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Okay,the only one by name sentenced.......On a deeper level,one needs to understand who indeed followed satan,don't want to start anything so I'll just leave it...I will say those that followed him are not all condemed,only those who left their first habitation

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These are the 7000 that will die as soon as Christ feet touch the ground

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

They are the fallen angels

The ones who left their estate are the ones who were bound up and won't be released until Rev 9. (Locusts with a king). They were bound up for breading with humans. This lead to the Nephillim.

The rest are still condemned, they just aren't bound up yet. They are the ones who are running around on Earth. The Legion.

And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" 30Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.31The demons began to entreat Him, saying, "If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine."… Matt 8:30
 
II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

We are the temple of God. Also, the part about the talking idol....turn on your TV if you want to see what people worship these days. Same one? Don't know.
 
The ones who left their estate are the ones who were bound up and won't be released until Rev 9. (Locusts with a king). They were bound up for breading with humans. This lead to the Nephillim.

The rest are still condemned, they just aren't bound up yet. They are the ones who are running around on Earth. The Legion.

And they cried out, saying, "What business do we have with each other, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?" 30Now there was a herd of many swine feeding at a distance from them.31The demons began to entreat Him, saying, "If You are going to cast us out, send us into the herd of swine."… Matt 8:30


Yes this is when they are released,and Rev 12 is when they shall die....Let me expound upon what I meant by not all who followed satan are sentenced to die....First,had satan not rebelled,we never would have been made flesh....

Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

The "stars" of heaven are the "sons of God". This "old dragon" caused one third of all of God's creation to follow him. One third of God's children, are all those in their "soul bodies", are also called "angelic souls".

What it is saying here, is through Satan's fall in the first earth age, he drew one third of God's children to him. He caused them to fall, and they worshipped him, and believed in him to be their God. That is also his desire also for this age; to cause you and I, the children of God, to worship him.

When we read that "all living came from mother Eve", it means that "Messiah came from, or through mother Eve". He came through the offspring of mothers Eve, and Mary. And it is through the Messiah, Christ is offering eternal life to all mankind. For acceptance of God's gift, all mankind must pass from death to eternal life through the blood of Jesus Christ. So we see this refers to spiritual life, and not necessarily physical life.

In other words, some of us here followed satan a well............
 
Yes this is when they are released,and Rev 12 is when they shall die....Let me expound upon what I meant by not all who followed satan are sentenced to die....First,had satan not rebelled,we never would have been made flesh....

Revelation 12:4 "And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born."

The "stars" of heaven are the "sons of God". This "old dragon" caused one third of all of God's creation to follow him. One third of God's children, are all those in their "soul bodies", are also called "angelic souls".

What it is saying here, is through Satan's fall in the first earth age, he drew one third of God's children to him. He caused them to fall, and they worshipped him, and believed in him to be their God. That is also his desire also for this age; to cause you and I, the children of God, to worship him.

When we read that "all living came from mother Eve", it means that "Messiah came from, or through mother Eve". He came through the offspring of mothers Eve, and Mary. And it is through the Messiah, Christ is offering eternal life to all mankind. For acceptance of God's gift, all mankind must pass from death to eternal life through the blood of Jesus Christ. So we see this refers to spiritual life, and not necessarily physical life.

In other words, some of us here followed satan a well............

There is a distinction to be made. "Sons of God" refers to direct creations of God, angels, in Hebrew. We are only sons of God by adoption. Before Christ pulls us out of the world, we ALL worshiped Satan. We just didn't know it. That is why choosing the world over Christ is choosing Satan over Christ. What we see in this world is the result of the world having Satan as its god.

That is part of why knowing the Truth and forsaking it puts someone in a WORSE position. Before that it was not willful, but after that it is willful worship of Satan.
 
There is a distinction to be made. "Sons of God" refers to direct creations of God, angels, in Hebrew. We are only sons of God by adoption. Before Christ pulls us out of the world, we ALL worshiped Satan. We just didn't know it. That is why choosing the world over Christ is choosing Satan over Christ. What we see in this world is the result of the world having Satan as its god.

That is part of why knowing the Truth and forsaking it puts someone in a WORSE position. Before that it was not willful, but after that it is willful worship of Satan.

What Im trying to say is,we were all created at the same time,ie not flesh,we are all sons of God,and not necessarily by adoption as you say

Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"

Who were these "sons of God" [the stars that sang], and when did these sons of God sing for Joy? We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them. Some how the people of this earth age are trying to forget Satan and the role that he played at the rebellion in that first earth age. We see that Satan was not in the conversation with Job and his friends at this time. They all have overlooked the overall plan of God. However had Job known the plan of God, where would he have been then, when the foundations of this earth were laid and the angels were rejoicing? Of course He would have been there with the rest of them, where we all were. You see, we the elect of God were chosen before the foundations of this earth were laid, and so was Job.

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world [age], that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children of Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)

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Let me make sure I am understanding you. You are saying you believe we used to be angels and we rebelled?

Not all,only 1/3 that's why God did'nt just destroy those that did right then in there...He came up with a plan which required us to be born of woman,ie,flesh.....

Before satan rebelled we lived here on earth,in our spiritual bodies
 
Not all,only 1/3 that's why God did'nt just destroy those that did right then in there...He came up with a plan which required us to be born of woman,ie,flesh.....

Before satan rebelled we lived here on earth,in our spiritual bodies

1/3 of the sheep will be refined, not 2/3. Zechariah 13:8 (whole passage)

And if only 1/3rd of us rebelled, only 1/3rd of us would have been taken captive to sin.

I believe you have fallen into error here, brother. I recommend reconsidering your view.

Angels and Fallen Angels were never made flesh. They are different creations than us. We are not direct creations of God, although he crafts us in the womb and breathes life into us.
 
1/3 of the sheep will be refined, not 2/3. Zechariah 13:8 (whole passage)

And if only 1/3rd of us rebelled, only 1/3rd of us would have been taken captive to sin.

I believe you have fallen into error here, brother. I recommend reconsidering your view.

Angels and Fallen Angels were never made flesh. They are different creations than us. We are not direct creations of God, although he crafts us in the womb and breathes life into us.


Don't feel like Im in error,we were with God before being born,we were with Him when He created this earth.....

That's why God would say

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Before Jeremiah was even concieved within his mothers womb, God is telling Jeremiah that He knew him, and before Jeremiah was born, God sanctified him, which is to set Jeremiah apart for God's mission.

Again we were the sons of God mentioned in Job.....

In Isaiah 45:18; "For thus saith the Lord That created the heavens; God Himself That formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: "I am the Lord; and there is none else." God did not create the earth void, but He created it to be inhabited. He did not create it "tohu va bohu"

Satan rebelled, and one third of the souls followed him in that rebellion, and God brought a close to that first earth age, and brought about man himself in this earth age of the flesh. Each soul now comes from God, and enters the embryo in the womb, and is born innocent of that first earth age. This flesh body is formed in the womb from the elements of the earth that the mother consumes from food she eats and it is developed into its final form at birth. In the flesh body, man (woman) then has the free will to descide for itself whether it would love God or Satan.

No the fallen angels were not made flesh........They left

Do you feel you were created at birth,if so,that's the error..........
 
Yes I was created at birth. God breathed life into me and crafted me in my mother's womb. God is not limited by time. He knew who I was, what I would do, and prepared good works for me to do ahead of time. Before I was even conceived. I was not a direct creation of God's and my genetics are corrupted by sins from my ancestors. I was born into sin and reconciled by the Blood of Christ, God's only begotten Son. This is not error.

Your error is in assuming that Jeremiah 1:5 is spoken by the Breath of a God who is limited by time.

Isaiah 45:18 does not support your position.

If you have anything left to add, feel free, but I probably won't respond unless I send you a private message seeing as we will probably get moderated if we go too far off topic.
 
The anti christ is non other than satan himself

I think it is more likely a reference to spiritual children of Satan, the father of all lies. Jesus says Satan has children. It might just also reference a human being, however the more I think about it the more I think this is not the case and the Scripture that seems to indicate this is allegorical.
 
Yes I was created at birth. God breathed life into me and crafted me in my mother's womb. God is not limited by time. He knew who I was, what I would do, and prepared good works for me to do ahead of time. Before I was even conceived. I was not a direct creation of God's and my genetics are corrupted by sins from my ancestors. I was born into sin and reconciled by the Blood of Christ, God's only begotten Son. This is not error.

Your error is in assuming that Jeremiah 1:5 is spoken by the Breath of a God who is limited by time.

Isaiah 45:18 does not support your position.

If you have anything left to add, feel free, but I probably won't respond unless I send you a private message seeing as we will probably get moderated if we go too far off topic.

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Well since this isn't getting moderated I will reply here onelove:
From your link:
""John 17:24
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
KJV

Look at this! Wow, "he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world" He has chosen them BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD! Gee, I guess WE existed before the world was founded!
Without blame! What could I be blamed for if I never existed before the foundation of the world? Maybe there was some sort of overthrow in the world?""

This is a false presupposition. The Book of Life was written before the foundation of the world. Those who rise in Christ will be seen without blame in the eyes of the Father because Christ bore our sins on the Cross. The sins of the righteous will be forgotten.

Does this mean we have no free will or does this mean God knew what we would do before the world was even created?

No,not all have free will,some were sanctified before the foundation of the world,because of this,God can and will interfere in their lives...Ask yourself why did God interfere in Pauls life,on that road to damascus....

If all were written in the book,what's the purpose of this life?
 
Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.

Have you ever wondered why you do the things that you do, at times. It's just like you have a destiny. You have always felt their is more to life, and this world, then what you have been taught. Paul addresses this in Romans 8:27. In verse twenty six it says that there are times in your life when the Holy Spirit makes intercession for you because you don't even know what to pray for.

"And he that searcheth the heart knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:27 These saints are "the set-aside ones", or "the chosen". God has a overall plan, and a purpose in that plan just for you. That purpose is to bring back His children to Him; after that overthrow, and in this earth age.

Why would God intercede in a person's life, without them even asking? When your free-will goes against God's purpose for your life, God will intercede. When Paul's "free will" was to destroy all Christians, God's will was to take this highly educated man, and use Paul as the instrument for Him. Paul used to same drive to destroy Christians, that he used later to convert people, after his conversion.
We read that the Lord said; "...For He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5
"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

"And we know that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 This verse is directed to a certain people, with a condition attached. This applies to "them who are called according to His purpose." "His purpose" is called God's plan, and God's overall plan is the offering of Salvation to all. That plan includes the teaching of God's Word; to plant seeds to convict; to live our life for Him; and to go and speak where God leads you. God will use you as it pleases Him.

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.

"Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".

Certain of God's children stood against Satan in the first earth age, and those that did stand, and did not follow Satan; God judged [justified], and He "chose" them then to be used in His eternal plan. Through God's perfect plan, God "predestined", and "ordained" each of them to His purpose to be used in this flesh age. Each of these will also be used in the Millennium age as priests, or called the "Zadok".
When you become a Christian, and God has given you a working over, He is trying to wake you up. God is calling out a people, His people, the "Elect-chosen, and predestined" to stand against the Antichrist [Satan] in this final generation.
 
No,not all have free will,some were sanctified before the foundation of the world,because of this,God can and will interfere in their lives...Ask yourself why did God interfere in Pauls life,on that road to damascus....

If all were written in the book,what's the purpose of this life?

To glorify God.
 
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