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Should Christians Have Guns?

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Lewis

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This is a good article, the article below is not my words, but I love it.



In my research on firearms, I came across a pro-gun-law blogger, “dtb”, who clings to his (note: I don’t know the blogger’s gender) position that guns are designed to kill and thus the gun manufacturers should be held liable for any harm caused by the use of the products they create. We’re talking liability for properly functioning guns not defective guns that harm their shooters.
The obvious intent of this scheme is to create a target for gunshot victims (even those who were shot while committing crimes) and their families to sue and to try to litigate the firearms industry into extinction.
While the purpose of guns (to kill) may (or may not be) a valid point in favor of the gun-banners, this particular blogger seems to miss the point that criminals, by definition, don’t respect laws and they are armed. I’ll take up this liability issue at a later date…
The Christian Responsibility to Bear and Defend | Right to Bear Arms | Second Amendment Activism | Right to Bear Arms | Second Amendment Activism

I wrote this post after reading many of the comments that people have made in response to dtb’s silly statements. These responses have been quite enlightening (for instance, I’ve learned a bit about bullets designed to injure rather than kill enemy soldiers because wounded people drain resources).
Now, let’s get to the heart of the matter. The activity in question was the sponsorship, by a church, of an event that included a firearm giveaway. The accepted view by many Christians is that you should not fight (love your enemies, turn the other cheek…) but one interesting responder quoted Luke 22:36.
I pause here to underline the fact that you can pull Bible quotes out of context to support just about any idea that you have. I have strong opinions that are contrary to the popular teachings about the Biblical view of violence. Essentially, I believe that the humanly manufactured role of “pacifist Christian” is based on Biblical selections and ignores much, if not most, of what is in The Book. Further, it creates victims and hurts the society. I intend to fully investigate the subject and write about it in the future. However, the comment that sparked this posting was interesting enough for me to share it now – even before my deeper study.
I will give you a little more than just verse 36 for the purpose of better understanding the context and then I will paste the comment:
The Biblical Reference
verse 35
And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”
So they said, “Nothing.”
verse 36
Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
verse 37
For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”
verse 38
So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”
And He said to them, “It is enough.”
The Comment
Since others have brought up the Christian aspect of it, I feel it appropriate to respond:
Christ DID exhort his Disciples to buy an “assault weapon”. The Sword was the “assault weapon” of the day.
Reading the entire story in context, it becomes apparent that His point was that He was soon going to be departing for His Heavenly home…while He had been on earth, His disciples had wanted for nothing. Money, food, protection, etc were provided for them. He was basically telling them “I’m not going to be around for much longer so you’d better be prepared to take care of yourselves.” Among the preparations to be made was the obtaining of at least a minimal number of weapons with which to effect their self defense.
Regarding the command to “turn the other cheek”: You are aware that the slapping of a cheek is an insult, not a deadly threat? He was not condemning self-defense in that passage, He was saying don’t respond to insults with anger or violence. There is significant difference between not responding to an insult with anger, and refusing to defend the life that is a gift from God.
Some would contend that Christians have a responsibility to defend their own lives and those of the innocent from violent predators by whatever means necessary.
And that doesn’t even address the the obvious question that the “Christians must be non-violent” argument elicits: Does that mean that Christians are precluded from careers in Law Enforcement or the Military? How can a Police Officer uphold a Christian faith that views all violence as sinful?
An interesting argument indeed…but it, unfortunately, has nothing at all to do with the story in question. Punching holes in a piece of paper from 100 yards away is not an act of violence by any stretch of the imagination.
I’d laugh if it wasn’t true… : Delaware Liberal
The bottom line is that resisting evil is a Christian’s duty as criminals are controlled by the Evil One. Christ has already given His life for the criminal – should the criminal choose to accept the gift and repent.
Thus, it is not the Christian’s role to also lay down his life for the attacker. The Christian has responsibilities to protect and provide for his/her family and community and it is hard to do that when you are dead. Not only should the Christian live in a way that promotes good health, he/she should defend that life and health when attacked and teach others to do the same.
This point — self-defense — brings me to the mind of our nation’s Founding Fathers. Is it not fair to say that they were not looking for a fight? They had tolerated much abuse. But the day came when the abuse was no longer tolerable and they fought back. Their fight, the Revolutionary War, has lead to the unprecedented freedom that you and I enjoy today. Many around the world have enjoyed residual blessings because of what happened in our nation over 200 years ago.
Is our definition and implementation of freedom perfect? Not a chance. But it is much better than any man-made system that had existed prior.
In conclusion, self-defense against an individual or a government is an inalienable right (maybe we need to amend the Constitution so that people like Sonia Sotomayor will recognize it) and the Second Amendment assures the means for effective self-defense. Inalienable rights are those granted by God and therefore apply to Christians.
The next time a gunman (or woman) enters a church looking to slaughter lambs, I pray that the local shepherd (pastor) pulls his sidearm, steps up to the criminal like David to a lion, and puts him out of his misery first.
http://righttobear.org/276/the-christian-responsibility-to-bear-and-defend/
 
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lol,put him out of his misery first.

nice.

oh boy, you love stiring the pot. you passive agigator!

i one of those as well. just ask my new chaplain :)

if i'm bored and i can txt you i may start a debate,lol

seriously, i cant buy a gun because of my wifes mental health.

but i see no reason why others cant

however one shouldnt own a gun if you have a drinking problem, anger issues,and or mentally unstable

and lewis is that non lethal bullet?? a non lethal round as paint ball, bean bullet?sand bag and also pepper rounds
 
God

Guns

Guts

... the the courage and knowledge to use all three made this Christian country great.



Or, to quote Harry Callahan, "Nothing wrong with killing, provided the right people get killed".




Pizzaguy
(if I'm not controversial, what good am I?)
 
Jason is that by law that you can't buy one because of her, or is that a safe choice that you made ? And I don't know if they are paint balls or what man. But who on this board meaning the Christians on this uphold the 2nd Amendment, The right To Bare Arms ?
 
God

Guns

Guts

... the the courage and knowledge to use all three made this Christian country great.



Or, to quote Harry Callahan, "Nothing wrong with killing, provided the right people get killed".




Pizzaguy
(if I'm not controversial, what good am I?)

that would make a good siggy.

darn it.
 
The next time a gunman (or woman) enters a church looking to slaughter lambs, I pray that the local shepherd (pastor) pulls his sidearm, steps up to the criminal like David to a lion, and puts him out of his misery first.
Lewis, I'm not sure if the words above are yours or belonged in the article, but all I can add is ---"AMEN"---
Should Christians have guns? I vote YES. Is this a poll? :lol
Westtexas
 
It's amazing how it is that any time I hear an argument against firearms those that oppose them ultimately point their fingers at the gun as the source of the problem. Funny thing is, when you put reality into the equation by pointing out how our love, the automobile, is by a matter of record far more dangerous than guns have ever been, they close their ears and their minds.

The source of the problem is not the steel, powder, and lead. It is the person that is using it.

Place a loaded gun, sword, and a pillow on a table and which one is the most dangerous? Neither. They are only inanimate objects on a table.
 
Lewis, I'm not sure if the words above are yours or belonged in the article, but all I can add is ---"AMEN"---
Should Christians have guns? I vote YES. Is this a poll? :lol
Westtexas
Those are not my words but I am with it.:thumbsup
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guns are designed to kill and thus the gun manufacturers should be held liable for any harm caused by the use of the products they create.
I think I'm gonna hold Toshiba liable. This stupid computer keeps mis-spelling all the words I'm trying to write!
Westtexas
 
Guns for what? Target shooting. Sure.
 
sure

The bad guys kicked in our door his shotgun went off in the ceiling. our gun was unloaded so they got away.... Always been glad DH didn't have to kill someone but often wonder how many those bad guys got before they were cought.if they ever were.
 
Jason is that by law that you can't buy one because of her, or is that a safe choice that you made ? And I don't know if they are paint balls or what man. But who on this board meaning the Christians on this uphold the 2nd Amendment, The right To Bare Arms ?

both, any person who has a history of psychosis. shall not own a firearm.

there's a registry that those persons are entered into.

i asked my wife's doc on that.
 
My bible reference for a Christian to be armed, is the betrayal of Jesus,
Jesus's trusted friends had swords. Swords are worthless if you do not use them, so it must be assumed that Jesus accepted an armed people, and the ability to defend oneself if needed.
He asked his people to give without complaint, even giving the thief more then he wanted to take, but he did not disarm his followers.

Jason is that by law that you can't buy one because of her, or is that a safe choice that you made ? And I don't know if they are paint balls or what man. But who on this board meaning the Christians on this uphold the 2nd Amendment, The right To Bare Arms ?

Our military uses solid ammo, the bullet is more likely to hit and go through a person than stop inside. Police use expanding bullets(war crime for military to use) to prevent the bullets from exiting the target and possibly hurting someone behind the target.
What is expanding bullets? Soft material bullets that when hit an object tend to mushroom, causing a bigger whole, and larger transfer of energy, more damage, and more likely to stay inside a body.
They have been working on less lethal ammo, but in traditional guns I don't believe they have anything that would stop a criminal from violence quickly, but not kill him/her. I believe the goal is to hit the target hard enough to stun them, but not penetrate the body, thus less likely to kill the person.
 
As with all of life, the Christian is to be the most responsible. Shoot a misdeamer criminal to kill?? That could be a 'good or bad' split second judgement! But one that you could have to live with or die with! And execute because 'Government' says so? That is a Christian's 'God First' decision to make also!

But one thing is for certain and that is that a gun is not the killer. If one hates? they are already a murderer in God's sight. So MOTIVE of the singular person, is the bottom/line answer to the question title here, as 'i' see it. And then we see murder or justified execution by God. This is quite an involved question, but in bottom/line 'i' see no real problem with [responsible] Christian gun owners. The problem as I see it is.. who is a responsible Christian???

Here below is my take on this in an old post that is slightly altered as seen for a type of an analogy. .. (should Christians use spiritual Bibical Guns with all 66 Books & Bullets to save the lost? What can & will be outlawed before long?)
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Case in point:
Lets say that you love this kid of 12! (perhaps most professed Christians?) With Real Genuine Love. And you have a decision to make. The two of you are rabbit hunting in the mountains & the kid takes off chasing a rabbit! (a false gospel) Well, it just so happens that you are mature in age, and you have hunted on 'this mountain top' for years, and you yell at the kid (maybe in caps, huh? ) that there is serious danger ahead. But the boy 'is excited' & won't hear you, (*ALL kinds of 'winds' of doctrine, + emotion & stuff!) and is by now nearly at the edge of the 300ft. drop-off! (Revelation's last day!)

OK: And I am a perfect shot with my Marlin 22 rifle. (off the 'milk' of Heb. 5 & on the 'meat' of Heb. 6) And the boy is going to die if I do nothing! (in the spiritual sense it would mean his last chance or the closed door of probation, the second Eternal death of Obadiah 1:16's DECISION!) Yet, what can I do? What are you thinking!!??? (But remember.. NO Guns, No Bible, ONLY Ceasar's Rom. 13's LAW, not God's FREEDOM OF Religion! ! 666!)

What would everyone say about me doing that? You know, don't rock the boat, or the wheat & the 'open sinners' all grow together! or you have a hate message! And if you loved him, you surely would not tell him of his nearness to eternal death! Not only that, but one might say.. do not judge me! er' him!! Maybe even a mod might step in saying that your are breaking the rules?? (Ezekiel 18:24) Or.. God will intervene & save him, you just got to leave it in His hands!! Or, that is not your job to worry about this, it is between him & God! (and & on the forums go)

OK: so I let the kid that I love just finish it off, huh?
Well folks, that is not my kind of LOVE! (see Revelation 3:16-17 for this 'SICK' SPEWED OUT BY CHRIST stuff!)

I would shoot the little rascal in the foot & then most likely tan his rear end for even running off to read 'blanks' old theology that originated in heavens rebellion! And 'blank'?? he knows better himself, it is 'you' that concerns me now! You are as Eve, presumptuously going on the devil's forbidden ground to learn of his slimy snaky kind of [covenant]. God/Forbid! (check out David in Psalms 19:13)

Yea, I know, most of todays Professed Christian's do not even have any 'spiritual' bullets in [their mind] for the war! (Hebrews 10:15-16 & Hebrews 8:10) Instead of 'living by every Word of God' they just read the N.T. & do not even 'live by that'! See Ezekiel 37:1-4 for now & then verse 7-10 latter.

--Elijah



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