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(PS: Did you notice that out of the heart of your sub-conscience you stated you "ERROR" on the side of "freedom", not once but TWICE.)

These are some of the biggest issues the church has, and if they keep comming down with an iron fist on things they cant prove christians will not be taken seroiusly. Also when there is no compassion for and allowance for divorce and remarriage your going to have alot of people upset about that, intimate relationships are crutial to human interaction and development and to try to control that and make peoples lives miserable is a travesty. Trying to get an abused spouse to agree that THEY sinned for first filing the paper work is abusurd, none the less to say well it scripture such and such it says you cant divorce if your husband is beating you or your wife is defrauding you, but you can separate and live alone the rest of your days lol.
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Says, who? LOL? Why is separation from a spouse so terrible? Because you can no longer have sex? Domestic abuse is a serious issue, and those cases should be handled via the Holy Spirit and Church discernment and leadership. Some will be prodded by God to stay and others to get divorced. You cannot appeal to such a special circumstance and say that people should get divorced when times get tough. That is the height of error. Please check your heart and you'll take note that you are trampling the God you claim underfoot.

We desperatly need a christian revolution like martin luther, etc. There are some really twisted ideas out there that are not consistant with freedom or the love of God.
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higlife, you, are apart of the problem. You spout error and twisted ideas that are not consistant with freedom or the love of God. In fact, you carry contempt and disdain for the statues of God! Can you not see? Sex is more important to you than God. We certainly need a Christian revolution to remove sin and evil from the Church. We need Christians to stand up to carnal Christians and proclaim the truth of God's Word. We need more churches who are willing to expunge sin from their churches instead of ignoring the issues. We need more Christians to abide by God's Word and show the unbelieving world just why it is lost and suffering. The church does not need lost and worldly Christians making the problem worse.

Is sex really better than being lost for eternity?

highlife said:
Some people are 4X divorcee's and Jesus did not take the harsh stance that the modern church does. The woman at the well was a multipule time divorcee and Jesus did not come down on her like a lead brick like some christians do, she was not even asked to repent or that her situation was even sin, the whole event was a non issue yet we have christians having "talks" and exchanging harsh words over the same situations. I see christian leadership that is willing to destroy relationships and go way over the top for some thing that Jesus did not even see the need to declair as sin. Pretty stark difference, I think I will follow Jesus rather than some of the modern christians.
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You are not following Jesus. You are being disingenuous with Him. You are a modern Christian. I was not condemning those divorced 4x's that is between them and God. I was asking you, that if you had lived with and had sex with 4 different girlfriends and never got a "piece of paper" or had a ceremony, would you consider yourself a divorc`e?

It really is sad though, to have so many broken relationship and harsh words exchanged over such an issue.
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It is really sad to live in open rebellion to God because one loves sex more than Him. :gah

My original question was I just wanted our church leadership to prove what they were saying and they cant and neither can you, but there is no shortage of harshness. It is really very sad.
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We have proved over and over what a Biblical marriage is and you absolutely refuse to listen. What's left, but to simply rebuke you with kindness, and remind you that if you continue on in sin you will be lost? It would be harsh and unkind to refrain from warning you of the destruction you are headed for if you do not repent. That is pure cruelty.

God bless you, highlife, I hope to see called up to Lord when He returns!
 
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I should remind that I am married, such hard talk is still not biblical truth what I have heard is a lot of opinion with no SOLID evidence sorry
 
highlife said:
so they could better justify their guilt trips and control tactics
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Highlife, please be honest. Does this sum up how you view Christianity? Your posture on key issues seems to say that it does. You've also said you refuse to give offerings. You feel you're covered by the taxes you pay to the government, which in turn rolls out programs for the needy, therefore you refuse to pay a dime more than you pay in taxes. This is off-topic, so I won't go into it, except to say I highly doubt you hold your paycheck out to the government with an open hand to the Lord.

All these things should be a natural response a Christian has when he know Christ has Redeemed him. We seek the heart of the Lord and find joy in pleasing Him. If you're feeling suffocated by Christianity, chances are you've never come face-to-Face with the Love of Christ. These are things that pour out from us, as though we have no other choice.
 
highlife said:
I should remind that I am married, such hard talk is still not biblical truth what I have heard is a lot of opinion with no SOLID evidence sorry
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You are just refusing evidences that do not suit your personal preference which is "paper".. Chicken and cat are also never mentioned in the Bible but I'm sure you have no problem having them as part of your life.... :biggrin


I don't entirely blame you for having this mindset.. The women who allow their men to be pressurized and manipulated into having sex before marriage are largely to be blamed too. A Godly woman who loves the Lord with all her heart, mind, soul and strength will never allow herself to be violated before marriage, and a woman who wilfully and persistently engages in marital sex just to please her man or herself is not a true born-again believer !

If you have a daughter some day, will you honestly allow her to live a life of pre-marital sex even if the couple insist that they will eventually get married ?

If you will, how long will you tolerate their lifestyle of pre-marital sex ? :chin
 
Tina said:
You are just refusing evidences that do not suit your personal preference which is "paper".. Chicken and cat are also never mentioned in the Bible but I'm sure you have no problem having them as part of your life.... :biggrin


I don't entirely blame you for having this mindset.. The women who allow their men to be pressurized and manipulated into having sex before marriage are largely to be blamed too. A Godly woman who loves the Lord with all her heart, mind, soul and strength will never allow herself to be violated before marriage, and a woman who wilfully and persistently engages in marital sex just to please her man or herself is not a true born-again believer !

If you have a daughter some day, will you honestly allow her to live a life of pre-marital sex even if the couple insist that they will eventually get married ?

If you will, how long will you tolerate their lifestyle of pre-marital sex ? :chin
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Did you mean persistently engages in per-marital sex?
 
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Highlife, please be honest. Does this sum up how you view Christianity? Your posture on key issues seems to say that it does. You've also said you refuse to give offerings. You feel you're covered by the taxes you pay to the government, which in turn rolls out programs for the needy, therefore you refuse to pay a dime more than you pay in taxes. This is off-topic, so I won't go into it, except to say I highly doubt you hold your paycheck out to the government with an open hand to the Lord.

All these things should be a natural response a Christian has when he know Christ has Redeemed him. We seek the heart of the Lord and find joy in pleasing Him. If you're feeling suffocated by Christianity, chances are you've never come face-to-Face with the Love of Christ. These are things that pour out from us, as though we have no other choice.
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Every thing was pretty good until people started getting over zealous about all this stuff, I have read through most of the bible and the bible itself never spike to me as harshly as individual Christians I'm not throwing away my salvation because some people are over zealous as only he can judge
 
Tina said:
Does it matter if it was persistently or occasionally? Pre-marital sex is pre-marital sex ....

Ok, what if it was persistent and you knew about it ?
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No I mean I think you mid typed something and it made your post confusing but im not sure
 
Why isent it ok to call this a disputable matter and call it a day?

That is going to be the talk that I have with my pastor since I will never convince him of my way of thinking the least he can do is acnologe that I have a different view point on it and do believe the law of the land scripture should not be used as a crutch to push agendas that are way out of that scriptures context.


I would think that at the very least they could respect me enough to agree to disagree? What value does it add to quaral over it?
 
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