Growth Reply To An Interesting Inquiry of “From Eternity Pastâ€

[netchaplain]

“So, would you then say that in effect God causes the sinner to sin the sins they sin? Thus when a man is tempted it is because God created Him to be tempted in just this way?â€



It is obvious God created man with the ability to sin, same as the angels (but they are not heirs of salvation, just messengers to those who are - Heb 1:14), or Adam and Eve couldn't have sinned. Whether this nature was antecedent of the temptation is irrelevant to me, but God's foreknowing is. I believe one the primary similarities between the angelic and human order is autonomy, which is what I believe is the primary "likeness" of God, e.g. only man and angels have this ability.

I believe it is this ability of choosing for self (Deu 30:19) that incurs accountability, and just as the angels were created with the ability to choose, so man also has. God's "ways are past finding out" (Rom 11:33) and I believe He chose to use sin in His plan, which in my opinion does not make God to become a part of sin. To allow for the concept of man being in His "likeness" concerning choice, He "determined" this is the way, or He would have predetermined another way if it wasn't the way He desired it to transpire.

God doesn't "cause the sinner to sin" but in order that we are like (likeness) Him in autonomy, this is His way.

I expect there will be many who conceive of this concept to be ridiculous and my apologies, but my reason for posting all my materials is to encourage, not compete.

-NC (Robert)

 

[gr8grace]

I concur Robert.

We are sinful creatures and it is hard for us to remember, even comprehend that Christ took care of the sin problem on the Cross. It is finished.No matter what our beliefs about sin....the "what" or "why" Christ finished sin on the Cross.

In eternity Past God saw all would sin....He took care of that problem on the Cross.

Foreknowledge makes nothing certain, but merely anticipates what is certain. In this regard, God knew from eternity past who would and who would not believe of their own volition at gospel hearing or calling. Foreknowledge enables God to anticipate all things and initiate a perfect, foolproof plan for the objects of His foreknowledge.

Foreknowledge as applied to God is static, in that God has always foreknown all things (God does not need to actively acquire information).

 

[Brother Mike]

God doesn't "cause the sinner to sin" but in order that we are like (likeness) Him in autonomy, this is His way.

I expect there will be many who conceive of this concept to be ridiculous and my apologies, but my reason for posting all my materials is to encourage, not compete.

Interesting.

One has to ask if giving something the ability to do something, that it would be the intended effect?

Do I not design the automobile knowing that so many a year are killed in them?

With the automobile one can make it through it's lifetime without being totaled. You can repair those minor dings and stop signs that were knocked over.

With the believer the Blood of the lamb repairs and fixes those sins committed. Repair shop for cars in place to fix things, Jesus in place to fix things also.

The design was not without a way to make it better and repair it.

So then the question is asked again............... Do I really take all that time to design an automobile to be totaled and completely wasted? Was that my purpose?

Blessings

Mike.

 

[stovebolts]

An excellent post @netchaplin,
Thank you for that encouragement!

 

[netchaplain]

An excellent post @netchaplin,
Thank you for that encouragement!

Thank you too for the encouraging compliment!