternal life with Christ.

The resurrection comes be fore the rapture, in which both are caught together in the air to be with the Lord.

This occurs at the coming of the Lord.

• we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

• we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17


JLB

 

[JLB]

@JLB keeps asking for a sign, and you keep telling us Christ has given us the signs to watch for. So why then do you feel the need to frighten others by warning them of God's mighty wrath. Have you not yet heard the Gospel of the Kingdom? The friend of the bridegroom was sent to prepare the way of the Lord, and yet his voice still seems lost to both of you.

The Bible teaches us what signs to look for, which you have claimed are fleshly.


You prefer to heed the voice of the friend of the bridegroom for your guidance.



JLB

 

[Douglas Summers]

.you stated you been studying REV. close 40 years that is great he has also at least 40 maybe LONGER.. i see the signs they all point he could return any moment "

Hi ezra, It really does not matter how long someone studies Revelation. What matters is the truth of it. Look how long The Pope has studied the Bible...and he believes in evolution. Purgatory and other such things for 2000 years
Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are ...

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis...
The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

 

[ezrider]

I asked for the “signs” your friend of the bridegroom says we are to look for, that point to the coming of the Son of Man.



Not a “sign” which is a demonstration of proof of who the son of man was, which is what the Pharisee’s were asking Jesus.



Do you understand the difference?



JLB

So now you ask for multiple signs? One sign isn't enough for you? Oh ye of little faith, I already told you that no sign shall be given except for the sign of Jonah. Why do you keep asking? For it is an evil and wicked generation that seeks after a sign.

 

[ezrider]

The Bible teaches us what signs to look for, which you have claimed are fleshly.


You prefer to heed the voice of the friend of the bridegroom for your guidance.



JLB

You have the words of the book to teach you, but the friend of the bridegroom rejoices greatly because he hears the voice of the bridegroom.

 

[Douglas Summers]

The question I asked is :

Could you list some of the things that we are to be watching for? :

There is no signs for the rapture, it will come as a thief in the night, we are just told to be ready, in season and out of season. (2 Tim. 4:1-3). But when the second advent of the Lord comes, He gives these signs (Matt. 24:1-33) and it will be somewhere around 7 years from the rapture. This matches with Rev. 5:1-22:21. This is written to those who are living in that generation (Matt. 24:32-35). In 1 Pet. 4:7 when Peter says, "the end of all things is at hand," does not mean it will immediately appear, but that all things to that times were accomplished and every thing is at hand for the day of the Lord...and has been for 2000 years.