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eddif said:
I hope it is not me making unfounded comments.

John 10:9 KJV
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

To head in the direction of God, is not the whole story. Evidently on this narrow path you come to a door (I have used the tool booth to explain). Jesus paid the price for eternal life.
Job said my sins were placed in a sack and sewn up.

eddif
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You cannot tell a person on his journey that somehow he has not reached the door yet.
That's not for us to say.
We don't know when any particular person has reached the door.
God knows the heart.
What if the person died a day after repenting? It's not for us to say at what point he was spiritually.
God is just and will know what would have happened if the person had lived. It's not our place to know
It's not our place to teach anyone what they are not ready to learn - it's our place to encourage people on their journey - not to give them recipes on how to be saved.

If they're searching for God, they most probably have already found Him in some way.
For a person living in a place where Jesus is preached, it is necessary to believe in Jesus.
This does not happen everywhere. Are all those destined for hell? I have friends who believe this. I cannot believe it. Romans 1:19-20 comes to mind.

W
 
wondering said:
You cannot tell a person on his journey that somehow he has not reached the door yet.
That's not for us to say.
We don't know when any particular person has reached the door.
God knows the heart.
What if the person died a day after repenting? It's not for us to say at what point he was spiritually.
God is just and will know what would have happened if the person had lived. It's not our place to know
It's not our place to teach anyone what they are not ready to learn - it's our place to encourage people on their journey - not to give them recipes on how to be saved.

If they're searching for God, they most probably have already found Him in some way.
For a person living in a place where Jesus is preached, it is necessary to believe in Jesus.
This does not happen everywhere. Are all those destined for hell? I have friends who believe this. I cannot believe it. Romans 1:19-20 comes to mind.

W
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Romans 1:19-20
Speak of hidden treasures. Thou shall not muzzle the ox is an explained hidden truth in an ordinance.
I Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his l.

There are two levels promised Israel:
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Written in hearts
Laws in their minds

Understanding the whole revealed story is important. Taking it past the ox is important.

Taking John's baptism of repentance and believing in the one who comes after John also.

I was baptised into John's baptism 12 years. I was on the road toward God. While a Gentile I only had John's baptism. Only when I believed in the work of Jesus did I receive eternal life. Only when I received the Holy Spirit did my ability to witness start to develop. The meals of Revelation 3:20 are important.

I still see all this through #14 shade welding glasses. Not blind but having the eyes of understanding opened in Christ Jesus. Complete transformation will not occur till the resurrection.

Till the resurrection I see through a glass darkly.

redneck
eddif
 
eddif said:
Romans 1:19-20
Speak of hidden treasures. Thou shall not muzzle the ox is an explained hidden truth in an ordinance.
I Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his l.

There are two levels promised Israel:
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Written in hearts
Laws in their minds

Understanding the whole revealed story is important. Taking it past the ox is important.

Taking John's baptism of repentance and believing in the one who comes after John also.

I was baptised into John's baptism 12 years. I was on the road toward God. While a Gentile I only had John's baptism. Only when I believed in the work of Jesus did I receive eternal life. Only when I received the Holy Spirit did my ability to witness start to develop. The meals of Revelation 3:20 are important.

I still see all this through #14 shade welding glasses. Not blind but having the eyes of understanding opened in Christ Jesus. Complete transformation will not occur till the resurrection.

Till the resurrection I see through a glass darkly.

redneck
eddif
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I agree with all of the above.
I do find it interesting that you chose to speak of muzzling the ox.

Please see James 3:1-5
Not all are gifted with teaching.
The tongue can encourage
Or it can destroy.

W
 
wondering said:
I agree with all of the above.
I do find it interesting that you chose to speak of muzzling the ox.

Please see James 3:1-5
Not all are gifted with teaching.
The tongue can encourage
Or it can destroy.

W
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I chose the ox because:
Deuteronomy 25:4
I Timothy 5:18
I Corinthians 9:9-12

It allows me not to give my thoughts as much. I just refer to the subject and a bible student can read for their self. I am just taking the seed coat off the corn and allowing each person to use the concept as they will.

I try not to invent judgements.
Meaning?
If I see Gods judgements in Romans 1
Then
If I just quote them. They are His judgements and not mine.

But some:
Know the judgements of God and choose to do sins and support those others doing the same thing. These are the folks judging.
And it just took me 25 years to see that. I just try and pass on what I understand (with scripture that hopefully is where the comment springs from). Hopefully it is not ust some private thought. I do read some of my comments and realize that they do not fit popular doctrine. With fear and trembling I go forward.

eddif
 
wondering said:
I agree with all of the above.
I do find it interesting that you chose to speak of muzzling the ox.

Please see James 3:1-5
Not all are gifted with teaching.
The tongue can encourage
Or it can destroy.

W
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