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He is speaking to the Disciples in the hearing of the people.

The event that Jesus is referring to in the Olivet Discourse is found in Zechariah 12.

1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem...then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:1-2,10

Compare to Matthew 24:30 -

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


JLB

What is Matthew 24:30 had been translated "all the tribes of the Land" rather than "earth", what would you think then when comparing it to Zech 12? It could have just as easily been land as earth. In fact, the transliteration I use, says "land". http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat24.pdf

G1093 = ghay
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.

Revelation 1:7 YLT
Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!
 
JLB, it's a very long stretch to even think that Jesus was talking about two separate events. It's also a stretch to say He was openly teaching in the temple about this event.
We let scripture interpret scripture right? Usually scripture has a witness of at least one other scripture, if not two.
I think this would be grasping at straws. I think we need to see that Matt. and Mark are talking about the same future event that Luke is. Correct?

We have three different writers with different writing styles. Maybe Luke didn't find it was so important to be specific about where they were exactly when He first began to speak on this subject, but was concentrating on the content of the teaching.
What is Matthew 24:30 had been translated "all the tribes of the Land" rather than "earth", what would you think then when comparing it to Zech 12? It could have just as easily been land as earth. In fact, the transliteration I use, says "land". http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat24.pdf

G1093 = ghay
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.

Revelation 1:7 YLT
Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!

It fits even better that way.
 
No sir!

37 And in the daytime He was teaching in the temple, but at night He went out and stayed on the mountain called Olivet. Luke 21:37


Matthew and Mark make a clear statement in this matter -

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?" Matthew 24:3


3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, Mark 13:3

Of course words of truth like these, would make no difference to those that would add phrases to the bible such as -

"Old Covenant age", or "Jewish age".

Phrases that seemingly validate the position of Preterism, but don't stand up to the test of the word of truth.

Luke 21 records Jesus teaching in the Temple area.


JLB
So what is the problem? Clearly Matt 24:3 and Mark 13:3 are at night, as is Luke 21:6 and on, while Luke 21:1-5 is at the end of the day as they are leaving the temple mount (after the daytime teaching of Luke 20) for the mount of olives where they spend the night.

As for your stance against a 'Jewish' or 'old covenant' age, perhaps you would like to do a word study on strong's G165 aiōn.

1Cr 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
 
So what is the problem? Clearly Matt 24:3 and Mark 13:3 are at night, as is Luke 21:6 and on, while Luke 21:1-5 is at the end of the day as they are leaving the temple mount (after the daytime teaching of Luke 20) for the mount of olives where they spend the night.

As for your stance against a 'Jewish' or 'old covenant' age, perhaps you would like to do a word study on strong's G165 aiōn.

1Cr 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Luke 20:34-36 says it all.

Jesus is our Teacher.
 
Explain yourself.

34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
 
34 And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

What does that have to do with what Sinthesis wrote?
 
So what is the problem? Clearly Matt 24:3 and Mark 13:3 are at night, as is Luke 21:6 and on, while Luke 21:1-5 is at the end of the day as they are leaving the temple mount (after the daytime teaching of Luke 20) for the mount of olives where they spend the night.

As for your stance against a 'Jewish' or 'old covenant' age, perhaps you would like to do a word study on strong's G165 aiōn.

1Cr 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.


What is in fact clear, is in Matthew and Mark, Jesus was teaching privately to His disciples on the Mount of Olives.

In Luke 21, Jesus was teaching in the Temple area,in the hearing of all the people.

Concerning this age and the age to come, as long as people marry and are given in marriage, and they still die, it is called "this age".

It has been "this age" since Adam, and will still be this age untill the last Day, and the resurrection, when jesus comes to gather His people.

He will come once more!


JLB
 
What is in fact clear, is in Matthew and Mark, Jesus was teaching privately to His disciples on the Mount of Olives.

In Luke 21, Jesus was teaching in the Temple area,in the hearing of all the people.

JLB,

It never said, in Luke, that Jesus was in the temple after he and his disciples began their discussion on the destruction of the temple. You are assuming that is what happened. That is called spiritualizing the scripture.

Dan
 
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JLB,

It never said, in Luke, that Jesus was in the temple after he and his disciples began their discussion on the destruction of the temple. You are assuming that is what happened. That is called spiritualizing the scripture.

Dan

The context and words of the scriptures teach us the setting of where Jesus was when He was speaking to the those in the Temple area.

Here are the scriptures again, that led us to a clear and valid conclusion.

Previous verses that establish context -

1 Now it happened on one of those days, as He taught the people in the temple and preached the gospel, that the chief priests and the scribes, together with the elders, confronted Him... Luke 20:1

Then, in the hearing of all the people, He said to His disciples... Luke 20:45

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, "Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had." 5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 "These things which you see--the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." Luke 21:1-6

And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury...
He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites...

Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations...


Jesus was clearly in the Temple area in Luke 21.

You just refuse to acknowledge the truth of the scriptures.

You have done this every time you are presented with the truth of the scriptures.



JLB
 
I find it sad that you feel the need to lash out at those who you were seeking to inform. People can believe whatever they want, even you. However that freedom of belief does not extend to a unilateral freedom to redefine the fundamentals of Christianity. Whatever your transgression, you could learn much by postponing the zealous race to glorious perceived martyrdom and instead choose to engage others in meekness and respect.
 
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The context and words of the scriptures teach us the setting of where Jesus was when He was speaking to the those in the Temple area.

Here are the scriptures again, that led us to a clear and valid conclusion.

Previous verses that establish context -

1 Now it happened on one of those days, as He taught the people in the temple and preached the gospel, that the chief priests and the scribes, together with the elders, confronted Him... Luke 20:1

Then, in the hearing of all the people, He said to His disciples... Luke 20:45

1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, "Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had." 5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 6 "These things which you see--the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." Luke 21:1-6

And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury...
He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites...

Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations...


Jesus was clearly in the Temple area in Luke 21.

You just refuse to acknowledge the truth of the scriptures.

You have done this every time you are presented with the truth of the scriptures.



JLB

How do you see so much that others cannot see? All I see is Jesus saying virtually the same thing he said in Mark and Matthew; yet you want to spiritualize the passage of Luke as if it is an entirely different event. Doesn't work for me. Never will.
 
"I find it sad that you feel the need to lash out at those who you were seeking to inform. People can believe whatever they want, even you. However that freedom of belief does not extend to a unilateral freedom to redefine the fundamentals of Christianity. Whatever your transgression, you could learn much by postponing the zealous race to glorious perceived martyrdom and instead choose to engage others in meekness and respect."

Send me a private message if you wish to take what you have to say seriously. God bless, DJP or find me on the internet under my name donald perry or donald james perry / not sure if I am allowed to post my email here and I CANNOT send you a private message, you are not set up for that, but I suspect that you can send me one.
 
How do you see so much that others cannot see? All I see is Jesus saying virtually the same thing he said in Mark and Matthew; yet you want to spiritualize the passage of Luke as if it is an entirely different event. Doesn't work for me. Never will.

It was a different setting with a different audience.

What was taught to the Disciples privately was recorded in Matthew and Mark.

JLB
 
"I find it sad that you feel the need to lash out at those who you were seeking to inform. People can believe whatever they want, even you. However that freedom of belief does not extend to a unilateral freedom to redefine the fundamentals of Christianity. Whatever your transgression, you could learn much by postponing the zealous race to glorious perceived martyrdom and instead choose to engage others in meekness and respect."

Send me a private message if you wish to take what you have to say seriously. God bless, DJP or find me on the internet under my name donald perry or donald james perry / not sure if I am allowed to post my email here and I CANNOT send you a private message, you are not set up for that, but I suspect that you can send me one.

I get private messages all the time.
 
*Sinthesis*, I am not posting my thoughts on this forum any more, if you want to talk to me send me a private message as I outlined above.
 
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