Roles for Husbands & Wives in Marriage

[Jethro Bodine]

He is committing adultery only if he divorces and marries another.

If I'm free to have more than one wife, what does divorcing one or more of them have to do with having and taking other wives? I may be sinning in regard to the wife I divorce, but according to you I'm entitled to have the others. Not according to Jesus. He calls that adultery.

 

[felix]

If I'm free to have more than one wife, what does divorcing one or more of them have to do with having and taking other wives? I may be sinning in regard to the wife I divorce, but according to you I'm entitled to have the others. Not according to Jesus. He calls that adultery.

You are entitled to have other wives as long as they themselves were not divorced by someone else.

If Jesus called having more than one wife is adultery, then half of the children of Israel are bastards as they are not born of one women but four women from Jacob.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You are entitled to have other wives as long as they themselves were not divorced by someone else.

Yeah, so? What's that got to do with taking another wife who is not divorced from someone else?

If Jesus called having more than one wife is adultery, then half of the children of Israel are bastards as they are not born of one women but four women from Jacob.

He allowed multiple wives, just as he allowed divorce. They can go hand in hand. Men often divorce for the purpose of having another, different wife.

And he allowed a man to divorce to escape from a wife and have another one because of the hardness of men's hearts. The man who thinks divorce and multiple wives is okay (one at a time, or at the same time) is simply showing the hardness of his heart.

 

[felix]

He allowed multiple wives, just as he allowed divorce. They can go hand in hand (men often divorce for the purpose of having another, different wife).

And he allowed a man to divorce to escape from a wife and have another one because of the hardness of men's hearts. The man who thinks divorce and multiple wives (one at a time, or at the same time) is simply showing the hardness of his heart.

Are you suggesting God the Father allowed a grave "sin" in the law and God the Son came along, changed and declared it as a "sin"?

Why do you blaspheme God by saying, God the Father made Israelite commit adultery all along the OT by allowing multiple wives according to Christ (Since Christ declared it as adultery changing the law "according to you")?

 

[NinaMMitchell]

First, I can't understand why you wrote this: ""the wife should voice her opinion, being that she's a thinking, adult indicidual""

No one has asserted otherwise, so why argue a point that the opposing view is not being argued? Its a sincere question and I see this all the time in mixed gender discussions of submission. Its like most if not all are agreeing but the women want to either have the last word or have the thing stated a very very certain way in their words. Can you help me understand why you stated that?

The husband isnt God thing comes up in almost every submission discussion, so I said what I said because of that, not only to you

I said it in conclusion to what I said about the husband being likely to make mistakes. I know no one has said other wise. However, comments like "the wife should learn to obey and know her place" (not said by you) is extremely demeaning, weather it was meant that way or not, and I believe it was that comment that prompted me to say anything about submission roles in the first place.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Are you suggesting God the Father allowed a grave "sin" in the law and God the Son came along, changed and declared it as a "sin"?

Why do you blaspheme God by saying, God the Father made Israelite commit adultery all along the OT by allowing multiple wives according to Christ (Since Christ declared it as adultery changing the law "according to you")?

Since the Law allowed divorce before the giving of the Spirit in the New Covenant out of consideration of the hardness of men's hearts--and thus allowed the adultery that results from getting divorced-- why do you think that would not also be the reason in an earlier time of spiritless hardness of heart before the Spirit was given?

You don't seem to understand keys points Jesus makes in the Sermon on the Mount about various things the Law says and what the better way of the Spirit is that teaches us spiritual truths we are now able to see and follow with the change of heart God promised we'd have in this New Covenant.

Divorce/ multiple wives is for hard hearts. Staying married, and only having one wife is for tender, Spirit-filled hearts in this New Covenant.

 

[felix]

Since the Law allowed divorce before the giving of the Spirit in the New Covenant out of consideration of the hardness of men's hearts--and thus allowed the adultery that results from getting divorced-- why do you think that would not also be the reason in an earlier time of spiritless hardness of heart before the Spirit was given?

You don't seem to understand keys points Jesus makes in the Sermon on the Mount about various things the Law says and what the better way of the Spirit is that teaches us spiritual truths we are now able to see and follow with the change of heart God promised we'd have in this New Covenant.

Divorce/ multiple wives is for hard hearts. Staying married, and only having one wife is for tender, Spirit-filled hearts in this New Covenant.

Sorry, you are adding to what the scripture says. It only says divorce was allowed because of hardness of men, not multiple wives.

I can wake a person who is sleeping but not a person who pretends to sleep.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Sorry, you are adding to what the scripture says. It only says divorce was allowed because of hardness of men, not multiple wives.

I'm not adding anything. Jesus plainly said taking another wife in place of a divorced wife is adultery. How much more that is true if you take another wife while you're still married to the one you now have.

You still have not explained how the man who takes a wife after divorcing his present wife is HIMSELF committing adultery (as opposed to having his ex-wife's adultery somehow imputed to him if she remarries, as you argue), but if he takes another wife while he is still married to her he isn't committing adultery. How can that be so, if, as you claim, it's okay to take multiple wives? Think about it.

I can wake a person who is sleeping but not a person who pretends to sleep.

I can't make a person see who does not have eyes to see. Only God can do that. How much more true that is for someone who refuses to see, when that's the case.

 

[felix]

Jesus plainly said taking another wife in place of a divorced wife is adultery.

That's a big lie in quoting Jesus which He did not say. Here is what He said:

(Matt 5:32) "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

How much more that is true if you take another wife while you're still married to the one you now have

Where does this come from? Jethro Bodine's bible?

End of conversation. Unsubscribing from this thread.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Where does this come from? Jethro Bodine's bible?

End of conversation. Unsubscribing from this thread.

You get your little hindy back here and explain to us how it's adultery to take another wife when you divorce a wife you now have, but it's not adultery if you take another wife while keeping the one you now have.

 

[Boidae21]

Even though my wife and I don't have as much sex as I would like, it's called compromise or even masturbation, not take on another wife just because I want to satisfy my sexual desire.

I would never think about taking another wife while I am married already, even when I wasn't a Christian.

 

[Pizzaguy]

You get your little hindy back here and explain to us how it's adultery to take another wife when you divorce a wife you now have, but it's not adultery if you take another wife while keeping the one you now have.

 

[reba]

God created Adam and made Eve from his rib... Wondering how many ribs Adam ended up with.
God did not created Adam and Eve,Eve,Eve,Eve.

 

[felix]

You get your little hindy back here and explain to us how it's adultery to take another wife when you divorce a wife you now have, but it's not adultery if you take another wife while keeping the one you now have.

'The man who commits adultery with another man's wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death - Lev 20:10.

Because adultery is defined as when a man has sex with another man's wife while he is still living. It is not adultery when a man takes another virgin or a wife of another man who is dead, to be his wife.

Anyway I am not subscribed to this thread. If I happen to visit, may be I will respond.

 

[felix]

God created Adam and made Eve from his rib... Wondering how many ribs Adam ended up with.
God did not created Adam and Eve,Eve,Eve,Eve.

God also created naked. That does not mean we had to run around naked.

What you said does not say anything about having another wife is a sin. Also, the twelve tribes of Israel are the result of four women to one man.

 

[reba]

He clothed them.

 

[reba]

A real man does not have need of more then one wife. The example we have is Christ and His Church.

 

[felix]

A real man does not have need of more then one wife. The example we have is Christ and His Church.

I agree. But that said, my point is not that. Even if he had taken another wife, it is not a sin.

 

[reba]

Well you are not Christ.

True Christianity is blessing to women. Christ treated us with respect and caring. The Scriptures show a beautiful picture of marriage. The one of God and His Bride. Selfish self serving men do what they can to pervert His word for their own sinful pleasure.

 

[handy]

As was mentioned in another thread, wives have "ownership" or at the very least authority over her husband's body... unless she consents to his giving his body to another, he cannot do so without usurping her ownership of his body. 1 Corinthians 7 provides the context for the comments.

As for this exchange:

Jesus plainly said taking another wife in place of a divorced wife is adultery.

That's a big lie in quoting Jesus which He did not say. Here is what He said:

(Matt 5:32) "But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.

Felix... you are aware, I know you are, that this isn't the only area where Jesus addressed this subject... the issue is indeed quite clear... if a man divorces his wife and marries another, he... HE,,, yes, Felix THE MAN..... commits adultery.

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery...†Matthew 19:9

and just to clarify that Jesus isn't speaking of just women in this passage, He goes on to say, "and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

It really can't get any clearer... a divorced man marrying another woman commits adultery...and, if it's adultery to divorce a wife and marry another... then it's pretty adulterous to marry a wife, when still married to another...

Unless Felix can explain the logic on that one, I'm standing with Jethro.