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Same Sex Marriage Poll

Should Same Sex Marriages Be Legal???

  • 1. Same-sex marriages should NOT be legalized. Marriage is for a man and a woman only.

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  • 3. Support same sex marriages with the same legal rights as heterosexuals marriages.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4. Undecided/Not sure.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5. Other (Please specify)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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antitox

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#21
Lots of interesting questions as well as thoughts on this. In reference to the issue of allowing the homo lifestyle with respect to civil law, I don't think it should have the blessing of the state because it is not under the blessing of God, and God instituted the governing authorities.
It is the Christian's responsibility to press the state to uphold godly laws and only sanction those which are in line with the boundaries God has given for morality.
Consider Proverbs 25:26 "Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."
 
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John the Baptist

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#22
antitox said:
Lots of interesting questions as well as thoughts on this. In reference to the issue of allowing the homo lifestyle with respect to civil law, I don't think it should have the blessing of the state because it is not under the blessing of God, and God instituted the governing authorities.
It is the Christian's responsibility to press the state to uphold godly laws and only sanction those which are in line with the boundaries God has given for morality.
Consider Proverbs 25:26 "Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked."
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That is why I vote republican by 'secret' ballot. Don't tell anyone OK? :fadein:
---John
 
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giftsbymatthew

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#23
NO. NO. NO

Anything that goes against What the Bible says should not be allowed. No compromises allowed. God does not say oh sin is bad, but this is ok and thats ok some of the time. If it is a sin we should flee from it and persue Godliness. As a believer, I wholly support the Bible, and am 100% against anything that is contrary to the word of God. Never compromise your belief just because it is "none of our buisness." It is our buisness when this is being promoted to our children as ok.
 
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John the Baptist

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#24
Re: NO. NO. NO

giftsbymatthew said:
Anything that goes against What the Bible says should not be allowed. No compromises allowed. God does not say oh sin is bad, but this is ok and thats ok some of the time. If it is a sin we should flee from it and persue Godliness. As a believer, I wholly support the Bible, and am 100% against anything that is contrary to the word of God. Never compromise your belief just because it is "none of our buisness." It is our buisness when this is being promoted to our children as ok.
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If one could have serious discussion's about this to the point of God's Supreme Rule & Caesar 'conditional' responsibility? Then, one might take time to discuss it.

But, it is such a [documented] evil, that most professed Christians & nonchristians would want to pass a constitutional amendment for its stoppage. And this will once again set the last precedent to follow for abanding religous liberty. Yes, forced Sunday worship.

Let me be clear. No constitutional amendment is needed for church to have Caesar enforce laws that are on the books. If they would do so! But, it is not only Caesar that is caught up in this moral decay & sexual perversion. :crying:

See Rev. 17:5 for even a worse state of 'Spiritual' affairs! No?? Well then read what Christ Himself reports in verse 15 of Matt. 10 as Inspired Truth!

So what is the way out? Individual cross bearing! Phil. 4:13 & 2 Cor. 12:9.
And as seen first in Jer. 11-20 & finally Rev. 18:4. (for some only, huh?)

---John

PS: But what will or will not 'deceive the very elect if it were possible'? Why is it not possible, is the bottom line question to answer? MOST ARE ALREADY DECEIVED!
 
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#25
saved said:
Not only should homosexual mariage be against the law, but homosexuality should be against the law with strict penalities as we once had.
Homosexuality against the law? I couldn't agree LESS.
Why dontcha bring back the guillotine while you're at it?
 
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#26
i would like to point out that all of you have missed the point of sin!!! we're not supposed to be focused on who's sinning and who's not... because then the focus isn't on God. We're not supposed to take matters into our own hands and force others not to sin either... for we are all sinners. all of us... in everyway shape and form. therefore, we should all just kill ourselves in the name of God, because we'd be doing His work by ridding the world of sin. obviously that's sarcasm... but you get my point.
Christ has died for all of our sins... the ones we have committed and the ones we haven't yet. and we've been forgiven of all of them. He died for our sins so that we may be able to have a relationship with God if we so choose... the closer you are with God, the less sins you'll commit. ...it's just natural to want to live holy when you're in a close walk with the Lord... the sins that you used to commit or used to not be able to live without suddenly just disappear. that is on you. God gave us all the choice... so we must also give them a choice. He didn't say, "i'm gonna let them choose, but you must force them to choose me..." it doesn't work that way. to tell someone they can't do something will just piss them off and push them further away. so don't be so self-righteous, because that's how most of you are sounding like: "i'm a Christian, so i must force my beliefs on other people in order to save them" yeah right... who gave you the job of saving them? your job is to love them, that's it. nothing else. love them, and help them... not make decisions for them or make them do something they don't want to do. pray for them. that is your only job as a human... love them as Christ did. nothing else. IT IS GOD'S JOB to do the rest. Christ did not put homosexuals in jail. Christ did not keep them from doing what they wanted. He loved them... that love alone is enough to turn someone from their sins.
soddom and gomorrah (sp?)- yeah... see where you think you're going here... but remember- man did not burn that city to the ground- GOD DID! let Him be the Judge.
 
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Homeskillet

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#27
Steve said:
saved said:
Not only should homosexual mariage be against the law, but homosexuality should be against the law with strict penalities as we once had.
Homosexuality against the law? I couldn't agree LESS.
Why dontcha bring back the guillotine while you're at it?
cubedbee said:
I think we should imprison non-Christians and torture them into conversion like we once did.
Good answers guys....priceless!

To answer the question....I don't think gay couples should be able to legally marry. But to make homosexuality in and of itself illegal would be the same as if we were to make lying illegal. Both are sins. I'm so sick of Christians trying to make homosexuals worse off than any one of us. We all sin. What makes our sins less evil than homosexuality?
 
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#28
To answer the question....I don't think gay couples should be able to legally marry. But to make homosexuality in and of itself illegal would be the same as if we were to make lying illegal. Both are sins. I'm so sick of Christians trying to make homosexuals worse off than any one of us. We all sin. What makes our sins less evil than homosexuality?
exactly!
 
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saved

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#29
Homeskillet said:
Steve said:
saved said:
Not only should homosexual mariage be against the law, but homosexuality should be against the law with strict penalities as we once had.
Homosexuality against the law? I couldn't agree LESS.
Why dontcha bring back the guillotine while you're at it?
cubedbee said:
I think we should imprison non-Christians and torture them into conversion like we once did.
Good answers guys....priceless!

To answer the question....I don't think gay couples should be able to legally marry. But to make homosexuality in and of itself illegal would be the same as if we were to make lying illegal. Both are sins. I'm so sick of Christians trying to make homosexuals worse off than any one of us. We all sin. What makes our sins less evil than homosexuality?
Steve
I am sure that you are not alone. A lot of people are sick of the ways of God and prove it by the choices they make and the standards they set. Those who want to follow the Lord follow His standards as well, even in the laws of the land for morality.
 
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we should also make masturbating illegal... and some "curse" words... how about over eating? that should be made illegal... what about the people who are born with both sex organs, wouldn't they be an abomination of God? should we kill them? they have both organs, so they're male and female... does that mean they can't marry, because either way, they're marrying the same sex? would that make that person a homosexual? um... what about driving cars.. that puts people's lives in danger- that should be made illegal too. but they've found a balance w/ that one... you can drive legally within boundaries... why not treat homosexuality the same way? man, here's a few more- how about we just make all sin illegal. all of it. if it's a sin, you cannot do it for you will face jail time. there we go- that should clear up alot of space for those who don't sin... oh wait. that means there'd be no one left free... hmm... well- how about this world being our "prison" for having sin? ever think about that? we are paying for our sins now. so, how do you determine which sins should be illegal? how about if it includes a victim other than yourself. like, murder, rape... certain levels of violence. yeah.. that makes sense.. now, where are the victims in homosexuality? the person who is the homosexual? well, that's his decision to make- not ours.
 
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saved

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true Christians want what God wants. If He made those things illegal then we will seek to follow His ways. The false and ungodly will not and will be offended by such a suggestion. They do not want His law now and would not have wanted it before the Lord came. True believers love His law.

Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.


Psa 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.


Psa 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.


Psa 1:4 The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.


Psa 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.


Psa 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
 
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cubedbee

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#32
saved,

Where do you draw the line between sins that should be made illegal and those that shouldn't? If every sin was made illegal, we would all be in jail. I think the line should be drawn between sins against others and sins against self. Yes, we must maintain law and order to protect ourselves from each other. However, in personal matters, we should refrain from sin because we love God, not because we are afraid of being punished by the government.

Furthermore, why must you always insinuate that those who disagree with you aren't true Christians? Everyone in this discussion believes that God has given us his Law and that we should strive to follow it. The point of disagreement is whether or not those who don't choose to follow God should be forced to follow the Law.

I reiterate my earlier question to you. Why would God want us to force morality upon nonbelievers without saving their souls? If it is really a good thing for us to make every sin illegal, wouldn't it be infinitely better if we made being a non-Christian illegal and jailed people until they were converted?
 
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saved

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cubedbee said:
saved,

Where do you draw the line between sins that should be made illegal and those that shouldn't? If every sin was made illegal, we would all be in jail. I think the line should be drawn at sins that hurt other people.

Furthermore, why must you always insinuate that those who disagree with you aren't true Christians? Everyone in this discussion believes that God has given us his Law and that we should strive to follow it. The point of disagreement is whether or not those who don't choose to follow God should be forced to follow the Law.

I reiterate my earlier question to you. Why would God want us to force morality upon nonbelievers without saving their souls? If it is really a good thing for us to make every sin illegal, wouldn't it be infinitely better if we made being a non-Christian illegal and jailed people until they were converted?
My line is God's line. As to your next question;
"why must you always insinuate that those who disagree with you aren't true Christians?"

I don't. You have twisted something I have said. I have stated that if we do not agree with God we are not Christians.

Your next question,
"Why would God want us to force morality upon nonbelievers without saving their souls? If it is really a good thing for us to make every sin illegal, wouldn't it be infinitely better if we made being a non-Christian illegal and jailed people until they were converted?"

The last part first. Yes we ahould make not being a Chrstian against the law IF God has ordained it, but He has not. There is no such suggestion r command in the bible. He did require people who come into Israel to obey all His laws even if they remain lost and we need to follow that same thing here, but He never commanded them to become saved. it has always been a choice however with eternal consiquences if refused. Now for the rest.

I did not answer you directly on this because you did not answer me. However I will answer it now. If I hold your phylosphy then we need not make any laws for the lost because they are not saved. The fact that someone murders our children sells drugs to them or just uses drugs and tempts them should not be made against the law because they are not saved if I follow what you are trying to suggest. The sin of homosexuality is no less damaging to society then murder, drugs prostitution, by the way prostitution is done behind closed doors just like homosexuality. One takes a life literally and the other damages the lives spiritually when allowed in society even if we do not follow in their ways. If you do not believe it then I suggesat that you look at the church and how reprobate it has become. Just look at the devorce rate in the church for one thing. So as Christians we make the same laws or seek to make them, as God has set down for society so that we have a society that is safe and blessed by God. Remember God's laws were not just for the religious. They for for the society. When Israel took the same position as you are suggestiong and stopped inforcing God's laws on their society they fell. We will also if we continue to floow what you and some here are suggesting. God will simply remove His hand from us and replace it with judgement and I believe He has already begun.
When God gave His laws He did not exclued the lost. Read this;
Lev 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit [any] of these abominations; [neither] any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
We may have no control over other nations, but for those who live here we as Christians are to make laws that agree with what God has set down.
Pro 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin [is] a reproach to any people.
If we do not then we will be held responsible for allowing sin.
To be honest I do not believe that anyone who stands against making laws of righteousness that God has already ordained does so because they feel the lost have rights. They stand against those laws because they have sin in their lives and do not want to have to be held accountable themselves.
 
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antitox

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#34
All,

I certainly do not believe in making homo marriage illegal because we're not legislating morality, but it shouldn't be legal with regards to having the recognition of the state. If you support its "legalization" or recognition by the state, then you support the practice of it. Hetero marriage receives state recognition because it is a publicly sanctioned union in the eyes of the people and God. So the public has every right to take their stances on their sides of the issue because they are the ones that will either bless it or reject it, and the law will then follow.
Again, I'm not for making this illegal, but not blessed by the state.
After all, people are going to make their own choices.
 
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saved

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#35
antitox
Making moral laws is not to legislate morality. Making moral laws is to honor God and in doing so find protection from those who are immoral. You have taken a stand and have made your point.
But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
 
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#36
saved, there is only one law from God. just one that we must all follow to be of God. only one thing can determine a man of God, and a "non-believer"... that is love. that is it. no if's and's or but's about it. love is our only commandment. the rest is for our own good... our own benefit. you want to be a homo, then go ahead- doubt that it will lead to happiness, and will probably keep you from God. if same sex marriages is legalized, i doubt they'll last long. if same sex marriage is legalized, i have a gooooood feeling the same sex divorce rate will be the same. let this problem work itself out. to tell someone they're not allowed to do something isn't loving them. telling someone that they're not allowed to have same sex relations with someone behind closed doors is not loving them... it's condemning them. you will be judged more harshly for condemning someone than you would by loving them... no matter what they're sexual preferance.
you keep talking about "laws"... "laws this, laws that..." but you forget that there was someone in the Bible who hated people who preached the "laws"... His name was Christ Jesus. remember the Pharasees? which raises the questions "well, which 'laws' should we have to keep order?" ...simple. the ones where there is a victim involved. you said:
The sin of homosexuality is no less damaging to society then murder, drugs prostitution, by the way prostitution is done behind closed doors just like homosexuality.
are you kidding? did you read that after you wrote it? YES IT IS less damaging to society. if a man chooses to be with another man... it is HIS choice. HE is choosing such a life, which will keep him from the Father. HE is choosing to take the risk. HE is not endangering anyone but himself... a choice HE is allowed by GOD.
I don't. You have twisted something I have said. I have stated that if we do not agree with God we are not Christians.
I don't even call myself a Christian... I do not refer to myself as a Christian. when someone asks me about my faith, i say i believe in God, and His word. If you don't agree with God, then you've got more to worry about than not being "christian." no one is disagreeing with God here... whatever- my head hurts... "new-pharasees" give me headaches. Jesus called these people hypocrites. remember that?
 
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saved

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#37
atmosphere
that is where you are wrong. We get right with God not when we love Him, but when we come to repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. No amount of love will get us right with Him, but if we have come to Him we will love Him and His commands, all of them.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
 
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#38
law and grace cannot co-exist... if you push the law on people, they become miserable, and filled with guilt. because they can never fill the laws that you or other "christians" talk about. only by grace can we exist. because of Christ who came to do away with the law we are to live by His law, which is love. the other laws won't even be a concern to us, or a temptation because of Christ's love. of course, we all fail at doing what's right all the time, but that's why we have Grace. Grace is undeserved favor from God, because he knows we cannot keep the laws you speak of. There is also "Tender Mercy." Jesus gives this type of mercy. The original Greek translation of "Tender Mercy" is: "Immediate compassionate attention to the suffering that is caused by the result of one's sins." this means, that He gives this Tender Mercy not only because of sins that result from being a part of a deprived world, but it is in response to our own acts of deliberate sin. That is why He died on the Cross. It was because of our deliberate sin that He had to suffer in our place. He didn't suffer because of things that happened around us, or what other people did. He died because we sin. And God put our deliberate sin on His shoulders.
 
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saved

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#39
We are not talking about how to be saved, but how to follow the Lord. Those who love the Lord obey His commands. All of them, not part of them. We do not pick and choose.

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
 
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cubedbee

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#40
An insignificant portion of the population is homosexual. Gays give the number as 10%, most Christians say more like 1 or 2. Gluttony, on the other hand, affects a supermajority of Americans. 60% of us are overweight. There are many more that are gluttonous but lucky enough to have a good metabolism. We seldom eat because we are truly hungry. The portions at any restaurant are vast. Why don't we try making laws against prevalent sins like this, instead of ones only a tiny fraction of us participate in?
 
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