Robbing Paul to Pay Peter and James

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  1. Pegasus

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    Robbing Paul to Pay Peter and James
    Article ID: JAP355 | By: James Patrick Holding

    Summary:
    The apostle Peter once said of Paul’s letters, “[they] contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort” (2 Pet. 3:16; all Scripture quotations from the NIV, except where noted). Although that was written in the first century, more than two thousand years later a trend has emerged that encapsulates Peter’s warning just as readily. A new breed of “ignorant and unstable” people are now distorting Paul’s letters in order to condemn him unjustly.

    Seeking to disconnect Paul from the rest of the New Testament, and the early Christian church, a movement designated by the slogan, “Jesus’ Words Only” (JWO) argues that Paul was a turncoat whose letters were inappropriately inserted into the New Testament canon. Strangely, proponents of this view may also argue that God ensured that other parts of the Bible, including the Old Testament, warned us in various coded ways that Paul would appear. The JWO movement’s reasoning is, therefore, that God found it more convenient to drop obscure hints about Paul throughout the text of the rest of the Bible—hints that only they have had the perspicacity to uncover—than to name Paul explicitly as a villain, or else, simply ensure that Paul’s works never made it into the canon in the first place.

    A leading voice in the JWO movement is attorney Douglas del Tondo, whose book Jesus’ Words Only (Infinity Publishing, 2006) has served as a flagship piece for many JWO proponents. More recently, controversial dot.com executive Craig Winn has posted an online book titled Questioning Paul,1 which takes many of the same arguments made by del Tondo further, and adds Winn’s own tendentious applications. Both authors make much of what they see as Paul’s unwarranted abrogation of Old Testament law, and detect subtle warnings about Paul all through the rest of the Bible. When Genesis 49:27, for example, speaks of the tribe of Benjamin as a “ravenous wolf,” both authors determine that this is intended as a warning to us about Paul, a Benjamite (Phil. 3:5), appearing as a “ravenous wolf” in the church.

    More Here: http://www.equip.org/article/robbing-paul-pay-peter-james/

    Apologetic: Do we have JWO members here on CF.net and if so does the source discussion piece properly represent your groups views?

    All others: comments are welcome if anyone has encountered JWO adherents.
     
  2. jasonc

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    we had one member here along time and ago he was banned.
     
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    Lol figured as much.
     
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    weird doctrine, follow only the words of Jesus and also a work based salvation. really odd if I remember him.
     
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  6. JohnDB

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    Run into them briefly right before they were banned by myself and/or others.

    The "gospel" they promote is one of hatred and bigotry. Things we stand against.
    Paul is an exceptional apostle to us Gentiles in explaining the Revelation of Jesus, the God-man.

    Where Paul is highly sarcastic and energetic to the point of starting religious riots (who does this?) Where he himself got caught up in them and left for dead I find him nothing but highly reverent towards Jesus and completely humble in his beliefs.
     
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    Haven't run into that sorta stuff myself, but
    says enough :yes
     
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    God gives us wisdom and understanding of His word through His Holy Spirit and we are to judge by the fruits they display. There have always been and will always be those who form their own sects to distort the word of God causing many to stumble and fall. Satan knows his time is short and he is working even harder to cause many to fall away from truth.

    2 Peter 2:
    1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
     
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