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1 Corinthians 5 needs to be examined in it's entirety or you will lose the real meaning of what it is saying.

1Cor.5

[1] It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
[2] And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
[3] For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
[4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
[5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
[6] Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
[7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
[8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
[9] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[10] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
[12] For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
[13] But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


In 1 Corinthians 5 Christians are being addressed. Look carefully on verses 9-11 especially verse 11:

[9] I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
[10] Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
[11] But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


The bible clearly states that if a brother (a fellow Christian) is fornicating and commiting certain acts you must not keep company with him. He was not referring to non Christians but Christians.

Nothing is wrong with Christians having non Christians friends as friends. As a matter of fact I think it is awesome. Jesus Christ ate with "sinners" and loved them more than anything else. I have seen Christians acting as if they are better than non Christians because they think that because they are Christians they are too good to associate with non Christians.

I am a Christian by the way.


Matthew 22 verses 35-40:

[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

2 Thessalonians 3 verses 6-15:

[6] Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
[7] For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
[8] Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
[9] Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
[12] Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
[13] But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
[14] And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
[15] Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
 
Most of me mates are non-religeous.

But they're okay, to be honest, I often try to answer their questions about Christianity.

However i still like my mates, even if non-religeous to have some kind of moral code.

Ive long distanced meself from my mates who were trouble makers.
 
Lewis W said:
Like when he mad up a revelation to take his, stepson's wife, to be his wife
Adopted son. His name was Zaid and his wife's name was Zainab. This act of Muhammad's is why adoption has many weird rules in Islam - like the adopted child must keep his own last name, they have no right to inherit property etc...

But you're absolutely correct! This is one example of something the majority of Muslims know NOTHING about - it's a brilliant thing to bring up - especially since there are no 'ready apologetics' for it, since the scholars and experts do their utmost to keep it hidden (because it's inexcusable).

Lewis W said:
,and molesting little Ayisha,who was 8 years old and still playing with dolls, at that time.
Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 & consummated his marriage with her when she was 9 (Muhammad was 51 & 54).

This is another good thing to bring up, but you should also couple it with the fact that Pedophilia is allowed in the Quran, because there are (ridiculous!) apologetics to 'excuse' this - none of which actually hold up to scrutiny. If you can show that god endorses such disgusting behaviour too (Quran), then you can show it was not just for Muhammad only (apologetics), that Aisha didn't 'have to be ' older than 9 (apologetic), etc..

I find that another good topic to bring up is the Satanic verses - which most Muslims also have no idea about, since their usual to answer to Salman Rushdie is that his book is "all lies" - but that is because they don't know that Muhammad and Allah admitted that Muhammad could not tell the difference between revelation from Allah & Satan.
 
Hello, in answer to the original question, of course Christians can be true friends with anyone, being Christian does not put us on any moral high ground, IMO, being Christian is about our personal relationship with Jesus, there are so many wonderful people in the world with very high morals and beautiful attitudes to others, from all religions and none.

I shall say this quietly There are also a few Christians who could learn a thing or two from them

Aint people wonderful :)
 
I have just read this thread more closely,, and oh dear oh dear,,,, I have recently removed myself from a Christian parents forum,, due to

ang on,,, not muslim,,, Christian parents


Child abuse,,, a child as young as 3 waiting for 2 days for his father to come home to beat him for having an accident in his pants,,, and only 10 whacks,,, unless he cries of course, then he gets more.... I wonder what the wife got for allowing it to happen......and the whole forum agreed,, to spare the rod etc !!!!

there are extremes,,, we cannot focus on them they are far to damaging to any religion.
 
canny said:
I have just read this thread more closely,, and oh dear oh dear,,,, I have recently removed myself from a Christian parents forum,, due to

ang on,,, not muslim,,, Christian parents


Child abuse,,, a child as young as 3 waiting for 2 days for his father to come home to beat him for having an accident in his pants,,, and only 10 whacks,,, unless he cries of course, then he gets more.... I wonder what the wife got for allowing it to happen......and the whole forum agreed,, to spare the rod etc !!!!

there are extremes,,, we cannot focus on them they are far to damaging to any religion.

Who's speaking of extremes? As I have already stated, wife-beating, child-abuse and anti-Semitism is rampant among those whom people label as “Moderateâ€Â. Are we supposed to “not focus†(which really means ignore) this due to a few abusive Christian parents?
 
canny said:
No, we can focus,,, but not promote hate of a whole religion

and its rampant in Christianity too.

What you are doing is called "tu quoque", its the dhimwits best friend. It would not matter if there weren't, but there is a huge difference between Christianity & Islam; all those things are explicitly encouraged in Islamic scripture. And we are not encouraging "hate", its called ridding wilful ignorance.
 
Gabe said:
canny said:
No, we can focus,,, but not promote hate of a whole religion

and its rampant in Christianity too.

What you are doing is called "tu quoque", its the dhimmits best friend. It would not matter if there weren't, but there is a huge difference between Christianity & Islam; all those things are explicitly encouraged in Islamic scripture. And we are not encouraging "hate", its called ridding wilful ignorance.
Glad, Gabe u and Sanitaium understand islam, i know a lot about islam ,but u two now far more and first hand.

Jason
 
jasoncran said:
Glad, Gabe u and Sanitaium understand islam, i know a lot about islam ,but u two now far more and first hand.

Jason

Thank you, Jason. Canny and some of our other members remind me of when I was in High School (3rd year). Almost got myself suspended. The Head-teacher dragged me into his office and I pleaded with him to not suspend me as my father would beat me. I explained the sort of beating I could expect; with metal bars, curtain wires etc and he decided to give me another chance. Was this an act of kindness? not really, he completely failed in upholding his duty by not informing social workers of the abuse I were suffering. But I suppose he can be forgiven, After all, I was only a Muslim child. Its pretty ironic that it is us who are accused of spreading hate, when it is people like Canny who allow the suffering of innocent women and children to go unnoticed.
 
"people like Canny" Gabe. Allow things to go unnoticed,,,, do I ?

Your assessment is a little off the mark.
 
canny said:
"people like Canny" Gabe. Allow things to go unnoticed,,,, do I ?

Your assessment is a little off the mark.

Possibly, but my assessment of you (in regards to abuse among Muslims) is accurate as far as this thread is concerned.
 
I am not commenting on abuse among muslims,, I found plenty of that, I commented on abuse among Christians, since abuse was already brought up. You may well know a great deal, and your personal experiences have obviously influenced you rather strongly,,,

I think we are way off topic anyway....
 
canny said:
I am not commenting on abuse among muslims,, I found plenty of that, I commented on abuse among Christians, since abuse was already brought up....

What an absolute load of rubbish.

You were attempting a "tu quoque" defence of abuse in Islam, which was meant to make our other members think “awww. We're guilty of abuse, so who are we to point the finger?†I've come across this morally vacuous argument many times before, and it makes me just as sick as it always has. And to top it all off, you then go on to accuse us of “spreading hate.â€Â

canny said:
I think we are way off topic anyway....

canny said:
I have just read this thread more closely,, and oh dear oh dear,,,, I have recently removed myself from a Christian parents forum,, due to

ang on,,, not muslim,,, Christian parents


Child abuse,,, a child as young as 3 waiting for 2 days for his father to come home to beat him for having an accident in his pants,,, and only 10 whacks,,, unless he cries of course, then he gets more.... I wonder what the wife got for allowing it to happen......and the whole forum agreed,, to spare the rod etc !!!!

there are extremes,,, we cannot focus on them they are far to damaging to any religion.

LOL.
 
The Pharisees had a problem with Jesus being a friend to sinners:

They murmured: "This man receives sinners and eats with them." Luke 15:2

Jesus responded by telling them the parable of the lost sheep. He finished the parable with these words:

"I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance."

Of course there is no such thing as a righteous person who needs no repentance. This was a bit of sarcasm which Jesus used with the Pharisees. For they thought they were righteous and needed no repentance!
 
Gabe said:
canny said:
I am not commenting on abuse among muslims,, I found plenty of that, I commented on abuse among Christians, since abuse was already brought up....

What an absolute load of rubbish.

You were attempting a "tu quoque" defence of abuse in Islam, which was meant to make our other members think “awww. We're guilty of abuse, so who are we to point the finger?†I've come across this morally vacuous argument many times before, and it makes me just as sick as it always has. And to top it all off, you then go on to accuse us of “spreading hate.â€Â

canny said:
I think we are way off topic anyway....

canny said:
I have just read this thread more closely,, and oh dear oh dear,,,, I have recently removed myself from a Christian parents forum,, due to

ang on,,, not muslim,,, Christian parents


Child abuse,,, a child as young as 3 waiting for 2 days for his father to come home to beat him for having an accident in his pants,,, and only 10 whacks,,, unless he cries of course, then he gets more.... I wonder what the wife got for allowing it to happen......and the whole forum agreed,, to spare the rod etc !!!!

there are extremes,,, we cannot focus on them they are far to damaging to any religion.

LOL.

Glad you had a laff,,,
 
canny said:
Hello, in answer to the original question, of course Christians can be true friends with anyone, being Christian does not put us on any moral high ground, IMO, being Christian is about our personal relationship with Jesus, there are so many wonderful people in the world with very high morals and beautiful attitudes to others, from all religions and none.

I shall say this quietly There are also a few Christians who could learn a thing or two from them

Aint people wonderful :)

the original post, which still stands
 
canny said:
Gabe said:
canny said:
I am not commenting on abuse among muslims,, I found plenty of that, I commented on abuse among Christians, since abuse was already brought up....

What an absolute load of rubbish.

You were attempting a "tu quoque" defence of abuse in Islam, which was meant to make our other members think “awww. We're guilty of abuse, so who are we to point the finger?†I've come across this morally vacuous argument many times before, and it makes me just as sick as it always has. And to top it all off, you then go on to accuse us of “spreading hate.â€Â

canny said:
I think we are way off topic anyway....

canny said:
I have just read this thread more closely,, and oh dear oh dear,,,, I have recently removed myself from a Christian parents forum,, due to

ang on,,, not muslim,,, Christian parents


Child abuse,,, a child as young as 3 waiting for 2 days for his father to come home to beat him for having an accident in his pants,,, and only 10 whacks,,, unless he cries of course, then he gets more.... I wonder what the wife got for allowing it to happen......and the whole forum agreed,, to spare the rod etc !!!!

there are extremes,,, we cannot focus on them they are far to damaging to any religion.

LOL.

Glad you had a laff,,,

What's this? You're not going to lie again and deny your pathetic attempt at defending anti-Semitism and violence against women and children in Islam? Instead I see that you have spread your accusations against me to this thread: Ello ello ello
 
1 Timothy 2:8
I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.
 
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