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If school is done right, it exposes the students to a wide variety of topics so one can learn where his/her interests are, what you are strong in, and where you may lack strengths. Most of the time, the answer to these questions comes over time so although you may think so now, Brock, you really don't know the answers to these questions. It is said that the average college student changes his/her major four times before graduating. When my daughter entered college, her plan was to work toward becoming an anesthesiologist. Then it changed to general practitioner, then nurse practitioner, and finally she graduated with a degree in microbiology. Today, she is a hospital lab technician and does still have plans on one day seeking possibly a position as a physician's assistant or working in an antibiotic research lab.

My son, went to college with a goal of becoming a high school general sciences teacher. He has a double major in physics and chemistry with minors in mathematics and computer technology. He then transferred to a teacher's college and picked up his teaching certificate. After all of that when he did his internship he discovered he didn't really like teaching high school. He felt he struggled too much to bring it down to their level. I told him that maybe he should get his masters or PHD and teach at a higher level. Today, he is the central US regional manager for a construction management software company with 50+ employees under his care.

My original aspirations after leaving high school were toward becoming a high school band director. I loved music and my major instrument was the trumpet. After my first year in college I happened to pick up a good paying job working for one of the iron mining companies in northern MN. I got laid off after four years and then spent the next few years bouncing from one low-paying job to another until at 30 years of age I decided to go back to school to learn about electrical and pneumatic system controls for industrial machinery so I could find work in a maintenance role. I got hired out of that school to work in electrical assembly by the company I currently work for, which is a large packaging machinery manufacturer.

Why did I choose that career path? I took an aptitude test and the results revealed that I was strong mathematically and logically but not so strong in reading apprehension and literature. The tech school I was looking at offered the program called "Automated Systems Maintenance" and it sounded interesting so I took a leap of faith. The first year was highly geared toward board level electronics, which meant a lot of mathematics and without my high school education which included subjects like algebra, geometry, and trigonometry I know that I would have struggled through that program. I called up memories from virtually all of those subjects. In fact, I couldn't afford to by a calculator but happened to have a low level solar powered one that did +, -, *, /, and square root functions. It only had the ability to display 8 characters and a lot of our math involved 12 or more characters so I used scientific notation. When my younger classmates saw that, they had no clue how it worked.

The one thing I learned in my life is that if you really want to make something of yourself and get anywhere, you can't just sit on your hands. I began to study and learn about the mechanics of the machinery because I believed and still do believe that in order to be a good electrical technician one needs to have a good understanding of the mechanics of the machine. Whenever I could, I would help the mechanics assemble parts for the machine too because that taught me how to read the drawings and diagrams. That drive got me into the service department as a field service technician. That job sent me all over the US, Canada, Germany, and Korea installing and troubleshooting the equipment.

While serving in that role, I learned about a new product line that we were going to buy and to prepare myself so I wouldn't look foolish to our customers, I took the initiative to learn about that new line of equipment so I could service it for our customers. This added more value to my portfolio. There have been times when I actually helped fix competitor's equipment just to help our customers keep running. I saw that as just plain good public relations.

Because of the well-rounded and thorough understanding I had about the various types of machinery we sold, I built up my value and soon was asked to be our first field service technical adviser helping our service technicians and customers over the phone.

Over time I would get requests to modify the equipment to do different things. We didn't have anyone in field service to design electrical changes and it took too long to get it done through our main core engineering so I would modify the electrical drawings, order the parts, and design the program changes by hand and then send them with the mechanical parts. That started to grow and soon I was taught how to use the CAD system and asked to be our first field service electrical designer.

Today, I and three others work up the proposals for those modifications and other electrical designers are doing the work. Our group now has annual sales topping $6,000,000.00 because I and one other individual wanted to help meet our customers' needs. We do modifications today we would never have dreamed of considering when I got started.

In all my experience, I can tell you one thing without any doubt or hesitation at all. If I didn't have a good education through high school, I would never be where I am today.
 
So, how much of my high school training have I used in real life?

  • Math has obviously served me well.
  • English, writing, and grammar I use in my current position because I have to be able to write clearly and speak well at a high enough level to be sure I am writing up proposals that will meet our customers' needs and give them a feeling of confidence in what we do.
  • Literature proved helpful particularly in my years in electrical design because with my lack of reading comprehension it was difficult enough to read through the user manuals and programming manuals, which I estimate consumed well over 50% of my time. Like anything else, the more you do it, the better you get at it and reading is no different.
  • Wood shop and physical education helped me when I decided to buy our old farm house and remodel the entire thing ourselves. Over the 12 years that I worked on it I accomplished a lot of first-time things including designing and wiring my entire home, barn, and other outbuildings; installing and finishing drywall; designing and installing plumbing; digging under our home to put in a basement; layout and pouring foundation footings; building the cement block foundation for the house.
  • Small engine class made it possible for me to maintain my own farm tractors including engine work as well as rebuilding my Farmall M transmission.
  • Civics (study of government) helped me learn how to negotiate and communicate which serves me well in my current position for sure.
  • My grade and high school training prepared me by giving me the confidence to take on challenges and not get intimidated by hard work and the unknown.
 
The greek word can be both, so using my God given brain ,it's a sin that I can use my mind to learn biology, chemistry,math ,study creation,use it to make men better healthy, fix red tide,

Nothing carnal about that. What is creationism? Uhm that?

To be clear, I am not anti-education. I also respect doctors and their knowledge. But scripture says to not lean upon our own understanding. To pursue knowing God first and foremost. If one did that, then he would not need any earthly education. He would be close enough to God that in any situation whatsoever he could handle it, nay not him but God through him. Whether it be healing, or making a gadget work. Whatever is needed. I feel that if one pursues a college education that...there's almost no way that he could come out of it with any faith in God.

The Lord has helped me at work, when I walked up to a unit that I was unfamiliar with. I opened that control panel on a roof top unit...and it had a bank of computer boards on it! Like 15 or 20 of them. And it was an old unit that had no schematic, the model number was bleached out to be unreadable, I was lost and I knew it. One quick prayer Brother, Lord...help. What should I do here? Jump out the thermostat Edward He said...and it came on fine. Boom. All they needed was a new thermostat, which I had so I was able to get them heat.
When I was a kid and in school, I realized that they were not teaching me anything worthwhile. I remember playing hooky to stay home and read on my own to learn more. I wasn't playing hooky from my education, just from school. And I did learn more than the school would have taught me. Of course I pursued the wrong things because I was not saved or walking with the Lord yet, but the principle is there. I am more self taught than schooled. Now that I walk with the Lord, I understand that...if Adam and Eve had never fell, hospitals and universities would never have become invented. See what I mean Brother?

So in my mind, Brother Brock has his head in the right place on this. That doesn't mean go to seminary either, because they will teach you how to run a church and a program, rather than seeking God personally and being taught and led by the Holy Spirit.

Or so it seems to me...
 
i just wish my teachers was not so stupid and i was so smart

I hear ya' Brother. I do remember being taught critical thinking in school though! That is certainly a thing of the past now, but it was probably something that the teacher them self came up with and not part of the regular curriculum.
 
To be clear, I am not anti-education. I also respect doctors and their knowledge. But scripture says to not lean upon our own understanding. To pursue knowing God first and foremost. If one did that, then he would not need any earthly education. He would be close enough to God that in any situation whatsoever he could handle it, nay not him but God through him. Whether it be healing, or making a gadget work. Whatever is needed. I feel that if one pursues a college education that...there's almost no way that he could come out of it with any faith in God.

The Lord has helped me at work, when I walked up to a unit that I was unfamiliar with. I opened that control panel on a roof top unit...and it had a bank of computer boards on it! Like 15 or 20 of them. And it was an old unit that had no schematic, the model number was bleached out to be unreadable, I was lost and I knew it. One quick prayer Brother, Lord...help. What should I do here? Jump out the thermostat Edward He said...and it came on fine. Boom. All they needed was a new thermostat, which I had so I was able to get them heat.
When I was a kid and in school, I realized that they were not teaching me anything worthwhile. I remember playing hooky to stay home and read on my own to learn more. I wasn't playing hooky from my education, just from school. And I did learn more than the school would have taught me. Of course I pursued the wrong things because I was not saved or walking with the Lord yet, but the principle is there. I am more self taught than schooled. Now that I walk with the Lord, I understand that...if Adam and Eve had never fell, hospitals and universities would never have become invented. See what I mean Brother?

So in my mind, Brother Brock has his head in the right place on this. That doesn't mean go to seminary either, because they will teach you how to run a church and a program, rather than seeking God personally and being taught and led by the Holy Spirit.

Or so it seems to me...
Your not adressing what I rebutted.I was talking ,as I have,asking God what I was to do to earn money.

High school gives you the basics.WIP mentioned that well.but the bible isn't a hvac,anatomy, engineering manual etc.

Plan now or regret later.I know that life will change things.you can't assume we are not created with leanings, inclinations only we have and others dont.

Mine woukd be history, photography, with a leaning of logical thought to liking science. Those are not sinful .school will help one find that .
I have seen both with the seminary argument ,and against ..that's not going to convince seminary are bad,those lexicons you love are from that .

Strong's concordance,etc are from people who wanted to know,share their knowledge.

Charter schools here offering nursing degrees.they then have to take the internship plus test and are nurses not long after high school.

Would you suggest Brock not attend those?
 
So a.person who has no knowledge of the anatomy,should just pray,first then cut you open ,without any experience, training at all?

Edward it's not like you had no knowledge of that hvac.I'm talking total ignorance .hvac wouldn't exist without men dreaming of a solution,trying them ,perfecting them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carrier

Unless I hear otherwise,this man was a believer .imagine that.

The puritan's created yale,harvard,William and Mary to educate ,in order to study the word. Yet they taught more then just the bible there. Sadly those went south.

Puritan's didn't celebrate xmas,easter no,pagan holidays, used the bible to teach the letters.
 
Charter schools here offering nursing degrees.they then have to take the internship plus test and are nurses not long after high school.

Would you suggest Brock not attend those?
i suggest any thing that will get you a education nursing is wide open .. we have a friend that is a nurse finishing up to become aa a gen nurse practitioner..she had a degree in delivering babies
 
Your not adressing what I rebutted.I was talking ,as I have,asking God what I was to do to earn money.

High school gives you the basics.WIP mentioned that well.but the bible isn't a hvac,anatomy, engineering manual etc.

Plan now or regret later.I know that life will change things.you can't assume we are not created with leanings, inclinations only we have and others dont.

Mine woukd be history, photography, with a leaning of logical thought to liking science. Those are not sinful .school will help one find that .
I have seen both with the seminary argument ,and against ..that's not going to convince seminary are bad,those lexicons you love are from that .

Strong's concordance,etc are from people who wanted to know,share their knowledge.

Charter schools here offering nursing degrees.they then have to take the internship plus test and are nurses not long after high school.

Would you suggest Brock not attend those?

Hmm. Uh, Touche, Brother! Good answer. Scripture does say a man should work, and work means you do have to know what you're doing. I think that you're right. Brother Brock is lucky. He is walking with the Lord at a young age. If he were to pursue a professional education, and pray pray pray all the way through it, walking with the Lord to school, prayng for discernment and being able to rightly divide the good educational meat from the political fluff...he could come out of it with faith and a strengthened walk with the Lord. With God, all things are possible.

I don't really know what he is interested in. I think one should pursure their interests, what the desires of their heart are, for the Lord put those there. I figured early on that, I should learn everything about something...and something about everything. To be master of something, and versatile. I already saw at a young age that the economy was fragile and had it's ups and downs. So my plan was to do something that would always keep me in work.

In a bad economy, who is still working, and who is being laid off? In my trade (HVAC), there are installers, and service men. Same thing with plumbers and so forth. When the economy gets worse, people stop building and replacing. They start patching it up rather than replacing the stuff. So the service men will never be out of work. The installers will be laid off and out of work. Installing is not bad, it is a good way to get into the trade and learn while you earn. But most installers cant fix them if there is a problem.

I've heard of lots of college grads being out of work or can't find a job in their chosen field. Working fast food when they're educated in...I dunno, some obscure profession which pays very well when the economy is good, but...it is not and will get worse. Keep that stuff in mind Brock. Choose something that will keep you in work even when it gets bad

Maybe a technical trade school would be better than a college?
 
Maybe a technical trade school would be better than a college
you probably seen this my son did tech trade only to find out .they wanted .B.A degree with experience. its a tough world i ahve a bro n law thought he would work for him self. quit driving a truck .making good money if he had no run as long as he called in he got paid. decided drive for him self bought his own truck that truck wasnt what he needed.. sssooooooooo he bought another truck. he is ready to quit try sell his trucks .get a job . when i was in school my high school years. if you went to a trade class they helped find you a part time job with your skill . with options to hire after you graduate . my son got his assoc degree ended up working on a farm now a factory .
 
i suggest any thing that will get you a education nursing is wide open .. we have a friend that is a nurse finishing up to become aa a gen nurse practitioner..she had a degree in delivering babies
Florida has a hard time getting a license if you are out work as a nurse,lpn,cpn,np,you are lazy.
 
So a.person who has no knowledge of the anatomy,should just pray,first then cut you open ,without any experience, training at all?

Edward it's not like you had no knowledge of that hvac.I'm talking total ignorance .hvac wouldn't exist without men dreaming of a solution,trying them ,perfecting them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carrier

Unless I hear otherwise,this man was a believer .imagine that.

The puritan's created yale,harvard,William and Mary to educate ,in order to study the word. Yet they taught more then just the bible there. Sadly those went south.

Puritan's didn't celebrate xmas,easter no,pagan holidays, used the bible to teach the letters.

Oh come on Brother, I didn't say that! I said healing (through God) but not cutting people open with no knowledge of anatomy.

I didn't go to a trade school or training to learn HVAC. I learned it on the job. Under pressure, the customer standing behind me, me on my cell phone asking the boss what to test, lol. The hard way. But! When that NATE certification came out and I failed it, I did pick up a book. Modern Refrigeration and Air Conditioning, and studied my weak areas. Then I retested, and failed it again! Then I studied harder for two weeks before the test and crammed the night before, and passed. I admit, that did make me a better tech.

But before that I was working for a big company and they hired a bunch of young grads out of the tech school. Sitting at the tech table and talking, these kids talked circles around me! They lost me. I said, huh? are we in the same trade?! I was one of that company's top techs, and these kids were losing me with technical talk. But a couple days later, they put one of them kids on my truck as a helper. These kids were the grads with the best grades in the tech school, but none of them had any field experience. This kid who had lost me with the talk...was lost on the jobsite. He had no clue. He was coming to me every 4 or 5 minutes, what now? It wasn't like this in the school lab...So I did my best to teach him to think on his feet.

But when I had to learn some of that theory and tech stuff, it absolutely did make me a better tech. Now I have a clue of why, instead of just how to test power in power out and change components. Knowing that stuff is good. But it didn't replace field experience...

If I was Brock, I would go to some kind of tech school, but also get a job somewhere at the same time and ride helper to start getting field experience too. When the mark of the beast shows up, uh, there's going to be quite a few people needing to get things fixed and not through normal channels and procedures. So being able to make things work will be a big plus and keep him working, and he will be able to help people. (I love helping people!)

Yes sir, Brother...good answer! Lol.
 
i suggest any thing that will get you a education nursing is wide open .. we have a friend that is a nurse finishing up to become aa a gen nurse practitioner..she had a degree in delivering babies

Yeah. Nurses make very good money. But those MCATS are very very hard is what I hear. You have to have an aptitude for it to even get in is how I understand it.
 
you probably seen this my son did tech trade only to find out .they wanted .B.A degree with experience. its a tough world i ahve a bro n law thought he would work for him self. quit driving a truck .making good money if he had no run as long as he called in he got paid. decided drive for him self bought his own truck that truck wasnt what he needed.. sssooooooooo he bought another truck. he is ready to quit try sell his trucks .get a job . when i was in school my high school years. if you went to a trade class they helped find you a part time job with your skill . with options to hire after you graduate . my son got his assoc degree ended up working on a farm now a factory .

A BA degree? For what kind of tech trade?

See Brock? Choose wisely little Brother. Examine the desires of your heart and what you like...and then pray a lot about it. If you choose wrong, you could still be out of work and have a bunch of student loans debt.

Learn everything aabout something...and something about everything. You must be versatile.

I am versatile, and it has kept me from being the one laid off before. Because Ed can do the HVAC and plumbing, and some electrical...So trhe other guy got laid off and not me.

Plus, my dad taught me a long time ago...that even a bad business is better than a good job. After 30 years of self employment, I totally agree with him. So try to work towards going into business for yourself. Don't worry about not knowing it all before you start. We do not learn so that we can do something...we do something so that we can learn. Whatever it is, take it one job at a time, and work through it. There is tech help, there is programs where retired tech people work with new business owners to guide them the right direction. I almost hooked up with one of them but did not and things still worked out.
 
So a.person who has no knowledge of the anatomy,should just pray,first then cut you open ,without any experience, training at all?

Edward it's not like you had no knowledge of that hvac.I'm talking total ignorance .hvac wouldn't exist without men dreaming of a solution,trying them ,perfecting them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Carrier

Unless I hear otherwise,this man was a believer .imagine that.

The puritan's created yale,harvard,William and Mary to educate ,in order to study the word. Yet they taught more then just the bible there. Sadly those went south.

Puritan's didn't celebrate xmas,easter no,pagan holidays, used the bible to teach the letters.

Carrier was the man. I have a lot of respect for him and they do make some pretty darn good equipment. I'm not fond of their super top of the line stuff because it is getting too many features which ultimately makes it less reliable than the not top of the line units.

Trivia question!: WHat was the very first air conditioned structure in the United States?


The White House.
From what i understand, Carrier equipment is all that our government uses. On all of the military stuff too. The fighter jets, ships, even the space shuttle...all Carrier equipment.
 
A BA degree? For what kind of tech trade?
net work admin he would be able to walk into any office with lots computers make them work together repair wiring issues. basically have full control over the network even at that the pay was not much over 13.00 a hour .he would have to move to a area where cost of living would eat his check
 
net work admin he would be able to walk into any office with lots computers make them work together repair wiring issues. basically have full control over the network even at that the pay was not much over 13.00 a hour .he would have to move to a area where cost of living would eat his check
It's not surprising as I see that type stuff here. Degrees,even hvac with experience only paying 16 per hour .that's not much
 
It's not surprising as I see that type stuff here. Degrees,even hvac with experience only paying 16 per hour .that's not much
16 a hour is good money gross pay 640.00 taxes etc eats it up . the conclusion i see is the better money everyone makes . the cost of living goes up rent property value/loan payments look at new truck price start at 40 thousand .out of that 640.00 you need insurance health eye dental/life . in reality we need 20.00 buck on the hour . yes brock needs his education . myself i prefer the tech classes teach how it works how to repair it . my son had do English all over for net work admin.. its a big cycle there are good paying jobs.. but you have to be top of your game good g.p.a just to be considered .for the education of the class . a young lady i know holds a degree as a chemist ..works at a school teaching elementary class
 
net work admin he would be able to walk into any office with lots computers make them work together repair wiring issues. basically have full control over the network even at that the pay was not much over 13.00 a hour .he would have to move to a area where cost of living would eat his check

Ohh, I see. That's what my sister was before she passed away. She was a hardware tech, software tech, systems analyst and systems engineer. She was highly schooled in it and highly skilled...
She still had to move to Okinawa to get her a good job.
 
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