Sabbath Day business

[Classik]

Should a Christian for whatever reason decide to do business (monetary) on Sundays or on the Sabbath days?

 

[Boidae21]

Should a Christian for whatever reason decide to do business (monetary) on Sundays or on the Sabbath days?

Many times as either a photographer or pet sitter I am required to work both days. Especially with pet sitting because often times the extent of the clients' vacation includes the weekends or they need someone for just the weekend. With photography, since it is part time and there is no set schedule, in order to make a paycheck working on the weekends is needed.

I have a photography assignment tomorrow morning to do.

 

[Obadiah]

Lives depend on some professions and if the people in those professions didn't work on Sunday other's lives would be lost. I don't believe God intended for us to honor certain days to that extent.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Should a Christian for whatever reason decide to do business (monetary) on Sundays or on the Sabbath days?

Why not?
It's like any other day.

 

[winepress]

I rest in Jesus Christ 24/7. Sometimes I buy groceries then too

 

[jocor]

Should a Christian for whatever reason decide to do business (monetary) on Sundays or on the Sabbath days?

A person is free to conduct business all they want on Sunday since that is not the 7th day spoken of in the fourth commandment. Conducting business on the true 7th day (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) is not permitted unless it is necessary in order to preserve life or health.

 

[reba]

jocor not a snark question ... where do the scriptures say " unless it is necessary in order to preserve life or health"
I understand this is same point Jesus made... Luk_14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

 

[iLOVE]

I rest in Jesus Christ 24/7. Sometimes I buy groceries then too

Amen! Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath 24/7!

 

[jocor]

jocor not a snark question ... where do the scriptures say " unless it is necessary in order to preserve life or health"
I understand this is same point Jesus made... Luk_14:5 And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

The principle is derived from Lev 18:5:

Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am YHWH.
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The verse does not say, "he shall die in them." The principle is applied to all the commandments, not just the Sabbath. We can also glean that principle from Matthew 12:3-4 where David ate the showbread out of hunger and was guiltless and from Luke 14:5 as you stated.

Determining what constitutes a life threatening or health threatening situation is the difficult part. For the believer, the Holy Spirit's leading is crucial. We cannot allow our flesh to make such a ruling.

 

[jocor]

Amen! Lord Jesus Christ is our Sabbath 24/7!

What verse teaches us that?

 

[winepress]

Thank you for asking Yeshua. Having come out of a line of Jews, this topic is especially close to me, now that I understand it.

If you have entered in to the land of rest in full belief and full faith, then you are in the Rest of the Lord
While here, I do righteousness

(Mat 12:12) ...--so that it is lawful on the sabbaths to do good.'

Here's just a few places where we can comprehend what the O.T. shadow type of the seventh day Sabbath pointed forward to mean in it's glory that we now enjoy always;

(Mar 2:24) And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
(Mar 2:25) And he said unto them, Did ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
(Mar 2:26) How he entered into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which it is not lawful to eat save for the priests, and gave also to them that were with him?
(Mar 2:27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(Mar 2:28) so that the Son of man is lord even of the Sabbath.

We aren't to be as those who "didn't believe";

(Heb 3:7) Wherefore, even as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye shall hear his voice,
(Heb 3:8) Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, Like as in the day of the temptation in the wilderness,
(Heb 3:9) Wherewith your fathers tempted me by proving me, And saw my works forty years.
(Heb 3:10) Wherefore I was displeased with this generation, And said, They do alway err in their heart: But they did not know my ways;
(Heb 3:11) As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
(Heb 3:12) Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God:
(Heb 3:13) but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called Today; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin:

The writer to the Hebrews makes the crucial point, that this has to do with us Christians, and to look at that example of the non-believers;

(Heb 3:14) for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end:

He pretty much says it again;

(Heb 3:16) For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses?
(Heb 3:17) And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
(Heb 3:18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient?
(Heb 3:19) And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

He goes into even more in the next chapter, explaining how that we are in that Sabbabth Rest now, because the "type" back then wasn't the "fulfillment", but in light of that past "provocation", that Rest is ours now, as long as we don't "unbelieve";

(Heb 4:1) Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.

This is already a long post... I could go on and on about it, because I love the Sabbath Rest in the Holy Land in Christ. But there is enough there to whet one's whistle if one wanted to continue looking at how we now Remain in that Rest through Faith in Christ Jesus, Israel's Messiah, our Lord and our God!

(Heb 4:3) For we which have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said...
(Heb 4:9) there doth remain, then, a sabbath rest to the people of God,
(Heb 4:10) for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own.

Though the seventh day "type" is abolished, this True Sabbath Remains and is Eternal and is so much more Glorious. It isn't just "one day" we keep holy now. It is Every Day! In fact, we are Eternally in "The Great and Notable Day of the Lord"! (Acts 2)

Fun huh

 

[jocor]

Thank you for asking Yeshua.

I am not "Yeshua". I am jocor.

Having come out of a line of Jews, this topic is especially close to me, now that I understand it.

If you have entered in to the land of rest in full belief and full faith, then you are in the Rest of the Lord
While here, I do righteousness

(Mat 12:12) ...--so that it is lawful on the sabbaths to do good.'

Here's just a few places where we can comprehend what the O.T. shadow type of the seventh day Sabbath pointed forward to mean in it's glory that we now enjoy always;

(Mar 2:24) And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
(Mar 2:25) And he said unto them, Did ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
(Mar 2:26) How he entered into the house of God when Abiathar was high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which it is not lawful to eat save for the priests, and gave also to them that were with him?
(Mar 2:27) And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
(Mar 2:28) so that the Son of man is lord even of the Sabbath.

This passage says nothing about the Sabbath being abolished. Yeshua and his disciples continued to obey the Sabbath command long after this account. What we are seeing here is Yeshua justifying the disciples' plucking of grain on the Sabbath against the unjust accusation of the overly legalistic Jews who imposed their own burdensome laws upon the Sabbath.

We aren't to be as those who "didn't believe";

(Heb 3:7) Wherefore, even as the Holy Ghost saith, Today if ye shall hear his voice,
(Heb 3:8) Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, Like as in the day of the temptation in the wilderness,
(Heb 3:9) Wherewith your fathers tempted me by proving me, And saw my works forty years.
(Heb 3:10) Wherefore I was displeased with this generation, And said, They do alway err in their heart: But they did not know my ways;
(Heb 3:11) As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
(Heb 3:12) Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God:
(Heb 3:13) but exhort one another day by day, so long as it is called Today; lest any one of you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin:

The writer to the Hebrews makes the crucial point, that this has to do with us Christians, and to look at that example of the non-believers;

(Heb 3:14) for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end:

He pretty much says it again;

(Heb 3:16) For who, when they heard, did provoke? nay, did not all they that came out of Egypt by Moses?
(Heb 3:17) And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
(Heb 3:18) And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient?
(Heb 3:19) And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

He goes into even more in the next chapter, explaining how that we are in that Sabbabth Rest now, because the "type" back then wasn't the "fulfillment", but in light of that past "provocation", that Rest is ours now, as long as we don't "unbelieve";

(Heb 4:1) Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it.

This is already a long post... I could go on and on about it, because I love the Sabbath Rest in the Holy Land in Christ. But there is enough there to whet one's whistle if one wanted to continue looking at how we now Remain in that Rest through Faith in Christ Jesus, Israel's Messiah, our Lord and our God!

(Heb 4:3) For we which have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said...
(Heb 4:9) there doth remain, then, a sabbath rest to the people of God,
(Heb 4:10) for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own.

Though the seventh day "type" is abolished, this True Sabbath Remains and is Eternal and is so much more Glorious. It isn't just "one day" we keep holy now. It is Every Day! In fact, we are Eternally in "The Great and Notable Day of the Lord"! (Acts 2)

Fun huh

The original account from which Hebrews 4:1-11 is taken is found in Numbers 14:22-24, 28-30, and Deuteronomy 1:30-40. In both passages it was the "land" (of Canaan) that was being withheld because of unbelief. The children of Israel were on their wilderness journey to the "promised land," which was a type of the "rest" to come. Joshua brought them into that land or the typical "rest" (Josh 1:13-15; 21:44; 22:4), yet the Almighty again spoke through David concerning this greater rest. In Psalm 95:11, David uses the phrase "my rest" instead of "the land" as in the original promise. Why? Because "the land" was only a type of the future rest to come when true believers enter into the true promised land, the "heavenly country" that the patriarchs of old saw from afar (Heb 11:13-16).

We are currently on our wilderness journey as well. We are heading for the heavenly country promised us. Just as the Israelites continued keeping the Sabbath rest throughout their wilderness journey, so, too, must we continue to keep the Sabbath rest. In fact, the Israelites continued to keep the Sabbath even after entering the typical promised land of Canaan. We, too, will continue in the Sabbath rest as prophesied by Isaiah (66:22,23) even after the new heaven and new earth come.

If the common Christian view of Heb 4:10 is correct, that the Sabbath is abolished because we have entered the true rest, then, to be consistent, it must also be true that all work is abolished since we have ceased from our own works. In other words, if the physical rest is done away with, then the physical labor should also be done away with. However, since believers continue to do physical labors like farming, construction work, etc., they should also continue to rest from such labor as it is written. Additionally, the Sabbath rest is commanded for the sake of animals as well. Is it now permissible for farmers to work their animals seven days a week? Do animals somehow enter into the true rest as well?

Hebrews 4:11 talks about laboring to enter into that rest. It is not something we automatically receive upon accepting Yeshua as our Savior except by faith. That rest will become a reality upon our resurrection unto eternal life. That is why we see the saints of Revelation 14:12,13 laboring right up until death. It is only after death that the ultimate rest can literally begin. Note, also, that those saints "keep the commandments of God" (KJV), among which is the Sabbath.

We certainly can find rest for our souls in Messiah (Matthew 11:28,29), but he does not give our bodies rest, nor does he give animals rest. That kind of rest is only available through the Sabbath rest. Jeremiah 6:16 reads, "Thus saith Yahweh, 'Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.' But they said, 'We will not walk therein.' " The "old paths" and the "good way" that provides a "rest for the soul" includes the keeping of Yahweh's Sabbaths. Notice the similar wording found in Isaiah 58:12,13. The rest we have in Yeshua is only a foretaste of the rest to come at his second coming when we will be dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son in the glorious "heavenly country".[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[winepress]

I am not "Yeshua". I am jocor.


This passage says nothing about the Sabbath being abolished. Yeshua and his disciples continued to obey the Sabbath command long after this account. What we are seeing here is Yeshua justifying the disciples' plucking of grain on the Sabbath against the unjust accusation of the overly legalistic Jews who imposed their own burdensome laws upon the Sabbath.



The original account from which Hebrews 4:1-11 is taken is found in Numbers 14:22-24, 28-30, and Deuteronomy 1:30-40. In both passages it was the "land" (of Canaan) that was being withheld because of unbelief. The children of Israel were on their wilderness journey to the "promised land," which was a type of the "rest" to come. Joshua brought them into that land or the typical "rest" (Josh 1:13-15; 21:44; 22:4), yet the Almighty again spoke through David concerning this greater rest. In Psalm 95:11, David uses the phrase "my rest" instead of "the land" as in the original promise. Why? Because "the land" was only a type of the future rest to come when true believers enter into the true promised land, the "heavenly country" that the patriarchs of old saw from afar (Heb 11:13-16).

We are currently on our wilderness journey as well. We are heading for the heavenly country promised us. Just as the Israelites continued keeping the Sabbath rest throughout their wilderness journey, so, too, must we continue to keep the Sabbath rest. In fact, the Israelites continued to keep the Sabbath even after entering the typical promised land of Canaan. We, too, will continue in the Sabbath rest as prophesied by Isaiah (66:22,23) even after the new heaven and new earth come.

If the common Christian view of Heb 4:10 is correct, that the Sabbath is abolished because we have entered the true rest, then, to be consistent, it must also be true that all work is abolished since we have ceased from our own works. In other words, if the physical rest is done away with, then the physical labor should also be done away with. However, since believers continue to do physical labors like farming, construction work, etc., they should also continue to rest from such labor as it is written. Additionally, the Sabbath rest is commanded for the sake of animals as well. Is it now permissible for farmers to work their animals seven days a week? Do animals somehow enter into the true rest as well?

Hebrews 4:11 talks about laboring to enter into that rest. It is not something we automatically receive upon accepting Yeshua as our Savior except by faith. That rest will become a reality upon our resurrection unto eternal life. That is why we see the saints of Revelation 14:12,13 laboring right up until death. It is only after death that the ultimate rest can literally begin. Note, also, that those saints "keep the commandments of God" (KJV), among which is the Sabbath.

We certainly can find rest for our souls in Messiah (Matthew 11:28,29), but he does not give our bodies rest, nor does he give animals rest. That kind of rest is only available through the Sabbath rest. Jeremiah 6:16 reads, "Thus saith Yahweh, 'Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.' But they said, 'We will not walk therein.' " The "old paths" and the "good way" that provides a "rest for the soul" includes the keeping of Yahweh's Sabbaths. Notice the similar wording found in Isaiah 58:12,13. The rest we have in Yeshua is only a foretaste of the rest to come at his second coming when we will be dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son in the glorious "heavenly country".

[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I used to think all that too of course. And if your "rest" is only one day a week for whatever reason you feel you need to that's great! Who am I to interfere with your choice. I won't be the one to throw rocks at you when you break that old style Sabbath. Which you will of course, if you believe we are still under the Law of Moses.
In Christ, as I pointed out, the fulfillment is eternal. It is quite plain in Hebrews. I could never think to go back to that old washed out wineskin of a practice any more than I would reconsider butchering out a lamb on an altar in some building in the middle east. I was just answering your question from Holy Writ is all. My answer is fact and it is perfect and is of a much higher authority than Moses, or anyone else. No argument though. Just keep studying it out my friend
Peace!

 

[Edward]

[/QUOTE]

I used to think all that too of course. And if your "rest" is only one day a week for whatever reason you feel you need to that's great! Who am I to interfere with your choice. I won't be the one to throw rocks at you when you break that old style Sabbath. Which you will of course, if you believe we are still under the Law of Moses.
In Christ, as I pointed out, the fulfillment is eternal. It is quite plain in Hebrews. I could never think to go back to that old washed out wineskin of a practice any more than I would reconsider butchering out a lamb on an altar in some building in the middle east. I was just answering your question from Holy Writ is all. My answer is fact and it is perfect and is of a much higher authority than Moses, or anyone else. No argument though. Just keep studying it out my friend
Peace![/QUOTE]

One can hold the Sabbath day out of respect for the Lord instead of having to recognize Moses law. I try too, nevertheless, sometimes the ox falls into a pit on Saturday (so to speak) and at those times, we shouldn't beat ourselves up over it but rather go with the flow. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

 

[jocor]

I used to think all that too of course. And if your "rest" is only one day a week for whatever reason you feel you need to that's great! Who am I to interfere with your choice. I won't be the one to throw rocks at you when you break that old style Sabbath. Which you will of course, if you believe we are still under the Law of Moses.
In Christ, as I pointed out, the fulfillment is eternal. It is quite plain in Hebrews. I could never think to go back to that old washed out wineskin of a practice any more than I would reconsider butchering out a lamb on an altar in some building in the middle east. I was just answering your question from Holy Writ is all. My answer is fact and it is perfect and is of a much higher authority than Moses, or anyone else. No argument though. Just keep studying it out my friend
Peace!

I spiritually "rest" in Yeshua 24/7 just as you. I also physically rest on the 7th day as commanded (not by Moses, but by Yeshua's Father, YHWH, the highest authority there is. You will keep the 7th day Sabbath as well in the new earth (Isa 66:22-23). You might as well start now.

 

[Tony Hyman]

I believe Paul is leaving it to the conscience of the individual "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"(Rom.14:5)One would have to decide what is an emergency and what isn't in terms of Christ's " ass or ox falling into a pit."Lk 14: 5 as already stated by Reba above.

 

[jocor]

I believe Paul is leaving it to the conscience of the individual "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind"(Rom.14:5)One would have to decide what is an emergency and what isn't in terms of Christ's " ass or ox falling into a pit."Lk 14: 5 as already stated by Reba above.

First, the word "alike" is in italics because it is not in the Greek. There is nothing wrong with esteeming every day, after all, YHWH made them all. If we choose to worship Him seven days a week, so be it and halleluyah! However, that does not change the fact that as we worship Him every day we must also rest from labor on one day, the Sabbath. YHWH esteemed the 7th day of the week above the others. That is why He sanctified it and blessed it (Gen 2:3). No other day was set apart and no other day has YHWH's blessing upon it. No man has the authority to take away the sanctity or the blessing of the Sabbath and turn it into something common or even profane by calling it an "old washed out wineskin of a practice ".

It is a mistake to read the Sabbath into this verse. Nowhere is the Sabbath mentioned. Nor can we read any of Yahweh's annual sabbaths or feast days into this verse. There were many other "days" that the Jews highly esteemed besides the Sabbath and feasts. For example, most Jews at that time fasted twice a week (Luke 18:12 and Talmudic writings). The Jews also kept fast days throughout the year as mentioned in Zech 8:19. Then there was the Feast of Purim (Esther 9:28), and the Feast of Dedication or Hanukkah (John 10:22).

The Jewish converts would have probably continued esteeming these days whereas the Gentile converts would probably not, especially since they were not commanded by Yahweh to be kept. However, all men knew the Sabbath was commanded and so there was no question about its observance as seen in such verses as Acts 18:4 and Acts 13:42-44; 14:1.

 

[Sparkey]

What does it mean,

Isaiah 28:11–12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, to whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”...



It sounds to me that we are being given a definition. Why would He do this? Could it be because we need to have a definition maybe? He said, "This is the rest," and He said, "This is the refreshing," so now I wonder what He was talking about.

Which scholar (so called) will answer?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

What does it mean,

Isaiah 28:11–12
For with stammering lips and another tongue He will speak to this people, to whom He said, “This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,” and, “This is the refreshing”...



It sounds to me that we are being given a definition. Why would He do this? Could it be because we need to have a definition maybe? He said, "This is the rest," and He said, "This is the refreshing," so now I wonder what He was talking about.

Which scholar (so called) will answer?

This speaks of spiritual rest in God and the self will to do just that.
As in Isaiah 30:15;
"On repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength".
This says to return to the Lord for spiritual rest, in quietness for our salvation.
What God wants is for us to turn to him and rest in his presence as this is our salvation.

 

[Sparkey]

Thanks for the try, Rollo. I don't follow what you mean by, "... and the self will to do just that."
Where did that come from, please?

Yes, we are by definition speaking of Spiritual Rest in God ... I'm with you so far because that much is obvious. But I notice that you missed the "stammering lips" portion which is very significant, is it not? Was that on purpose? Would you care to agree that it at least the Scripture quoted does sound like a definition?

Here is what it sounds like (to me): "this IS that." That's a formula. The context is speaking with stammering lips, right? Then comes the formula, "this IS that," or more specifically, "this IS the rest..." and again, "this IS the refreshing..."

I don't see your thought "and the self will to do just that" in the text. Your explanation contains the ongoing problem of the antecedent... what do you mean, specifically, "to do just that". To do just what, please? It sounds like you mean God is giving us the self will to REST or at least to enter into His rest??? I so don't see that in the text. Are you certain you do?

There is a Scripture that comes to mind and what I am hearing from you sound like you know that God will work in us both the will and the way. Is that what your trying to bring? It can be found in Philippians, chapter 2 but I quoted Isaiah, chapter 28.

To reiterate the two questions:

1. Do you agree that the Scripture sounds like a definition?
2. Did you mean to skip the significance of "stammering lips" completely and on purpose or was that just oversight?

Thanks in advance for your next attempt! I was hoping that somebody here might want to explain the Isa 28 verse in light of their belief about 7th Day Rest. The 2 Questions APPLY to all who care to answer. Other scholars are welcome!